Opinion Sack Hinkley 9 - I Am Become Donuts, Destroyer Of Ports

[Peninsula Boy]

End of the day Hinkleys record on paper looks good. 3 pre lims, couple of other final attempts. Win loss looks good.

This is what happens when you have corporates rather than football people running the organisation. Their metrics are at a business level rather than football level.

If assessed on football level, Hinkleys long term top 4 win loss is poor, his ultimate prize cabinet is empty.

However if it’s about bums on seats, revenue, debt reduction, stability then he’s one cog in many that’s performing his role.

The divide comes in supporter expectation to club expectation, as we have known for quite some time, our ethos is now about making the community proud.

Job is done

I'm going to have to disagree with the first sentence.

His record on paper is average at best.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The most disingenuous thing is the anti Hinkley fringe looney v pro Hinkley sensible and rational people narrative.

The actual divide is just people who want to and expect to win premierships v people who think it would be kind of nice to win premierships but also think it's a bit too difficult for a little battler club.

I've come back from work and it really has heated up in here.

I mentioned a bit in a post before I went to work.

I agree with just about all of it except the idea that the Port faithful expect to win premierships does not quite sit right with me as the Port faithful is generally pretty realistic. We know we can't win them all the time but if you administrate, coach and play the Port Adelaide way, the success will come. I think the Port fans know when we don't have the cattle. And they know when we there or thereabouts.

Just a very slight difference of opinion.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Difference is that in finals you're playing for a flag, where as in the home and away season you're simply playing to qualify for finals.

The games against Collingwood and Geelong, while losses, were not a case of the players not being up for the fight as they have been in another seasons. I can completely understand people being reluctant in 2021 because we didn't really beat many good teams and our position was based more on the quirk of the fixture. This year has been a top four team performance throughout.

One thing you have to be mindful of whenever anyone in the media is talking about certain teams is who is sponsoring these shows e.g. betting companies. Sometimes its in their interest to talk down certain sides while talking up others in order to make people believe one side is far better than the other.

We've won 2 finals in 8 seasons. Clearly the lure of a flag isn't enough to get us motivated, it might even be something that triggers one of our famous bedshitting performances. You can argue that everything is different this year, but this would be about the 8th season in a row where you've made that argument so you'll forgive me if I take it with a pinch of salt.

I don't think it's been a consistent top 4 performance at all. We've certainly had games where we played like a top 4 side, the Melbourne win being the most obvious example. But we've had plenty of other games where we've been made to look 2nd rate by sides sitting outside the 8, and other wins where we've scraped over the line against opposition we should be killing.

I'm not interested in what the media say, I know what i'm watching with my own eyes.

 

[TeeKray]

I've come back from work and it really has heated up in here.

I mentioned a bit in a post before I went to work.

I agree with just about all of it except the idea that the Port faithful expect to win premierships does not quite sit right with me as the Port faithful is generally pretty realistic. We know we can't win them all the time but if you administrate, coach and play the Port Adelaide way, the success will come. I think the Port fans know when we don't have the cattle. And they know when we there or thereabouts.

Just a very slight difference of opinion.

Yeah we're in fierce agreement.

Nobody expects premierships every year but we do expect the club to win at some point and make the most of their opportunities when they open up.

What we essentially want to be in the national comp is like West Coast. They have made 7 grand finals and won 4 flags. Now here's the exclamation point - they've done it from less top 4 finishes than we've managed 2 grand finals and 1 flag (0 and 0 under DD).

Winner clubs win premierships, loser clubs talk about how hard it is to win them.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I've come back from work and it really has heated up in here.

I mentioned a bit in a post before I went to work.

I agree with just about all of it except the idea that the Port faithful expect to win premierships does not quite sit right with me as the Port faithful is generally pretty realistic. We know we can't win them all the time but if you administrate, coach and play the Port Adelaide way, the success will come. I think the Port fans know when we don't have the cattle. And they know when we there or thereabouts.

Just a very slight difference of opinion.

This is bang on, it's not about winning the flag every year, it's about conducting ourselves like a side that is trying to win the flag every year. Port Adelaide was a ruthless, accountable football club.

We sacked our greatest son because he wasn't coaching well enough
Players in the 150th doco talking about how transformative mingling with supporters at the club after games was
We had a creed that used to dictate every decision we made

It's just non-existent under Koch. A Sydney blow-in who doesn't understand what it takes to foster the sort of culture that leads to sustained success.

 

[tribey]

Ah look we struggle to win Showdowns,

We can’t beat Geelong outside this state (Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

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D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

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2.2

3star

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2.8

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0.4

3star

says he’s cool, but!),

And routinely get stagefright under lights in our own stadium,

Bur we’ll totally turn up in the biggest game of all, in hostile territory, and win a flag under this guy.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yeah we're in fierce agreement.

Nobody expects premierships every year but we do expect the club to win at some point and make the most of their opportunities when they open up.

What we essentially want to be in the national comp is like West Coast. They have made 7 grand finals and won 4 flags. Now here's the exclamation point - they've done it from less top 4 finishes than we've managed 2 grand finals and 1 flag (0 and 0 under DD).

Winner clubs win premierships, loser clubs talk about how hard it is to win them.

Uh yeah but a team with the same amount of finals wins in the last 8 seasons as North Melbourne is surely right on the cusp of this, right, right? It'll just happen?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Ah look we struggle to win Showdowns,

We can’t beat Geelong outside this state (Chris Scott says he’s cool, but!),

And routinely get stagefright under lights in our own stadium,

Bur we’ll totally turn up in the biggest game of all, in hostile territory, and win a flag under this guy.

Do we have a current Hinkley era Adelaide Oval night game tally?

 

[tribey]

Do we have a current Hinkley era Adelaide Oval night game tally?

29-29

 

[Peninsula Boy]

This is exactly it.

There will still be excuses this year if we don't get it done. Our list is too young, Collingwood were too good, our ruckmen were injured... blah blah blah blah blah

We have a culture of whining about things beyond our control, rather than taking accountability for what we can control and learning from our mistakes.

We're good enough and winning the flag should be seen as the only acceptable outcome.

Yep.

Accountability means you learn from your mistakes and move forward on the path of victory.

When you don't have accountability, when the going gets tough, you know the easy road to defeat is allowed, even before the ball is bounced it is in the back of your mind, of all the 23 players and the coaching staff and if you lose, you just have to trot out a bit of spin.

 

[Steve Dore]

Breaking news: man who is on Port's football committee who made Ken extension recommendation to the Board says extending Ken is a good thing.

Keep patting yourself on the back you hopeless git, Dom.

Well at least Cassisi didn't say he/the committee had drawn a line in the sand.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Which is basically where I sit if I put on a super optimistic hat (the realist in me has doubt). There can be no excuses. Win the flag this year and then these conversations have meaning.

Which is exactly why contract talks abould have waited til after finals


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[Janus]

We've won 2 finals in 8 seasons. Clearly the lure of a flag isn't enough to get us motivated, it might even be something that triggers one of our famous bedshitting performances. You can argue that everything is different this year, but this would be about the 8th season in a row where you've made that argument so you'll forgive me if I take it with a pinch of salt.

I don't think it's been a consistent top 4 performance at all. We've certainly had games where we played like a top 4 side, the Melbourne win being the most obvious example. But we've had plenty of other games where we've been made to look 2nd rate by sides sitting outside the 8, and other wins where we've scraped over the line against opposition we should be killing.

I'm not interested in what the media say, I know what i'm watching with my own eyes.

Okay, firstly this is completely disingenuous. Arbitrarily including 2015-2022 to make it sound like the team has a massive issue when the 2015 list has hardly anything in common with the 2023 list makes your arguments look stupid. You either include 2013 and 2014 and say we've won 5 finals in 10 seasons or you separate the lists and say the 2013-2017 team won 3 finals in 5 seasons and the 2018-2022 team won 2 finals in 5 seasons.

What finals were the 2020 and 2021 wins anyway? Elimination finals? Semi-finals?

Oh...they were qualifying finals. The ones that give you the right to a home preliminary final, and mean that you are a pretty good team. Not the top two teams, but not shit.

I would say our game against Collingwood, even though it was a loss, proved we were a top four side. See, being top four doesn't mean you sweep everyone before you - there are teams that will match up well against you, and teams that won't. Adelaide, for example, is literally the antithesis of us - whereas we have a rubbish defence, an elite midfield and an inefficient forward line, they have a great defence, a mediocre midfield and the most efficient forward line in the league. Which is why when we play them, all they have to do to win is make sure their mids choke the **** out of ours.

In fact, Adelaide's performances over the year are equivalent to any of the teams in the top five. If they miss finals it will be a choke.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Breaking news: man who is on Port's football committee who made Ken extension recommendation to the Board says extending Ken is a good thing.

Keep patting yourself on the back you hopeless git, Dom.

Unbelievable that they roll this out as "third party validation" knowing most of the idiots who hear it won't know he was part of the committee that made the decision.

No wonder those in the know get sick of being treated for fools.

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[Peninsula Boy]

Yeah we're in fierce agreement.

Nobody expects premierships every year but we do expect the club to win at some point and make the most of their opportunities when they open up.

What we essentially want to be in the national comp is like West Coast. They have made 7 grand finals and won 4 flags. Now here's the exclamation point - they've done it from less top 4 finishes than we've managed 2 grand finals and 1 flag (0 and 0 under DD).

Winner clubs win premierships, loser clubs talk about how hard it is to win them.

Lets agree to gloriously agree.

I was pretty sure we were on the same page.

 

[Duck Farmer]

When we win the premiership this year and we're all basking in the afterglow and offering our mea culpas to the Alberton leadership, Janus will post a 30,000 word diatribe on why Hinkley should be sacked.

 

[Chewy316]

Unbelievable that they roll this out as "third party validation" knowing most of the idiots who hear it won't know he was part of the committee that made the decision.

No wonder those in the know get sick of being treated for fools.

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Koch literally said on radio the past few days that Cassisi was one of the people who was on the footy committee who was part of the recommendation to the Board to extend Ken

Ive never known a mob to be so engrossed in dealing with the media when they're all about a back slap as the Port hierarchy are. As soon as a bad result comes through though they go into hiding thinking no one will notice.

Mob of cowards.

 

[Alberton Proud]

They actually signed the man for two more years. It doesn't get any less baffling thinking about it 2 days on.

Only 728 days to go !

 

[El_Scorcho]

Okay, firstly this is completely disingenuous. Arbitrarily including 2015-2022 to make it sound like the team has a massive issue when the 2015 list has hardly anything in common with the 2023 list makes your arguments look stupid. You either include 2013 and 2014 and say we've won 5 finals in 10 seasons or you separate the lists and say the 2013-2017 team won 3 finals in 5 seasons and the 2018-2022 team won 2 finals in 5 seasons.

What finals were the 2020 and 2021 wins anyway? Elimination finals? Semi-finals?

Oh...they were qualifying finals. The ones that give you the right to a home preliminary final, and mean that you are a pretty good team. Not the top two teams, but not s**t.

I would say our game against Collingwood, even though it was a loss, proved we were a top four side. See, being top four doesn't mean you sweep everyone before you - there are teams that will match up well against you, and teams that won't. Adelaide, for example, is literally the antithesis of us - whereas we have a rubbish defence, an elite midfield and an inefficient forward line, they have a great defence, a mediocre midfield and the most efficient forward line in the league. Which is why when we play them, all they have to do to win is make sure their mids choke the * out of ours.

In fact, Adelaide's performances over the year are equivalent to any of the teams in the top five. If they miss finals it will be a choke.

It's pretty funny that you of all people would whinge about a stat being cherry picked, but 8 years without winning a single knockout final is 8 years without winning a single knockout final.

The qualifying final wins were both pretty good, and then we backed them up by shitting the bed in the prelim. In the 2020 prelim it was just at the clearances where we torpedoed any chance we had of winning, in 2021 it was one of the worst bedshitting performances in preliminary final history.

We're around the mark this year. We're absolutely good enough to win a flag. But again, to win a flag you have to be able to back up 3 games in a row against top 4 opponents.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Just to put it in perspective, North Melbourne have a more recent knockout final win than us.

 

[bomberclifford]

29-29

Basically a coin toss.

 

[MrMeaner]

Koch literally said on radio the past few days that Cassisi was one of the people who was on the footy committee who was part of the recommendation to the Board to extend Ken

Ive never known a mob to be so engrossed in dealing with the media when they're all about a back slap as the Port hierarchy are. As soon as a bad result comes through though they go into hiding thinking no one will notice.

Mob of cowards.

Has no-one noticed that the backslapping forms a circle (with a lot of supporters left outside of it)?

 

[Peninsula Boy]

This is bang on, it's not about winning the flag every year, it's about conducting ourselves like a side that is trying to win the flag every year. Port Adelaide was a ruthless, accountable football club.

We sacked our greatest son because he wasn't coaching well enough
Players in the 150th doco talking about how transformative mingling with supporters at the club after games was
We had a creed that used to dictate every decision we made

It's just non-existent under Koch. A Sydney blow-in who doesn't understand what it takes to foster the sort of culture that leads to sustained success.

And this is the thing that Koch doesn't really comprehend.

Koch, you can do all of your business stuff. Cool.
Fudge some membership numbers. OK.
Get some sponsors. You're a Legend.

You just leave the football stuff to Port Adelaide people and it will take care of itself.

Just delegate the footy to guys who know it and are steeped in our traditions and when it succeeds, you will be loved.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I gotta say it, Duck Farmer, Edgie and Janus are on fire today.

 

[Interstater]

Only 728 days to go !