Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[Steve Dore]

His contract ends this year. No need to sack him.

When a coach is not offered a new contract or an extension they are always considered to be sacked.

 

[Steve Dore]

Is that Kane Korner with fake glasses?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Did everyone else have people at work this week say something to the effect of "Hey impressive win by your boys and with those gun recruits, maybe this is your year?"

As if we haven't seen this all before.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Arrogance is very different to obnoxious. The West Indies had a quiet arrogance. Everything about Viv Richards striding to the crease, sans helmet, in just a cap, chewing gum, to face Thomson and Lillee, oozed arrogance. I can live with arrogance.

Tredders I think exemplified this sort of conduct during his career. Knowing you're better and carrying yourself that way. We should get him involved with the club somehow.

 

[TeeKray]

Humility is a desirable character trait in interpersonal terms but an undesirable character trait in a competitive pursuit. It speaks volumes as to where their priorities lie that they value this character trait seemingly above most other things.

 

[afl2004]

Humility is a desirable character trait in interpersonal terms but an undesirable character trait in a competitive pursuit. It speaks volumes as to where their priorities lie that they value this character trait seemingly above most other things.

Best freinds amazing humans fc

 

[edgie]

You don't wanna be a Melbourne or Brisbane that have an arrogance about them despite achieving no success or fleeting one off success either.

You have to be able to sustain success to earn that right, like the recent Brisbane, Geelong, Hawks, Richmond teams.

Our 1997 - 2007 era is borderline. We were unable to sustain premiership success, but our overachieving in the early years and dominance of home and away seasons was unique.

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[Handyandy]

Nostradamus predicted the future, not gave opinions based on what he saw happening.

Did it look like Hinkley had lost the players on Saturday? That’s why only idiots put weight on preseason form

 

[Jonts]

Weren't they talking about humilty between themselves
What's completely different to in a competitive sense

 

[Handyandy]

Perhaps you could explain how Adelaide fans reading this thread — whose opinions you simultaneously don’t care for — could ‘exploit internal divisions’?

My enemies are opposition teams, yours are 12yo crows supporters on social media. Kind of sad for you.
What do you think butters was saying to the lions players? Seemed to spend a lot of time in Cameron’s ear, Something about Fagan possibly. Do you know what men say to each other on the sports field to gain an advantage?
You better hope ports start losing or you are going to look like a bunch of losers. I suspect all your whining and bitching may light a fire under Kenny’s arse like Scott’s comments to choco

 

[EskimoPAFC]

My enemies are opposition teams, yours are 12yo crows supporters on social media. Kind of sad for you.
What do you think butters was saying to the lions players? Seemed to spend a lot of time in Cameron’s ear, Something about Fagan possibly. Do you know what men say to each other on the sports field to gain an advantage?
You better hope ports start losing or you are going to look like a bunch of losers. I suspect all your whining and bitching may light a fire under Kenny’s arse like Scott’s comments to choco

There isn't a single person here that doesn't want to see Port + Hinkley win the flag this year. Would absolutely love to see him up on the dais and bookend his time at Port - beginning with the rise in 2013/14 and finishing with success in 2023.

People are just calling for accountability, honesty, and to stop the scapegoating.

Ken's time at Port is actually a pretty simple cycle so far:
2013/14: Has a good coaching box: Richardson (2013), Walsh (2014) - relative success before losing in finals
2015-18: The great assistants leave the coaching box - massive underperformance
2019-21: Has a good coaching box: Schofield, Monty in defense and Voss in a senior assistant role which suits him - relative success before losing in finals in 2/3 of these years
2022: The great assistants leave the coaching box - massive underperformance
2023: Has a good coaching box: Carr in the midfield, with Bassett and Cornes in roles that make more sense for them - round 1 looks good, but let's see how it plays out.

What it seems like is that Ken himself doesn't add a lot, and when he's needed in the really big games to out-strategise, it falls over every time and we don't prepare well enough, or aren't efficient and ruthless enough.

There are only two ways to end this cycle: Either the bullshit excuses stop and Ken actually delivers a flag, or we promote the person who is actually responsible for the rise and hope they can overcome the final hurdle.

 

[Del165198]

There isn't a single person here that doesn't want to see Port + Hinkley win the flag this year. Would absolutely love to see him up on the dais and bookend his time at Port - beginning with the rise in 2013/14 and finishing with success in 2023.

People are just calling for accountability, honesty, and to stop the scapegoating.

Ken's time at Port is actually a pretty simple cycle so far:
2013/14: Has a good coaching box: Richardson (2013), Walsh (2014) - relative success before losing in finals
2015-18: The great assistants leave the coaching box - massive underperformance
2019-21: Has a good coaching box: Schofield, Monty in defense and Voss in a senior assistant role which suits him - relative success before losing in finals in 2/3 of these years
2022: The great assistants leave the coaching box - massive underperformance
2023: Has a good coaching box: Carr in the midfield, with Bassett and Cornes in roles that make more sense for them - round 1 looks good, but let's see how it plays out.

What it seems like is that Ken himself doesn't add a lot, and when he's needed in the really big games to out-strategise, it falls over every time and we don't prepare well enough, or aren't efficient and ruthless enough.

There are only two ways to end this cycle: Either the bullshit excuses stop and Ken actually delivers a flag, or we promote the person who is actually responsible for the rise and hope they can overcome the final hurdle.

I want us to sack Hinkley during the grand final parade, then win the flag without him

 

[NoddyHolder]

Did it look like Hinkley had lost the players on Saturday? That’s why only idiots put weight on preseason form

You'll be shocked to learn that I loved the win on saturday night. Nice turn around - so hopefully the master motivator keeps it going now that weight of expectation is back on

 

[tribey]

And your enemies will exploit such divisions, I imagine the crows supporters are belting off when they read this thread.

They treat every Hinkley extension like Christmas has come early.

Hop on Facebook or Twitter and under any article mentioning his contract you’ll find a Crows fan calling for 10 more years.

You’d think the penny would drop.

You are an easy mark if you actually listen and take to heart what those losers say. Toughen up cupcake

I don’t give a flying ()&k what those losers say

But you’re concerned about them ‘belting off’ while reading this thread?

Quite the dichotomy.

No but Tribey obviously is. My point was that ‘your enemies will exploit internal divisions’ perhaps this is too difficult a concept for you to grasp champ.

Perhaps you could explain how Adelaide fans reading this thread — whose opinions you simultaneously don’t care for — could ‘exploit internal divisions’?

My enemies are opposition teams, yours are 12yo crows supporters on social media. Kind of sad for you.

As per the above receipts, this entire train of thought of yours has been an epic fabricated derailment — you were the one who introduced the frenzied concept of what Crows fans may or may not think.

“Kind of sad”, indeed, Sun Tzu.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I honestly don't even see the relevance of the Crows here. We don't have to beat just the Crows to win a flag. We have to beat 17 other clubs, most of them with far better lists and better run than the Crows.

If anything I'd be far more interested in what Melbourne, Collingwood, Geelong, Flagmantle, Footscray or Brisbane supporters are thinking.

 

[tribey]

You'll be shocked to learn that I loved the win on saturday night. Nice turn around - so hopefully the master motivator keeps it going now that weight of expectation is back on

The Hinkley Cult and their collective 5-second memory should have a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame.

How many times have we been here before? A shock result, or a super-impressive performance completely against type, replete with smug windmilling (led by Kane Cornes), only for the entire house of cards to tumble soon after.

• the thoroughly entertaining win over the Swans at the SCG in Round 1 2017

• the self-styled ‘best win in my time here’ over Melbourne at the MCG in Round 1 2019;

• the 2019 ‘dirty ball’ demolition of the reigning premiers in Perth;

• the confident and professional victory over Geelong in the 2021 Qualifying Final which was immediately followed by the club’s heaviest home defeat since 2011.

if ‘preseason form means nothing’, and that’s largely true, history tells us neither does ‘KeNnY pRoViNg ThE hAtErS wRoNg’ with a one-off performance that nobody saw coming for a reason.

 

[tribey]

I honestly don't even see the relevance of the Crows here. We don't have to beat just the Crows to win a flag. We have to beat 17 other clubs, most of them with far better lists and better run than the Crows

They don’t. Old mate thought posting after too much booze and sun was a good idea and then completely forgot what he previously wrote.

 

[chiwigi]

As per the above receipts, this entire train of thought of yours has been an epic fabricated derailment — you were the one who introduced the frenzied concept of what Crows fans may or may not think.

“Kind of sad”, indeed, Sun Tzu.

Tribey the 'Book-keeper', he always keep receipts!

 

[simba_]

the crows are our smallest and least relevant rival

 

[finbarr]

the crows are our smallest and least relevant rival

This isn't really true. People say this, but they don't really mean it. I'll openly admit that there's no team I prefer beating than the crows, and if everyone here is completely honest they'll say the same thing. As the only local AFL rival, competing for media space and young fans, they are our main rival. Anyone who says otherwise isn't being honest.

 

[simba_]

I much much prefer wins against the old Vic big 4 just off the top of my head, especially at the G, no contest. Beating Geelong in Geelong probably too. I hate even watching Showdowns. I just always think back to this old Choco interview someone posted here a long time ago where he got sick of the Crows questions and was like "why are we always comparing ourselves to them and caught up in them? worry about the bigger clubs, compare yourself to them and try to get there instead of squabbling within SA" type thing. The kids will take care of themselves - that organization has embarrassed a generation of fans who jumped ship and/or lost interest in the last 5 years.

 

[Steve Dore]

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What it seems like is that Ken himself doesn't add a lot, and when he's needed in the really big games to out-strategise, it falls over every time and we don't prepare well enough, or aren't efficient and ruthless enough.
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Remember that over the years the Hinkley apologists have been bleating that Hinkley just needs better assistants. That is an admission that Hinkley is not up to the job of head coach and needs others to carry him.

Here's a thought, why don't we just sack Hinkley and get someone who would otherwise just be propping up Donuts to be the head coach.

 

[1954]

Kern made a comment in that interview about controlling himself in the box, which could suggest as a number of posters have commented on in the past that someone got to him under the `little old blue collar club from Alberton' and its humility clause after his reaction to someone who touched him on the shoulder when he got a bit emotional some years back.

Personally I don't mind a coach showing some emotion, after all it's an emotional game that is regularly played on the edge in pursuit of the ultimate success, and a thump on the desk, or the chucking of the game plan notes in the air, ala Clarko or geebung's version of one of the Krey bros could at times be more appealing than a coach just sitting there emotionless like a cardboard cut out with his lips pursed and arms folded.

 

[johnnysix]

I admit to also being befuddled by the talk of "playing with humility". My initial response was "What?? How can you associate the dominance and flair we showed in that third quarter with humility?". But the more I think about it, the more I think we are missing the nuance and detail around that commentary. You can apply humility in many ways. Maybe they mean among each other? Maybe what it means is that as a team, they loose a sense of entitlement that something will just happen? Maybe they loose the idea that one player is more entitled to receive the ball than another? This could explain our young players stamping themselves on the game. It seems to me to be a "team first" approach to humility. I don't think they are talking about their attitude to the opposition in terms of competition.

 

[finbarr]

I much much prefer wins against the old Vic big 4 just off the top of my head, especially at the G, no contest. Beating Geelong in Geelong probably too. I hate even watching Showdowns. I just always think back to this old Choco interview someone posted here a long time ago where he got sick of the Crows questions and was like "why are we always comparing ourselves to them and caught up in them? worry about the bigger clubs, compare yourself to them and try to get there instead of squabbling within SA" type thing. The kids will take care of themselves - that organization has embarrassed a generation of fans who jumped ship and/or lost interest in the last 5 years.

It's not about comparing yourself to the crows. But no one can deny they are a bitter rival.
Ask yourself this question. If the crows were in a grand final, playing against a Richmond, a Geelong, or a Collingwood, who would you be barracking for in that game?