Toast Round 2 = Collingwood 100-58 Adelaide

[Mollythedolly]

We are def more appealing to the eye.

Shame Tyler Brown not up to it...I wish he was

Go pies

Had some moments but needs to do more. Maynard will come straight back and T Brown looms as the obvious out at this stage.

 

[Toecrusher]

New nickname

The arseh*le

He rips them apart

Nah, can't honestly see that catching on.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Keays is a pretty decent player. It's Matt Crouch that does zero damage. Nothing but an accumulator.

I’m not a Keays fan. Bit like Aaron Hall at the Roos. Players who more often than not dole out equal measures (or worse) of good and face-palm moments.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I thought Ginnivan and McCreery were great, Henry needs to lose the fumbles and miskicks but should be an OK player. Sidebottom looks to have become a much harder player than in previous years - he didn't seem to get a lot of possessions but was nevertheless a really effective player. It's a shame about Kruger, particularly given his early cult hero status. Noble once again proved his doubters wrong.

Brown should never get another AFL game. He is bereft of skill and hates to win a possession. Grundy was awful and a real contrast to the other million dollar long term contract man who played last night. He does SFA beyond the ruck contests.

Cameron showed enough when he came on to suggest he is the logical replacement rather than Cox if Kruger is out next week. In fact he can take Grundy's spot as far as i am concerned. I am sure he would at least be far more effective around the ground and would at least take as many marks in a quarter as Grundy does in a whole game.

 

[unplugged]

It won’t be AC, there was no AC mechanism there.

As I said I haven't seen it. But I'm grateful for your posts on these topics!

 

[Jasper84]

New nickname

The arseh*le

He rips them apart

Just going to sit back and wait for you to explain how that makes sense

 

[jmac70]

I thought Ginnivan and McCreery were great, Henry needs to lose the fumbles and miskicks but should be an OK player. Sidebottom looks to have become a much harder player than in previous years - he didn't seem to get a lot of possessions but was nevertheless a really effective player. It's a shame about Kruger, particularly given his early cult hero status. Noble once again proved his doubters wrong.

Brown should never get another AFL game. He is bereft of skill and hates to win a possession. Grundy was awful and a real contrast to the other million dollar long term contract man who played last night. He does SFA beyond the ruck contests.

Cameron showed enough when he came on to suggest he is the logical replacement rather than Cox if Kruger is out next week. In fact he can take Grundy's spot as far as i am concerned. I am sure he would at least be far more effective around the ground and would at least take as many marks in a quarter as Grundy does in a whole game.

I agree, Noble had a good game. No doubt the doubters will find fault.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Was sitting next to Pat Lipinski’s uncle who is a Carlton supporter.

Said he’s forcing himself slowly to support Patty and said he’s absolutely rapt with his time at Collingwood. Loving it at the Club.

Was great to hear

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I agree, Noble had a good game. No doubt the doubters will find fault.

For a slightly built bloke he shows courage and is a great link player.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I thought Ginnivan and McCreery were great, Henry needs to lose the fumbles and miskicks but should be an OK player. Sidebottom looks to have become a much harder player than in previous years - he didn't seem to get a lot of possessions but was nevertheless a really effective player. It's a shame about Kruger, particularly given his early cult hero status. Noble once again proved his doubters wrong.

Brown should never get another AFL game. He is bereft of skill and hates to win a possession. Grundy was awful and a real contrast to the other million dollar long term contract man who played last night. He does SFA beyond the ruck contests.

Cameron showed enough when he came on to suggest he is the logical replacement rather than Cox if Kruger is out next week. In fact he can take Grundy's spot as far as i am concerned. I am sure he would at least be far more effective around the ground and would at least take as many marks in a quarter as Grundy does in a whole game.

Seriously? Thought Grundy was okay. Game high 29 hit outs, 15 disposals, a couple of clearances, a goal, a game high 9 score involvements. And O’Brien is no mug. What more were you expecting?

 

[Mollythedolly]

I agree, Noble had a good game. No doubt the doubters will find fault.

I’m a doubter. Just about his best game for the club. Doesn’t diminish the doubts.

 

[Doc1763]

Seriously? Thought Grundy was okay. Game high 29 hit outs, 15 disposals, a couple of clearances, a goal, a game high 9 score involvements. And O’Brien is no mug. What more were you expecting?

I thought he was better today than last week, though his last quarter last week was huge.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Seriously? Thought Grundy was okay. Game high 29 hit outs, 15 disposals, a couple of clearances, a goal, a game high 9 score involvements. And O’Brien is no mug. What more were you expecting?

I barely saw him outside the ruck contest and didn't think he was particularly effective in the hit outs. He rarely takes a mark and many of his disposals are ineffective. I expect a hell of a lot more from him given he is on a million dollars a year for 7 years, and this is year 1 of that contract. If you are Ok with him breaking even or lowering his colours to lesser heralded ruckmen, fine. I reckon Cameron could return disposal figures as good as Grundy with many more marks around the ground, and he is not costing us two decent players a year in salary.

 

[DopeMaster]

I barely saw him outside the ruck contest and didn't think he was particularly effective in the hit outs. He rarely takes a mark and many of his disposals are ineffective. I expect a hell of a lot more from him given he is on a million dollars a year for 7 years, and this is year 1 of that contract. If you are Ok with him breaking even or lowering his colours to lesser heralded ruckmen, fine. I reckon Cameron could return disposal figures as good as Grundy with many more marks around the ground, and he is not costing us two decent players a year in salary.

Agree with this. If he hadn’t held the club ransom to a 7x1M deal he would be judged far less harshly. He’s not earning his money and castrating the teams cap simultaneously.

Playing OK-good games is just not enough. Especially as we’ve seen what he’s capable of, which is what that long-term deal was predicated on.

 

[JuniorB]

Better news is we've still got Reef, Roughie, Dean and Maynard yet to appear. Some real competition to be in the side. Harvey Harrison, Arlo Draper are also untouched potential. Looking forward to the VFL tomorrow. Should be so good.

I know Jen thinks Harrison & Draper show plenty to get excited about & she's seen more of these boys than basically all of us

 

[JuniorB]

McCreery seeks to intimidate - that not only wins the first contest but it leaves an impression on the mind of the beaten opponent and those that witness it.

Destroy the opponent in the first contest and you have that opponent halfway beaten before every succeeding contest.

Like last week when Brad Hill heard footsteps every time he got near the ball. McCreery is one of our new cult heroes only 2 weeks into the season. Keep it up young fella!

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Agree with this. If he hadn’t held the club ransom to a 7x1M deal he would be judged far less harshly. He’s not earning his money and castrating the teams cap simultaneously.

Playing OK-good games is just not enough. Especially as we’ve seen what he’s capable of, which is what that long-term deal was predicated on.

Exactly. If not for the money, he would not be judged so harshly for what are games that many AFL ruckmen would be capable of playing. He is not playing any where near as well as he did pre covid, when he was being talked up as a potential captain. Then came lockdown and hubs, producing a very ordinary season from Grundy which he put down to hub life not being conducive with him (as did Stephenson).

He no longer has the same impact following up the ruck contest, and this was his great strength along with the 20+ possessions a game which he regularly accumulated. He doesn't kick goals nor take more than a couple of marks, and many of his kicks are 'throw it on your boot and hope for the best' style disposals.

What is he going to be like in three years time at 30 yrs of age and not even half way through his contract?

If Grundy were to approach the club and say 'I know I am not the same player anymore that you signed up to 7x$1 million and would like to renegotiate my contract', I would judge him very differently. Last night, Buddy showed the football world what champion status and long term million dollar contracts are all about.

 

[jmac70]

I’m a doubter. Just about his best game for the club. Doesn’t diminish the doubts.

I’d say it helps. Few more like today and the doubters start to look foolish

 

[lyfsux]

Sidebottom looked cooked last year.

He's been one of our best players the last 2 weeks though. His chasing and tackling has been superb.

Give it time he'll crash and burn

 

[sr36]

Give it time he'll crash and burn

You think the 20 last year playing on the inside are a better indicator than the 240 before it - mainly on the outside?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Ok haven’t read the thread and just watched the game. I will be interested to compare my notes to those above

Bests
Noble. I didn’t know he could tackle that well. Or show that much skill
Crisp. Was everywhere
Pendlebury. A general
Elliott. A general
McCreenivan. Love them both
Sidebottom. In everything.

Special mentions
Moore. Had an easy job today
Madge. People are so unkind
Grundy. Four quarter effort
IQ. Plays with a lot of IQ
JDG. Just played a solid game without anything fancy
Kreuger. Terrible rucking but what a revelation forward. Hopefully shoulder isn’t bad. Will creat selection headaches

Poor
Henry. But what a star in the making
Brown. Straight out for Maynard next week

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I agree, Noble had a good game. No doubt the doubters will find fault.

Best on ground for me.

 

[Matrix10]

Seriously? Thought Grundy was okay. Game high 29 hit outs, 15 disposals, a couple of clearances, a goal, a game high 9 score involvements. And O’Brien is no mug. What more were you expecting?

He was expecting more bang for buck $$$ in return.way more , is what it is now , will never be anywhere near the value for what his ridiculously overinflated remuneration package he enjoys

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Fly's presser:

First time the club is 2-0 in nine years. What does that mean to you?

"I spoke to the players about repeating behaviours. We want to be consistent around those things so that was the message at the start of the game and at the end of the game, so we're starting to get some patterns on the way we want to play. The outcome is really pleasing so we're not going to shy away from that and we're really happy with the way the first two weeks have progressed for us".

What impressed you most about the performance today?

"There's many. The way we took territory was really pleasing. I think we were +1,000 metres in territory and won the inside 50 battle, which is just the way we want to play. I think if you come and watch us now you're starting to see a trend on how we want to play. The challenge as this game is really hard is to do it every week because the opposition tries to take things away from you. Watching the Crows and the way they went about it they tried to take a few things away from us which makes things harder, but I think territory is something we're really proud of".

Any word on the severity of Nathan Kreuger's injury?

"I think it's probably a little bit too early to tell. He will need to get a scan but I think he might have subluxed his shoulder so we'll work out what that looks like in the next couple of days".

How did you rate Kreuger's performance?

"He gives us a little bit of spunk doesn't he. He's got a bit of life in him. He's 100% in everything he does. He gives a good contest and he puts pressure on. It's probably unlikely he plays next week I assume, so we'll have to replace him obviously".

Will Mason Cox

46

Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

be potentially ready for next week's match or is it too early to tell?

"He was close. He did a little bit of training on Thursday and he was close. He's probably another watch and see. He's got a bit of a sore ankle so we'll just see how that pulls up in the next couple of days as well".

We don't often see key forwards like Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

being the sub. What was the thinking behind it?

"Yeah, I thought I might get a question on this one. We just thought we didn't have much height in the game and we had probably four players with a bit of height. We learnt some lessons against GWS in a practice game. We lost Kreuger that day funnily enough and we just looked really out of sorts. We thought 'let's just cover that' so the medical sub was the reason so let's just cover that in case one of our keys go down and funnily enough it did late in the game. It would have been interesting if it happened a little bit earlier".

Jack Ginnivan's response was pretty impressive after some criticism he received earlier this week?

"Jack is one of young players. We want to keep giving him time to keep improving and he's shown all over the pre-season that he's a player that wants to come forward with us. I'm not sure about the criticism, so it's up to others to decide whether it's right or wrong. We're just happy with the way he's playing at the moment".

The Crows came into the game with a high-possession style of play. What sort of message do you give to the players to deal with that?

"Our pressure is really strong and if you play against us at the moment that's one thing we're doing really well. The opposition will try to take it away and one way you can take it away is through uncontested possession and keep the game a little bit more open. We worked on it all week and we'll have to keep improving those parts of our game; that slower defence if you like because opposition will start to play a little bit more like that. I thought we did it okay after quarter time and I thought we really improved on that part".

The first two wins were against sides who didn't play finals last year. Next week is a big challenge against Geelong who are a genuine contender?

"This is the game isn't it. You can get comfortable for a little bit of time but we're obviously playing the Cats who didn't play that well last night but before that they were really explosive and had a lot of experience so it's another challenge. I think we're on a journey and I don't think we're defined by our first six weeks. We'll be defined by bigger than that and next week is an opportunity for us to challenge that against a really good opposition".

What was the reaction in the box when the sirens went off?

"That was quite weird wasn't it, I was calling it the reverse Buddy. I've never been to a stadium where that's happened before. I must admit there was all sorts of things going on and wondering what do we do and whether it was a false alarm and what was happening. It was quite a strange experience".

Did Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

have a migraine?

"Yeah, he had a migraine. We assessed him at 3QT and we were looking to sub him but we thought we would give him another 5 minutes and just see how he goes and just as he was coming off that was when Kreuger got injured at the same time".

Darcy Moore has great composure down back?

"I thought our backs were sensational to be honest. I thought all of them played really well as a collective. Darcy's contest in the air was outstanding, same with a few other guys, particularly when they started to come at us a little bit. He's a really handy player to have in your backline and that group is working really well together. Justin Leppitsch

Justin Leppitsch

Age

49

Ht

191cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

0.6

1star

T

1.0

3star

is doing an amazing job".

Do you hope a deal with Darcy [Moore] is done soon?

"I'm not going to talk about contracts".

Your impressions on Jordan De Goey

2

Jordan De Goey

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.1

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

2.3

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, particularly in the third quarter?

"Jordy is starting to really standout at centre bounces. He's becoming a real weapon for us, and particularly that third quarter was all around centre bounces and to get some territory from those things. He's a handy player to throw around centre bounces when we need him".

Press Conference: Craig McRae

Watch Craig's press conference after our round 2 clash against the Crows.

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He was expecting more bang for buck $$$ in return.way more , is what it is now , will never be anywhere near the value for what his ridiculously overinflated remuneration package he enjoys

I really wish people would stop crapping on about salary packages after every single match review.

News alert. It is what it is. And it doesn’t change midseason.