Unofficial Preview Sack Hinkley

[Us against the rest]

This is the best option for all. Everyone will save face and make it look like that it was at their own terms. Even Koch can avoid scrutiny by saying that extending Hinkley's contact was the right call since other clubs are/were headhunting him. But unfortunately we can't keep him since Hinkley has decided to pursue greener pastures. Therefore termination of contract due mutual agreement. It is a golden opportunity.

Please make it happen Koch, KT and Board.


Please make this happen.

 

[240volt]

Retiring after the 1995 AFL Grand Final, Hinkley joined Hampden Football League club Mortlake as coach, where he remained for three seasons. He then returned to Camperdown and steered his former club to back to back premierships in 1999 and 2000, the former as captain-coach. St Kilda acquired his services as an assistant coach in 2001 but the following year he took up the role of senior coach of Bell Park in the Geelong Football League and oversaw a premiership in 2003. He resumed his AFL coaching career in 2004, as an assistant to Mark Thompson at Geelong. At the end of the 2009 season, Hinkley was announced as an assistant at the new Gold Coast Suns Franchise. Hinkley has also interviewed for the Richmond, Geelong and St Kilda senior coach positions but was unsuccessful.

If Ken was so highly regarded at Geelong, how come they and other clubs turned him down as a senior coach.
He was good at the role he had but not as a head coach, which was identified by his own club.

So in other words he’s a good parkland coach but a long way off AFL material.
That makes me feel much better

 

[Dark24]

For mine the most baffling move in the offseason was moving Basset to forward coach. The bloke played as a backman. Did a great job coaching our Backman. Was rubbish as a forward's coach at Essendon (ask any of their supporters), so we decide to move him forward. It makes about as much sense as moving Cluery to the forward line because he plays well down back. Put players and coaches in their correct positions. It's really not rocket science. Look at the transformation Travis Boak as made just playing in his correct position this year. Let Basset control the backline, and bring in a specialist forward's coach (not Brendon Lade) to fix the forward line.

We spent the off season looking to improve our scoring, where has all of that gone the last month or so? The whole year even?

I understand other teams have gone hyper defensive in response to the rule changes, but something has gone very wrong with our attacking system.[/QUOTE

 

[ozph1870]

For mine the most baffling move in the offseason was moving Basset to forward coach. The bloke played as a backman. Did a great job coaching our Backman. Was rubbish as a forward's coach at Essendon (ask any of their supporters), so we decide to move him forward. It makes about as much sense as moving Cluery to the forward line because he plays well down back. Put players and coaches in their correct positions. It's really not rocket science. Look at the transformation Travis Boak as made just playing in his correct position this year. Let Basset control the backline, and bring in a specialist forward's coach (not Brendon Lade) to fix the forward line.

Nope, making games boring scrap fests does not mean having a good defense. Our defense was terrible last year. Don't let meaningless stats distract you from the truth. We were opened up frequently against sides with skill and speed. We couldn't drag them down into scrappy rubbish so they opened up our frail defense.
Scrubber sides we had no problems turning into shitty snoozefests.

 

[Us against the rest]

So in other words he’s a good parkland coach but a long way off AFL material.
That makes me feel much better

That's the way I read it.

 

[Us against the rest]

For mine the most baffling move in the offseason was moving Basset to forward coach. The bloke played as a backman. Did a great job coaching our Backman. Was rubbish as a forward's coach at Essendon (ask any of their supporters), so we decide to move him forward. It makes about as much sense as moving Cluery to the forward line because he plays well down back. Put players and coaches in their correct positions. It's really not rocket science. Look at the transformation Travis Boak as made just playing in his correct position this year. Let Basset control the backline, and bring in a specialist forward's coach (not Brendon Lade) to fix the forward line.

Exactly this.

 

[snozulu]

If Hinkley goes. Do we trust Thomas, Kosch and the board to pick the next one?
Of course we don't, hence they need to go too.

 

[OneGreatClub]

For mine the most baffling move in the offseason was moving Basset to forward coach. The bloke played as a backman. Did a great job coaching our Backman. Was rubbish as a forward's coach at Essendon (ask any of their supporters), so we decide to move him forward. It makes about as much sense as moving Cluery to the forward line because he plays well down back. Put players and coaches in their correct positions. It's really not rocket science. Look at the transformation Travis Boak as made just playing in his correct position this year. Let Basset control the backline, and bring in a specialist forward's coach (not Brendon Lade) to fix the forward line.

Bass is obviously in the forward line to teach our forwards how to defend.
Problem is he hasn’t similarly taught them how to score.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Bass is obviously in the forward line to teach our forwards how to defend.
Problem is he hasn’t similarly taught them how to score.

I’d love somebody to explain what is the game plan for our forward entries.

There is never any system, just bombs away or kick to the boundary or better still kick the ball high to our small forwards.

****ing hell its been going on for ages, I can’t recall the last time a leading player was hit on the chest.

 

[Dark24]

Bass is obviously in the forward line to teach our forwards how to defend.
Problem is he hasn’t similarly taught them how to score.

Really? So his KPIs would revolve around defensive metrics as opposed to attacking? I'm not buying that for a second. It may have been a part of his job description, but there's no way it took precedence over attacking. No team is that incompetent.

 

[bomberclifford]

They promised us:

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But we got:

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ffs, we know the difference between Superman and Arm-Fall-Off-Boy, campaigners...

Plorp Adelaide

 

[Dark24]

Nope, making games boring scrap fests does not mean having a good defense. Our defense was terrible last year. Don't let meaningless stats distract you from the truth. We were opened up frequently against sides with skill and speed. We couldn't drag them down into scrappy rubbish so they opened up our frail defense.
Scrubber sides we had no problems turning into shitty snoozefests.

Our defence was far from terrible last year. Pre our end of season breakdown we were one of the better defensive sides in the comp. The stats reflect this. What are the meaningless stats you are referring to? Scores against...?

 

[tribey]

Excuses, excuses.

Funny how a team like Geelong don't need high draft picks and don't need everyone to play 100 games together before they actually start playing good football. They just get it done year in year out, regardless of personnel.

It's called coaching and culture.

Don’t worry.

Once we lose 5,000,000 games of experience over the next 18 months as Westhoff, Gray, Ryder and Boak depart is when we’ll finally have the experience to push for the lofty heights of 8th.

 

[ozph1870]

Our defence was far from terrible last year. Pre our end of season breakdown we were one of the better defensive sides in the comp. The stats reflect this. What are the meaningless stats you are referring to? Scores against...?

Exactly scores against, how did we go against the better more skilled sides.. They carved us up. We played low scoring scrappy defensive slopfest games last year, that artificially made our scores against appear better than the reality.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Really? So his KPIs would revolve around defensive metrics as opposed to attacking? I'm not buying that for a second. It may have been a part of his job description, but there's no way it took precedence over attacking. No team is that incompetent.

Mmmmm

 

[ozph1870]

Sack anyone who has been here for more than a year, reinstate chad as the Maggies coach. Toughen the fk up and start developing a winning culture.
Schofield, Monty, it's your time. The rest, gtfo

 

[tribey]

Our defence was far from terrible last year. Pre our end of season breakdown we were one of the better defensive sides in the comp. The stats reflect this. What are the meaningless stats you are referring to? Scores against...?

Hear hear.

Like how we held a rampaging Freo to under 10 goals at home.

But the negative nellies won’t mention that.

 

[Janus]

You are right. Josh Kennedy is 194cm as is Taylor Walker. Now if they had been 1cm shorter hthey wouldn't have been key forwards, and both the Eagles and the Crows would have been down a key forward for the last 5 years at least.

In fact if they was measured in the morning they may have been lucky to scrape into the key forward club because we shrink by about 8mm each day as we stand upright and then gain that back when we are supine at night.

De goey doesn't know his height clearly because he basically plays as a key forward (Nick Riewolts words not mine).

Jack Riewolt, Jesse Hogan are both 195cm. Being approximately 1% clearer than their unlucky 193cm counterparts also makes fortunate to scrape into the key forwards club. Especially if their height were taken in the morning because by nightime they would only be 0.5% taller than their poor 193cm counterparts, assuming they were measured at nights.

This is a concern for the power because applying the same rule to defenders, Howard is the only key defender we have. Jonas and Cluery both fall well short of 193cm.

It could be argued that power forwards vs key forwards (in my mind one can certainly be a key forward without being a power forward Think the Riewolts, Schultz etc etc) these days are almost always taller than 193cm, as well as being significantly bulkier than other players. But even then I think most would agree that Josh Kennedy and even Taylor Walker play as Power forwards in the evening when they might only be 193cm.

This is assuming that no player ever lies about their height which I am sure they never do.

I guess my point, even though made extremely sarcastically, is that you can't make blanket statements like that, because it is demonstrably not true.

Gunston most of the time plays like a key forward and occasionally like a Power Forward. If he bulked up he could be a Power forward if he wanted to be. But why would he? He is doing alright as is. Hawthorn look like they are defnitely going to need a Power forward soon.

Are you trying to suggest that height is what the criteria for being a key forward is? Or that's what I was implying?

A key forward is someone who brings the other players around them into the play. He's the target in the forward line, which means he has to be strong, equalling more muscle and more weight. How heavy is Reiwoldt? Let's see...he's 93 kg.

How heavy is Josh Kennedy? 99 kg.

Jesse Hogan? 97 kg.

Dixon? 105 kg.

Hawkins? 101 kg.

You couldn't even compare him to Darling, who weighs 95 kg and is the same height as Gunston. Which incidentally was what Jay Schulz weighed.

Those guys are key forwards.

For the record, Gunston weighs 87 kg. That's right, he's 8 kilograms lighter than Darling.

Gunston never plays like a power forward, or a key forward. He plays like Angus Monfries did when he was in his prime - when he's in the forward line he relies on speed and smarts to gain separation, but he will never, in a million years, help other forwards in the forward line by bringing the ball to ground, or creating a contest, or doing one of a myriad of things a key forward does.

Monfries kicked 6 goals against Geelong once as a one out forward. Did that make him a key forward or a power forward?

Gunston is about as much a key forward as Todd Marshall is at the moment. Not at all.

 

[Janus]

Nick Riewoldt not modern enough for you?
pretty good KPF he was... and 193cm

Nick Riewoldt weighed what, 96 kg? Just continues to prove my point.

It's not just about height, it's about how strong they are so they can bring the ball to ground in a contest.

 

[Us against the rest]

Nick Riewoldt weighed what, 96 kg? Just continues to prove my point.

It's not just about height, it's about how strong they are so they can bring the ball to ground in a contest.

Jay Schulz was the perfect forward imo, great mark, deadly accurate, could play much taller than he was, knew how to demand the footy.
Gee I miss Jay.

 

[tribey]

Reduced to pedantic discussion about tall players’ respective weights.

cruising down the freeway in the hot hot sun

 

[FPPF]

Doubtful w***ers like Koch will sack him, or step down them selves.
The only way is for members/fans to stop turning up to games.
Huge drop in attendances THIS season. Do it.
Start up a social media campaign with the main grievances. Put it out there directly from the fan base.


Cancel memberships. Dont renew next year if these dick heads are still ruining..i mean running our club.

 

[FPPF]

He’s a dead man walking. Need to get him out of the club before he can do any long term damage to our rebuild.

Weve already been set back a few years.

 

[Dark24]

Exactly scores against, how did we go against the better more skilled sides.. They carved us up. We played low scoring scrappy defensive slopfest games last year, that artificially made our scores against appear better than the reality.

There's a fair bit wrong with this, but I understand your point. And that is precisely what I'm talking about. When Basset is given free reign to dictate game plan all over the ground we serve up that garbage. In isolation, prior to round 16 our defence actually held up quite well. I'm talking inside 50s / scores against ratio. This number was obviously effected by our scrappy team game plan, which you alluded to. But Imagine if Bass was told to focus solely on the backline and nothing else. He'd excel in that role. Just keep him the **** away from the forward line/midfield.

 

[Contested Marx]

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Macca19

I am ashamed of past Chris who was horribly wrong then as well