Opinion Sack Hinkley 5 - Lower The Blinds

[chachi11]

Hinkley signs in October 2012 for 4 years, not 3+1 option, but straight 4 years ie to end of 2016.

March 2015 we given him an early 2 years extension to end of 2018.

Ken's contract an easy decision: KT

Keith Thomas says renewing Ken Hinkley's contract was an easy decision

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

September 2017 EF loss after siren to WCE, Koch bags players in rooms and at post match function, they get upset, Hinkley gets upset, Hinkley threatens to walk.

1 week later Koch backs down and wets his pants and gives Hinkley the 2+ 1 year option extension ie make finals once in 2018, 2019 or 2020 and you automatically get 2021.

Can't find the story on PAFC site but its on the AFL website so as author is Lee Gaskin, probably 100% taken from Port's website, dated 19th September

'There's some relief': Hinkley re-signs with Port

Ken Hinkley rebuffs Suns' interest to re-sign with Port Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

Caro's article published the night of 18th September after Ken was on 5AA saying he is staying and they are finalising the final deal

Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley gets three-year contract extension

Ken Hinkley has received a three-year contract extension at Port Adelaide, ending speculation that he will join the Gold Coast Suns as coach.

www.theage.com.au

It has emerged that Port had offered Hinkley a significant pay rise to remain at Alberton with contract talks having commenced late last month and put on hold over the past week. Gold Coast were told that Hinkley had been offered a deal worth close to $1 million a season - a financial offer the Suns could not match although they were prepared to offer him five years.
start of article it said;
Having initially been offered a two-year deal, Hinkley strongly requested and received an extra year from the club. This followed robust discussions over the weekend, which saw David Koch on Saturday morning apologise to Hinkley, ..........

2020 make finals so 2021 is in the bank.

January 2021 gets a new 2 year contract - another early extension.

Hinkley extends contract with Port Adelaide

Ken Hinkley has agreed to a two-year contract extension, tying him to the club until at least the end of 2023.

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Ken was asked by Koch what can we tell people in our membership push in 2013? Ken - we will never give up, ergo I will never give up my push for a multi- million dollar contract extension.

From Caro's article and John Ralph's comment re payout of $400k a week or two ago, I have posted earlier in this thread, looks like you were right PowerLil.

$1mil contract pre covid. 20% standard covid cut = $800k.
6 month pay out of $800k contract = $400k

- which is the figure John Ralph said on Fox Footy would be the payout figure - think he said "upto $400k."


History suggests Hinkley between October and January will be pushing for another 2 years extension to the end of 2025 - if he lasts that long.

Hinkley on 1 million a year for a coach that has never even made a GF let alone won a Premiership? **** me!
What a rabble.

 

[Del165198]

****en sack him 400k is nothing.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The issue was that he had that absolutely horrendous contract extension immediately after we got bundled out in 2017 which gave him until the end of 2021 provided we made finals once in the following 3 years. The single worst coaching contract in AFL history.

Sacking him in 2019 would have seen us paying out 2 full seasons of his bloated salary.

A 3 year extension to give him 4 years on his contract after 2 seasons missing the finals and then finishing 5th and losing an EF.

Koch and Keith Thomas absolutely f’ed us. And then Koch f’ed us again by extending him after 2020, but at least that time we had the 6 month payout clause, the AFL saving us from Koch's arrogance and incompetence.

This is why I say draw a red line on the calendar at 11.59pm the day we lost the 2017 EF to WCE, where Koch lambasted the players saying their efforts weren't good enough. The club had done a lot of things right in the 5 years before that red line, not perfect but a lot of very good and good decisions.

Post that date and Koch's capitulation and things swing from good and very good, to too often bad and very bad. The next 5 years after that date the club has been in a malaise and stagnation, except for in 2020.

We hit bloody Richmond, and hit them in the PF not GF. Last year flattered us, we were the 4th or 5th best side, that with a bit of luck, the effect of and unbalanced FIXture and the Bulldogs going to sleep for 3 weeks we looked a chance.

This year is the accumulation of 5 years of bad decisions, and one fundamentally big bad one.

 

[Rendaw]

WTF we pay $1 million to have Hinkley as coach??? He has done nothing to warrant that price. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the league.

400k to sack him is worth it and likely would be offset by increased supporter engagement.

 

[JimmyBC]

I'd rage about his salary but any coach that gets beyond the 5 year mark is probably skirting a million a year.

 

[Us against the rest]

I'd rage about his salary but any coach that gets beyond the 5 year mark is probably skirting a million a year.

True but he's a used car salesman not an AFL standard coach. We have been blessed with some really good talent is why Hinkley even made a few finals, not because of his coaching.

 

[tribey]

Who are the guys on this podcast?

The one guy spending as much time railing against critical/protesting fans as he did the incompetence of the incumbent regime began to grate

 

[Arsene Wenger]

The one guy spending as much time railing against critical/protesting fans as he did the incompetence of the incumbent regime began to grate

rucc?

 

[davesnothere]

WTF we pay $1 million to have Hinkley as coach??? He has done nothing to warrant that price. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the league.

400k to sack him is worth it and likely would be offset by increased supporter engagement.

Our next coach as long as it’s not Clarko is not earning anything like 800K. Close to 400?
We’ve lost nothing.

 

[tribey]

Hinkley signs in October 2012 for 4 years, not 3+1 option, but straight 4 years ie to end of 2016.

March 2015 we given him an early 2 years extension to end of 2018.

Ken's contract an easy decision: KT

Keith Thomas says renewing Ken Hinkley's contract was an easy decision

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

September 2017 EF loss after siren to WCE, Koch bags players in rooms and at post match function, they get upset, Hinkley gets upset, Hinkley threatens to walk.

1 week later Koch backs down and wets his pants and gives Hinkley the 2+ 1 year option extension ie make finals once in 2018, 2019 or 2020 and you automatically get 2021.

Can't find the story on PAFC site but its on the AFL website so as author is Lee Gaskin, probably 100% taken from Port's website, dated 19th September

'There's some relief': Hinkley re-signs with Port

Ken Hinkley rebuffs Suns' interest to re-sign with Port Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

Caro's article published the night of 18th September after Ken was on 5AA saying he is staying and they are finalising the final deal

Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley gets three-year contract extension

Ken Hinkley has received a three-year contract extension at Port Adelaide, ending speculation that he will join the Gold Coast Suns as coach.

www.theage.com.au

It has emerged that Port had offered Hinkley a significant pay rise to remain at Alberton with contract talks having commenced late last month and put on hold over the past week. Gold Coast were told that Hinkley had been offered a deal worth close to $1 million a season - a financial offer the Suns could not match although they were prepared to offer him five years.
start of article it said;
Having initially been offered a two-year deal, Hinkley strongly requested and received an extra year from the club. This followed robust discussions over the weekend, which saw David Koch on Saturday morning apologise to Hinkley, ..........

2020 make finals so 2021 is in the bank.

January 2021 gets a new 2 year contract - another early extension.

Hinkley extends contract with Port Adelaide

Ken Hinkley has agreed to a two-year contract extension, tying him to the club until at least the end of 2023.

www.portadelaidefc.com.au

Ken was asked by Koch what can we tell people in our membership push in 2013? Ken - we will never give up, ergo I will never give up my push for a multi- million dollar contract extension.

From Caro's article and John Ralph's comment re payout of $400k a week or two ago, I have posted earlier in this thread, looks like you were right PowerLil.

$1mil contract pre covid. 20% standard covid cut = $800k.
6 month pay out of $800k contract = $400k

- which is the figure John Ralph said on Fox Footy would be the payout figure - think he said "upto $400k."

History suggests Hinkley between October and January will be pushing for another 2 years extension to the end of 2025 - if he lasts that long.

That extension at the end of 2017 was an absolute disaster that would never have happened if the club wasn’t run by a Chairman and CEO who parachuted in from Sydney and the SANFL respectively.

100% of the media noise and external narrative when they took the gig was that Port was a mismanaged clown car that had a reputation for sacking coaches and other movers and shakers on a whim, and was solely responsible for the mess it found itself in.

Nope, not us, not this time, no siree!

Screw any sort of nuance, situational realities and pragmatism: We’re all about stability and staying the course!

Have a zillion dollars, Ken.

Sickening.

 

[tribey]

rucc?

Nah, the main guy on that podcast. Even going as far as to call out Ilias M by name on multiple occasions. It’s like, you might not agree with his methods, but is the man wrong?

 

[finbarr]

fu**en sack him 400k is nothing.

Imagine getting a $400,000 golden handshake for being terrible at your job. If I could retire now and added that to my super I could live quite comfortably. **** Hinkley.

 

[tribey]

Imagine getting a $400,000 golden handshake for being terrible at your job. If I could retire now and added that to my super I could live quite comfortably. fu** Hinkley.

I’m resigned to losing access to all my socials amidst the tsunami of “delusional Port ingrates” from the blue tick brigade when the time comes.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Imagine getting a $400,000 golden handshake for being terrible at your job. If I could retire now and added that to my super I could live quite comfortably. fu** Hinkley.

Happens all the time in public companies. Bigger payout to the chief if he ****s up, than if he does a good job it seems.

 

[Andre]

With the full benefit of hindsight, Hinkley was the right man at the right time to steer the club out of the Primus years and put us on course for sustained success. He just wasn't the man to achieve that ultimate success.

A small part of this I attribute to the AFL is in many ways far from the professional sports league it likes to paint itself as. In comparison to the professional Soccer, Basketball, Baseball and Gridiron leagues that have been professional for much longer. Although we've now got line coaches, there's still this view that a head coach must be great at all types of situations - clubs at the start of a build (Port 2013-2014), clubs in serious contention for a flag, clubs who've been at or near the top and needing a coach to ensure their post-flag immediate years aren't a crash and burn. With various permutations on these.

There shouldn't be any issue with clubs / media / coaches being able to identify that they have the skill sets for only some of those roles, that make them perfect for clubs at particular times. Some of that is clubs are unwilling to admit they aren't a serious finals threat or going to be for at least 2 - 3 years, so they want the best coach who can work with a young list and get the basics down. We've seen it at Port even, when Choco dared to admit we weren't going to make finals one year and everyone at the club and elsewhere freaked out, thinking our crowd numbers would tank.

This is no way excuses the club (particularly Koch) in 2017 and doubly so in 2020, they provide a good lesson in how far the AFL still has to go. Even this year the immaturity is on display. At 0-5 the club shouldn't treat fans as idiots and talk about finals. They should be 'At 0-5 finals are unlikely this year, so we're going to look to getting experience into our younger players, ready for our next flag attempt. We thank players like Motlop, Jonas and Mayes for all they've done, but they understand they'll be there as injury coverage the rest of the season'. It wouldn't change me wanting Ken and Koch sacked, but it would at least give me hope that the club has decided treating it's supporters as idiots might not be the best idea or that playing old hands to go all in saving Ken at all costs isn't the best option.

 

[Andre]

1) in his book, the AFL’s CEO at the time, Ross Oakley, said that our governance structure was an afterthought. and that we ended up with the same setup as the Crows — half-Port/half-SANFL on the board with SANFL right of veto — because that’s merely how it was done with the first SA license. all this despite being an existing club with an existing board.

2) in any case, Port and the Crows were emancipated from the SANFL and transferred to direct AFL control in 2014 with the Adelaide Oval move, with both clubs paying off the SANFL for their AFL licenses in instalments for the next umpteen years.

so even if we wanted to agitate for more member control than the current token involvement (2 member-voted board positions with club & AFL veto), it’d be about as fruitful as claiming to be a sovereign citizen against the federal government.

We're only going to get control if the club pays off it's debts (as AFL backed) and have a strong financial base that can weather down years. Then we remove the AFL excuse for control. The AFL would rather keep control, as it is still the VFL. We only got backing and help to get to AO, as we were becoming a drain on them. Port as mid-table, dependable crowds, some finals, but never a real threat, is perfect in their eyes.

We only have three paths to where we can really pressure to get back our club and bypass their control without them rolling out all the excuses:

1. We win a Premiership, with the subsequent increase (both in number and what the club can charge) in Memberships, Sponsorships and merchandising giving us enough to clear real debt, without Koch's bullshit fudging.
2. We have a rich benefactor bail the club out.
3. We get a much better stadium deal.

If a rich benefactor was going to save us, they would have by now. There's more chance Putin resigning as Russian President and begging forgiveness on his knees at the UN then the SMA(SANFL) giving us a fair stadium deal, unless a gun is pointed at their head.

That leaves a flag. Which is why 2020 burns so much as a wasted chance.

We did have option 4. China, but COVID and Ken stinking it up the years we were playing there put paid to that as our 'get out of jail free' card.

tl;dr; We're ****ed.

 

[Andre]

"Burgo wanted to come back but Ken actually vetoed it, because Darren required to have the final say over whether a player was fit or not and Ken didn't like it when he was there. So Ken making those calls like he probably did with Aliir, when he was probably still a week away, is the reason why he didn't want Burgo back from that perspective. Like when you have somebody of such an arrogance about you, that you think you know better than one of the most professional sports scientists in the world, and you don't want them because you don't want to lose the final say, it's an absolute disgrace".

I'm not a big Burgess fan, although he seems to have learnt you do have to let guys put on some size, but if Ken is overriding any of our fitness staff on who should play, he should be out the door for that alone. This is (multiple) lawsuits against the club just waiting to happen. IF this is true and Koch / the board know about it and signed off on it, then they are all culpable and are not fit to hold any office at the club. You do not risk long term health of players. ****ing hell.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I'd rage about his salary but any coach that gets beyond the 5 year mark is probably skirting a million a year.

Which just makes the decisions to renew him all the more perplexing.

 

[Sinnthesis]

the SMA(SANFL) giving us a fair stadium deal, unless a gun is pointed at their head.

Why is that so? I would have thought two stronger Adelaide teams would lead to more money and prestige for them in a national competition.

 

[MrMeaner]

I'm not a big Burgess fan, although he seems to have learnt you do have to let guys put on some size, but if Ken is overriding any of our fitness staff on who should play, he should be out the door for that alone. This is (multiple) lawsuits against the club just waiting to happen. IF this is true and Koch / the board know about it and signed off on it, then they are all culpable and are not fit to hold any office at the club. You do not risk long term health of players. ******* hell.

If it's true, it is an astounding failure of culture and governance. Even a hint that it might be happening should have the board questioning Ken in the interests of risk management.

 

[Andre]

Why is that so? I would have thought two stronger Adelaide teams would lead to more money and prestige for them in a national competition.

LOL. The SANFL is all about lining the pockets of the SANFL. From a shitty junior system that has consistently under delivered high quality draftable players most of the last 20 years (by population. Look at the number of stars the SANFL used to send to the then VFL when Port had zones to now), through bleeding both AFL clubs dry from the Footy Park days to present.

Adelaide should be a top 4 club for finances and Port, not rich, but debt free. We've both been leeched for decades now. Unfortunately the Adelaide (club) attitude and their media backers has been 'We don't care if we get punched in the nuts, as long as Port gets punched in the nuts AND poked in the eye'. They should be leading the charge against the SANFL, but either meekly do as told or half-heartedly mumble support if we raise issues.

 

[Sinnthesis]

LOL. The SANFL is all about lining the pockets of the SANFL. From a shitty junior system that has consistently under delivered high quality draftable players most of the last 20 years (by population. Look at the number of stars the SANFL used to send to the then VFL when Port had zones to now), through bleeding both AFL clubs dry from the Footy Park days to present.

Adelaide should be a top 4 club for finances and Port, not rich, but debt free. We've both been leeched for decades now. Unfortunately the Adelaide (club) attitude and their media backers has been 'We don't care if we get punched in the nuts, as long as Port gets punched in the nuts AND poked in the eye'. They should be leading the charge against the SANFL, but either meekly do as told or half-heartedly mumble support if we raise issues.

Thanks for that, really good points raised. Is there any way to change this predicament? State government policies?

 

[Duck Farmer]

fu**en sack him 400k is nothing.

This. It's the annual salary of a borderline best 22 player in the squad. Just do it.

 

[Andre]

Thanks for that, really good points raised. Is there any way to change this predicament? State government policies?

Not sure there's much they can do now. The State Government SHOULD have required they'd have oversight / overruling ability on the SMA, since they gave them around half a billion to re-do AO. Instead it was 'Yeah, SANFL, SACA you've both mismanaged stuff for years. So obviously now you can be completely trusted to manage a brand new stadium and it's cash cow tenants in a stellar fashion, without us checking on you!'

 

[PAFC66]

WTF we pay $1 million to have Hinkley as coach??? He has done nothing to warrant that price. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the league.

400k to sack him is worth it and likely would be offset by increased supporter engagement.

Ken deserved every single cent in 2013-2014
but hasn't since. We were pus then and he dragged us out of irrelevance but in all seriousness he expired in 2015-2016. That's the nicest thing I'll say about ken. Enough is enough.