Banter Sign Hinkley 1 - “Get On Board”

[growly]

I'm back in Perth for a few days and going to see freo/Carlton. Catching up with I guy at the blues I know well. Voss is not a sure thing to continue as coach next season.
If carlton decide to knife Voss they will offer a kings ransom to hardwick, gold coast can't compete with carlton. If gold coast get rid of dew and hardwick is not available it will be ken they go after.

 

[Taper]

I'm back in Perth for a few days and going to see freo/Carlton. Catching up with I guy at the blues I know well. Voss is not a sure thing to continue as coach next season.
If carlton decide to knife Voss they will offer a kings ransom to hardwick, gold coast can't compete with carlton. If gold coast get rid of dew and hardwick is not available it will be ken they go after.

Is there a chance of Carlton going after Hinkley? If Carlton can't get Hardwick then surely Hinkley is the next best option available for them.

 

[Steve Dore]

lol, no club is seriously going to go after Hinkley.

 

[finbarr]

lol, no club is seriously going to go after Hinkley.

Disagree. A club really struggling to find its feet and a list in need of a "father figure"-like coach would see great value in Ken Hinkley, just like Port did in 2013. Gold Coast fits that bill, and i think it's the only senior job he'd take over Port Adelaide.

 

[Taper]

lol, no club is seriously going to go after Hinkley.

Essendon went after Ken last year. He was ahead of Brad Scott on their preference list.
Carlton won't want to go for a rookie coach if they decide to part ways with Voss. They'll want an experienced coach with a good win record, and Ken is the next best option after Hardwick.

 

[Steve Dore]

Essendon went after Ken last year. He was ahead of Brad Scott on their preference list.
Carlton won't want to go for a rookie coach if they decide to part ways with Voss. They'll want an experienced coach with a good win record, and Ken is the next best option after Hardwick.

lol, Essendon never went after Hinkley. Stop listening to what Hinkley's manager is feeding to Hinkley's media admirers.

 

[PowerLil]

Essendon went after Ken last year. He was ahead of Brad Scott on their preference list.
Carlton won't want to go for a rookie coach if they decide to part ways with Voss. They'll want an experienced coach with a good win record, and Ken is the next best option after Hardwick.

Must be all those premierships that make your father/ brother/ uncle/ grandfather/ cousin such an attractive proposition........ Oh wait.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Hardwick went 7 years with a 0-3 record in finals.

But Hardwick had 2 premierships by his 10th season, whereas Hinkley had 0 GF's and 0 premierships. Crazy to think he could be re-signed again for up towards a 14th season, without even a Grand final appearance for a club that claims its identity is premierships. And Williams won his first premiership for Port in his 6th season, and had 2 Grand final appearances by his 9th season. Hinkley should be let go at season's end, even if they unlikely win the premiership. There's likely going to be 3 premiership coaches on the market, just hire one of them to manage the club properly.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Hardwick went 7 years with a 0-3 record in finals.

This argument might have held water in 2019, but only if you have the shallowest understanding of football imaginable.

Hardwick did the full rebuild himself, he took over Richmond at their lowest ebb. Primus put in the hard yards of the first 2 years of the rebuild pilloried mercilessly for it. He put games into the kids and marginalised negative locker room influences. Ken's first 2 years were a direct result of that.

Hardwick's year 8 and Hinkley's year 8 aren't comparable. Hinkley had the leg up of 2 years of a full rebuild happening before he started.

Regardless, it's year 11 for Hinkley. He can't be compared to anyone. His mediocrity is unprecedented, and if he wins a flag in year 11 because Josh Carr took the reins, he'll still be the only man to ever complete 10 years as a coach without a flag. His mediocrity records don't suddenly disappear.

 

[Taper]

lol, Essendon never went after Hinkley. Stop listening to what Hinkley's manager is feeding to Hinkley's media admirers.

Ken Hinkley has a better coaching record than Brad Scott.

 

[Bevoman]

lol, Essendon never went after Hinkley. Stop listening to what Hinkley's manager is feeding to Hinkley's media admirers.

Talk about fairies at the bottom of the Garden.
Get used to it, there is no way Ken will not be coaching Port next year.

He and the players have formed a very special bond; something so rare that you may only see in a football club every five years or so.
No club would flick their Coach after 12 and possible 15 wins in a row.
Who know, we may go all the way with-out a loss.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Ken Hinkley has a better coaching record than Brad Scott.

Phwoar what a high bar. The standards are really through the roof

 

[the_inknkwn]

Talk about fairies at the bottom of the Garden.
Get used to it, there is no way Ken will not be coaching Port next year.

He and the players have formed a very special bond; something so rare that you may only see in a football club every five years or so.
No club would flick their Coach after 12 and possible 15 wins in a row.
Who know, we may go all the way with-out a loss.

And there's the jinx if we lose tonight

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[Taper]

But Hardwick had 2 premierships by his 10th season, whereas Hinkley had 0 GF's and 0 premierships. Crazy to think he could be re-signed again for up towards a 14th season, without even a Grand final appearance for a club that claims its identity is premierships. And Williams won his first premiership for Port in his 6th season, and had 2 Grand final appearances by his 9th season. Hinkley should be let go at season's end, even if they unlikely win the premiership. There's likely going to be 3 premiership coaches on the market, just hire one of them to manage the club properly.

Ross Lyon, Brad Scott, Michael Voss and Brett Ratten have all coached multiple clubs in recent times, despite not winning any silverware.
What makes you think Ken Hinkley won't get to coach at another club?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Sounds like Luke Beveridge who's first two seasons at the Bulldogs produced fantastic results and lots of frustrating results since.
Port's 2013 was Bulldogs 2015 and Port's 2014 should have been Bulldogs 2016.

However the Bulldogs got lucky by being able to pinch a flag in the gap year between the Hawthorn and Richmond dynasty teams. Port under Hinkley had no such luck.

You do realise there's a large element of luck when it comes to coaching don't you? Paul Roos and Ross Lyon have very similar coaching records and coaching styles, yet one has a flag and the other doesn't.
Leo Barry's mark and Matthew Scarlett's toe poke could easily have gone the other way and both were completely out of the coach's control.

Beveridge had that element of luck go his way and Hinkley didn't. Simple.

Thanks Graham Cornes.

Loser Glenelg mentality.

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[PowerLil]

Talk about fairies at the bottom of the Garden.
Get used to it, there is no way Ken will not be coaching Port next year.

He and the players have formed a very special bond; something so rare that you may only see in a football club every five years or so.
No club would flick their Coach after 12 and possible 15 wins in a row.
Who know, we may go all the way with-out a loss.

How do you know there is no way Ken will not be coaching next year and what does this perceived 'special bond' have to do with with anything? What are we, 3rd grade primary schoolers? * the connection, daddy issues, special bond crap because that's all it is. Crap.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Ross Lyon, Brad Scott, Michael Voss and Brett Ratten have all coached multiple clubs in recent times, despite not winning any silverware.
What makes you think Ken Hinkley won't get to coach at another club?

I didn't say that, I said it's unbelievable that someone who hasn't a coached a Grand final in their first 10 seasons may get contracted by the same club again. This is unprecedented. Even Rodney Eade who kept losing prelims and got fired coached a Grand final in his first season.

 

[Janus]

But Hardwick had 2 premierships by his 10th season, whereas Hinkley had 0 GF's and 0 premierships. Crazy to think he could be re-signed again for up towards a 14th season, without even a Grand final appearance for a club that claims its identity is premierships. And Williams won his first premiership for Port in his 6th season, and had 2 Grand final appearances by his 9th season. Hinkley should be let go at season's end, even if they unlikely win the premiership. There's likely going to be 3 premiership coaches on the market, just hire one of them to manage the club properly.

Richmond playing list in 2013:

Grigg - 25 (29 in 2017)
Houli - 24 (28 in 2017)
Edwards - 24 (28 in 2017)
Reiwoldt - 24 (28 in 2017)
Rance - 23 (27 in 2017)
Cotchin - 23 (27 in 2017)
Astbury - 22 (26 in 2017)
Martin - 21 (25 in 2017)
Grimes - 21 (25 in 2017)
Ellis - 19 (23 in 2017)
Vlastuin - 19 (23 in 2017)
McIntosh - 19 (23 in 2017)

Between 2013 and 2017, Richmond added Lambert (25 in 2017), Prestia (24 in 2017), Caddy (24 in 2017), Broad (24 in 2017), Townsend (23 in 2017), Nankervis (22 in 2017), Rioli (20 in 2017), Butler (20 in 2017), Castagna (20 in 2017) and Graham (19 in 2017).

The above players were their 2017 GF winning team.

Port Adelaide playing list in 2013:

Westhoff - 26 (30 in 2017)
Gray - 25 (29 in 2017)
Boak - 24 (28 in 2017)
Ebert - 23 (27 in 2017)
Broadbent - 22 (26 in 2017)
Hartlett - 22 (26 in 2017)
Trengove - 22 (26 in 2017)
Jonas - 22 (26 in 2017)
Pittard - 22 (26 in 2017)
Wingard - 19 (23 in 2017)
Clurey - 19 (23 in 2017)
Wines - 18 (22 in 2017)
Neade - 18 (22 in 2017)

Between 2013 and 2017, Port Adelaide added Ryder (29 in 2017), Dixon (26 in 2017), Sam Gray (25 in 2017), Polec (24 in 2017), Impey (21 in 2017), Amon (21 in 2017), Byrne-Jones (21 in 2017), Howard (21 in 2017), Bonner (20 in 2017), Houston (19 in 2017), Powell-Pepper (19 in 2017) and Marshall (19 in 2017).

The above players were their 2017 EF team that lost to West Coast.

Port Adelaide had 12 players 23 or under at the start of the 2017 season playing in that finals series. Richmond had 6. One team was absolutely cherry-ripe in the premiership window, the other was the quasi in-between limp dick where it wasn't all in for a flag by trading out draft picks to recruit players in that 22-24 window - almost like the list manager knew the current list wasn't good enough but was trying to fix it on the run.

Going into 2023, Port Adelaide has 7 players in their best 22 who are 23 or under - Rozee (23), Duursma (22), Butters (22), Williams (21), Bergman (21), Jones (21) and Horne-Francis (19)...(if you count McEntee (22) as being best 22 over Fantasia it's 8). Which is pretty much what Richmond was like in 2013.

The club is being managed just fine.

 

[Macca19]

Unless we lose 3-4 games on the trot starting tonight then I can't see him not being coach next year, whether we win a final or not

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Ross Lyon, Brad Scott, Michael Voss and Brett Ratten have all coached multiple clubs in recent times, despite not winning any silverware.
What makes you think Ken Hinkley won't get to coach at another club?

What's the other commonality between all these coaches?

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[the_inknkwn]

Unless we lose 3-4 games on the trot starting tonight then I can't see him not being coach next year, whether we win a final or not

I think they brought Carr back to the club for a reason, succession plan

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[Truetiger]

Unless we lose 3-4 games on the trot starting tonight then I can't see him not being coach next year, whether we win a final or not

Add to that when "Hopefully" you beat Collingwood in the Grand Final. Unsure the view of most Port fans. Will be hard to replace a coach when you have been one of the best sides this season.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Add to that when "Hopefully" you beat Collingwood in the Grand Final. Unsure the view of most Port fans. Will be hard to replace a coach when you have been one of the best sides this season.

Richmond also looked like they were a shoe in for the 2018 premiership, but lost the prelim. There's no guarantees even if you're one of the best teams in the H&A season. Hinkley has been incapable of taking Port to the next level, a lot of strange hoodwinking has to take place to justify his position. One of the more bizarre ones is the basket case argument, when Port had a Grand final appearance only 5 years before Hinkley began coaching Port and Port had won a premiership, 8 years earlier. And the off field stuff has nothing to do with him, wheels were in motion to move Port to The Adelaide Oval before Hinkley took over, and The AFL wouldn't fold Port, because they want 2 SA teams.

 

[Spider99]

Anyone else heard the rumour about Hinkley signing an extension during the bye week but not going to be announced until August.

 

[Del165198]

Anyone else heard the rumour about Hinkley signing an extension during the bye week but not going to be announced until August.

Confirmed. Josh Carr has checked out as he's been offered the head coach job at Richmond. Kenny has gone back his working hardery mantra on the bench and been giving a 6 year 5 million dollar deal by kochie