Opinion Sack Hinkley 9 - I Am Become Donuts, Destroyer Of Ports

[edgie]

Off the top of my head, in not even two seasons, Matt Primus retained

Travis Boak

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Travis Boak

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

12.0

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

22.0

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.4

4star

- Top 10 bownlow mid who was courted in a very strong over the top way not seen since
Jackson Trengove

8

Jackson Trengove

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

167.1

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

4.0

5star

MG

16.0

1star

D

9.8

3star

K

2.6

1star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

- Reigning BnF winner as a KPD
John Butcher

John Butcher

Age

33

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.6

5star

- Hot KPF prospect that had an electric start to his career

Let's face it, this club has always been good at player retention. Literally the only players we've lost we wanted to stay are Nick Stevens and Shaun Burgoyne

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Shaun Burgoyne

Age

42

Ht

186cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.0

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

8.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.8

5star

MG

162.7

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

162.7

3star

D

6.2

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.6

4star

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Hinkley just carrying on that culture is nothing special.

 

[raptalia]

Reading through the CEO 's message it looks like that 13 in a row made sure Ken would be reappointed.

 

[Us against the rest]

Here's a simple equation for you. And see if you can help me reconcile this. But first, a few statements:

The general consensus on this board is that the list that Ken Hinkley had from 2013-2017 was good enough to win a flag, correct?

The other consensus is that the only reason why it didn't was because Hinkley isn't good enough as a coach and that's the reason why we missed finals in 2015 and 2016 and never made top four from 2013-2017.

So here's my question:

If Hinkley wasn't a good enough coach to get a so-called premiership calibre list to top four from 2013-2017...why was he able to get the current list to top four three times between 2018-2023?

There are only two explanations - either Hinkley has consistently been a good coach and the 2013-2017 list wasn't top four standard...or the 2013-2017 list was good enough to win a flag but Hinkley was s**t and he's since improved his coaching from that period. Possibly a combination of the two. And don't use some bullshit excuse like 'the competition was tougher from 2013-2017', when the top eight isn't even locked in with two rounds to go this year.

This is why I could understand the angst that people had in 2017 when he was extended, but I can't understand it now. It's completely and utterly irrational. The last club to sack a coach that made three preliminary finals in a row was the Bulldogs with Rodney Eade - and that was because it was clear that the players weren't responding to him anymore. That's not the case here.

If he had missed finals this year, he was gone. He didn't, so he stays.


The actual divide is between:

People who know that a club that was finishing sub 100 in percentage for the five years before a coach took over isn't going to be winning a flag when the club misfires on three first round draft picks in the same year and two expansion franchises come in and gut 40+ of the most elite young players out of the competition in the three years prior to his appointment

vs

People who think that bringing in two elite players (Wingard and Wines) and a decent coach is going to catapult that sub 100 percentage team to a flag. (I'll admit I was one of these people at the time. Now I know better.)

When people talk about Hinkley's coaching record, they fail to understand that at no point in history have two expansion franchises come in so close together and with the kind of concessions that Gold Coast and GWS got - being able to access the main draft PLUS sign the best 12 17 year olds in the country the year before. And why did they get those concessions? Because Victorian clubs knew that they would be a net benefit to them and that they would become feeder clubs.

They also don't concede that he wasn't coming into a club that was well run and all he had to do was coach. We were ******* s**t across all aspects of the club - instead of thinking we were one of 16 (at the time) clubs in the most elite competition in the country, we instead had losers begging for money from companies like Soaring Securities because we were the 16th club in the AFL.

We've now built back up to a club that can start to consistently challenge for flags.

AFL 2021 preliminary final: Port Adelaide demolished by Western Bulldogs – as it happened​

• Port Adelaide 6.9 (45) lost to Western Bulldogs 17.14 (116)

Bloody pathetic, any way you want to spin it.

 

[Janus]

Janus has gone full Rucci.

Parked his brain stem when throwing his lot in with the current regime and has no choice but to commit wholeheartedly until biting into the cyanide pill as the fuhrerbunker crumbles around him.

I would have been happy if we went for Hardwick when he was available. And honestly, maybe that was really the original plan - there's no way that Hardwick suddenly goes 'I don't want to coach Richmond anymore' to 'Sign me up Gold Coast' in the space of six months. But the players are still playing for Hinkley, so complaining about it and saying you won't be a member because the club made the choice to stick with a guy who just made top four again is pretty silly to me. Especially when you've got the likes of Butters, Rozee, Horne-Francis and Bergman to look forward to.

I think this forum massively overrates the contribution that a head coach has to the performance of the team. In the modern environment, it really is a coaching collective that is responsible for the strategy. For mine, as long as the team is playing a brand of football that can win a flag (and I believe this year it is), then really the head coach is just a figurehead/representative of the club and becomes sort of redundant/irrelevant. His job is really done in the off-season/pre-season.

 

[Interstater]

I have run out out of words and hope.

There is no place for supporters that hold the club accountable and actually care about results, not the entertainment.

The message is loud and clear, we don't won't you rusted on types, we want the new age happy clappers, that even clap the boys and coach of the ground after a shocking loss.

Bye bye PAFC.

Yes there is, here.
If I didn't believe so I would leave.

 

[TeeKray]

We've actually made 11 prelims in a row.

Don't @ me with facts.

 

[Janus]

AFL 2021 preliminary final: Port Adelaide demolished by Western Bulldogs – as it happened​

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• Port Adelaide 6.9 (45) lost to Western Bulldogs 17.14 (116)

Duursma, Wines, Houston, Boak, Gray, Drew vs Smith, Liberatore, Hunter, Macrae, Bontempelli, Treloar, Dunkley

Dogs midfield covered every single player of ours by some distance.

In fact, I would say that our current midfield would cover that 2021 PF midfield by some distance too:

Duursma, Wines, Bergman, Horne-Francis, Butters, Rozee, Drew, (Houston)

Dogs have since lost players (Hunter and Dunkley) while we have gained players.

 

[Steve Dore]

You need to make a grand final to challenge for a flag.

...

Remember back win 2019 when Hinkley said that playing finals was overrated after we missed finals for the second consecutive seasons and Janus posted that we could win a flag without having to play finals. Maybe they believe that the AFL will just hand Hinkley a flag because he deserves one.

 

[bomberclifford]

Finishing in the top four means that our potential pathways are as follows:

WW—W = FLAG
LWW—W = FLAG

WW—L = GRAND FINAL
LWW—L = GRAND FINAL

WL = PRELIM FINAL EXIT
LWL = PRELIM FINAL EXIT

LL = STRAIGHT SETS EXIT

To us, the 'lunatic fringe', anything other than the first two scenarios is a failure.
I suspect though that the current admin of the club see all bar the last option as success.
Hence the 2yr extension.

While I don't want to see a straight sets exit, it will be interesting to see how the club handles that situation if it occurs. It will shine a light on the decision brighter than a million suns. It will also be very interesting to see how the Kenny Fluff Squad in the media handles it.

 

[Us against the rest]

Duursma, Wines, Houston, Boak, Gray, Drew vs Smith, Liberatore, Hunter, Macrae, Bontempelli, Treloar, Dunkley

Dogs midfield covered every single player of ours by some distance.

In fact, I would say that our current midfield would cover that 2021 PF midfield by some distance too:

Duursma, Wines, Bergman, Horne-Francis, Butters, Rozee, Drew, (Houston)

Dogs have since lost players (Hunter and Dunkley) while we have gained players.

You forgot the first 10 minutes where the brilliant Hinkley had Drew sitting on the pine.

 

[Sheeds]

Duursma, Wines, Houston, Boak, Gray, Drew vs Smith, Liberatore, Hunter, Macrae, Bontempelli, Treloar, Dunkley

Dogs midfield covered every single player of ours by some distance.

In fact, I would say that our current midfield would cover that 2021 PF midfield by some distance too:

Duursma, Wines, Bergman, Horne-Francis, Butters, Rozee, Drew, (Houston)

Dogs have since lost players (Hunter and Dunkley) while we have gained players.

Yet we beat the Bulldogs less than a month before the Prelim....

 

[Janus]

You need to make a grand final to challenge for a flag.

We have consistently shown we are incapable. Largely due to the same inability to convert i50s into goals each time.

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This year we are competition average for doing that. Running at about 24%.

Our issue is that while other clubs can reduce the efficiency of opposition attacks to 20% or below, we also concede goals at a 24% per inside 50 rate...hence why we need to rely on high inside 50 numbers to cover the deficit. It's why we are targeting another intercept defender to help Aliir out.

 

[StrappingTape]

Duursma, Wines, Houston, Boak, Gray, Drew vs Smith, Liberatore, Hunter, Macrae, Bontempelli, Treloar, Dunkley

Dogs midfield covered every single player of ours by some distance.

In fact, I would say that our current midfield would cover that 2021 PF midfield by some distance too:

Duursma, Wines, Bergman, Horne-Francis, Butters, Rozee, Drew, (Houston)

Dogs have since lost players (Hunter and Dunkley) while we have gained players.

They were coming from Queensland having not been home for yonks, banged up and missing key players and then rolled in against a team who'd not had the COVID issues the other teams have had, rested, at home. FML there's no excuses for that game.

 

[pstew2dstew]

There is a big difference from Hinks coaching today than previous years and that's the onfield personal.

It's a massive gamble but after 13 in row it was always going to happen. And our ladder position this year IS reflective of how much of a better team we are. He chokes this final series with the team he has at his disposal and well its another 2 long year wait...

 

[Janus]

Yet we beat the Bulldogs less than a month before the Prelim....

We did that by tipping our hand and having Gray push into the midfield - which they were ready for in the PF - and still only beat them by 2 points. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

 

[Us against the rest]

Excuses excuses, that's all we here now, weak club.

Glad i didn't live my life full of excuses, only if, what if, if only did that. gees i'm unlucky.

What a load of bullshit, the old way was, make finals, make grand final then make the most of your opportunities.

This mob shit their pants at first time they feel expectation or pressure.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Hey guys, here's a simple equation for you. I was hoping you would be able to help me reconcile this.

The general consensus of this board is that Ken Hinkley wasn't good enough to coach us to a grand final in 2013-2017.

The other consensus is that Ken Hinkley wasn't good enough to coach us to a grand final in 2018-2023.

One poster has produced a wall of text trying to prove the inherent contradiction in the above but I can't help feeling like I'm the "they're the same thing" meme woman.

Please help.

 

[Fizzler]

Over a long enough period in sport, mediocre is the same as bad. He's the coaching equivalent of Ryan Tannehill. Good enough that you don't bottom out, not much better.

Also I'd argue he's not a good coach anyway. What are his good qualities? We know he's not good at strategy. We know he's not good at gameday tactics. We know he's not capable of getting his team to stay motivated.

It's no surprise that our good seasons under Hinkley have come when he's had highly rated assistants.

He's pretty good at player retention. That's good. But is it enough?

No.

I’ll be making a video on TikTok later tonight challenging the Ken fan club to tell me what he’s good at, and I’ll be fair enough to mention these things and why they’re not enough to justify 13 years. It’ll be funny to see what they have to say

I'm a simple man. Can someone please explain this to me.
Ken's contract talks were put on hold so as not to distract the poor man during the home and away season.
But he must have an extension right now so he is not distracted in finals.

The jobs not done, right? We exist to what??


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Clearly what we exist to do is make our community proud by giving this charity case a **** ton of money in secure employment. Surely the community is more proud with that charity more than they would be with a flag.

 

[malcheski]

We did that by tipping our hand and having Gray push into the midfield - which they were ready for in the PF - and still only beat them by 2 points. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

If we lost the return bout by 2 points, you may have an argument.

We laid a massive turd in the doona within 10 minutes - them 'being ready' for Gray in the middle is the stupidest thing I've heard considering he pushed into the middle all year on a needs basis.

Galaxy brain Hinkley left Drew on the bench (who blanketed Libba 4 weeks prior) for the first 10 minutes and who got the first 3 clearances?

 

[chiwigi]

Hello, I’ve been off the grid for a couple of weeks.
Turn my phone on for the first time and see Hinkley is re signed. Mother fu ker!

I then see something by Tredrea that it’s a potential succession plan.

Is there truth to that? Can I hang my hopes on that?

Sorry if already discussed, but I’m ****ed if I’m going to trawl through this thread and need to up my blood pressure meds.

 

[Janus]

If we lost the return bout by 2 points, you may have an argument.

We laid a massive turd in the doona within 10 minutes - them 'being ready' for Gray in the middle is the stupidest thing I've heard considering he pushed into the middle all year on a needs basis.

Galaxy brain Hinkley left Drew on the bench (who blanketed Libba 4 weeks prior) for the first 10 minutes and who got the first 3 clearances?

vs the PF:



Liberatore wasn't the issue. It was the increase in output from Bontempelli, Treloar, Macrae, Dunkley, Hunter and Smith. They had another level to go to and we didn't.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Hello, I’ve been off the grid for a couple of weeks.
Turn my phone on for the first time and see Hinkley is re signed. Mother fu ker!

I then see something by Tredrea that it’s a potential succession plan.

Is there truth to that? Can I hang my hopes on that?

Sorry if already discussed, but I’m ****ed if I’m going to trawl through this thread and need to up my blood pressure meds.

A little from column A, a little from column B.

Hinkley's signed on for at least 2 more years and will enterain a succession plan over his dead body.

Carr cucked out on the Richmond job after Hinkley convinced him that if he plays his cards right he may leave him some sloppy seconds.

 

[DaTBird187]

Duursma, Wines, Houston, Boak, Gray, Drew vs Smith, Liberatore, Hunter, Macrae, Bontempelli, Treloar, Dunkley

Dogs midfield covered every single player of ours by some distance.

In fact, I would say that our current midfield would cover that 2021 PF midfield by some distance too:

Duursma, Wines, Bergman, Horne-Francis, Butters, Rozee, Drew, (Houston)

Dogs have since lost players (Hunter and Dunkley) while we have gained players.

Cool. Is that the dogs that may barely scrape into finals this year and most likely won’t be a PF opponent?

 

[Steve Dore]

We did that by tipping our hand and having Gray push into the midfield - which they were ready for in the PF - and still only beat them by 2 points. Classic case of winning the battle but losing the war.

If we hadn't put Gray into the midfield in that game Beveridge and his opposition scouts would never have known that that was a possibility and have a plan ready to counter the move. That is why Beveridge is not a successful coach like Kenny Hinkley.

 

[chachi11]

Some of the pro Ken wank in here would make Rucci and Kornes blush.