Autopsy Sydney Legacy in Grand Finals continues 10 goal loss to the Lions

[The King!]

Francis played a bit up forward in his first VFL year with us. Hamling is better.

We had enough KPDs, but no KPFs, with Francis in better form as a KPD, since Hamling had only just joined and had a slightly interrupted start. So we tried him forward and he did well, so we kept doing it.

But isnt the VFL there to help our senior side and we ended up playing Mcdonald in defence

 

[Superstar swan]

I hope the club gives the players and ultimatum. This year wasn’t acceptable , if your serious about redemption , picking up the shattered pieces of your legacy , and and all off season trips you will cancel and get back into training assp. If that isn’t important to you, by all means go but prepared to pay the price for it

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I wore Sydney kit all week last week. Had a scarf over my monitors.

I just want to vomit

Oh well, there's no backing down now!

 

[bedford]

I admire the fact that you can still listen to footy focused media after yesterday. This has been the only site I go to for footy talk and its because we all feel the same way haha.

I was listening and watching everything in disbelief

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

True but look at Brisbane's worst everyone had bad losses

And somehow we managed to beat more teams than anyone else (and more top 8 teams, IIRC), managed to grind down GWS in the first final with relentless determination, and managed to deliver a clinical demolition of Port Adelaide, who had annihilated us only weeks before and who we hadn't beaten for 8 years.

We are not mentally strong enough in grand finals. That is a very specific and peculiar problem, and no-one at this point knows the solution. It's verging on a pathology now. But we are not mentally weak per se. We are almost always a very formidable opponent, and have been for a long time now.

 

[liz]

I hope the club gives the players and ultimatum. This year wasn’t acceptable , if your serious about redemption , picking up the shattered pieces of your legacy , and and all off season trips you will cancel and get back into training assp. If that isn’t important to you, by all means go but prepared to pay the price for it

Whatever went wrong this year, it wasn’t the players’ commitment to getting themselves fit.

The issues are either tactical or psychological.

 

[Bloods86]

But isnt the VFL there to help our senior side and we ended up playing Mcdonald in defence

I think we mostly used Logan down back in games we had injuries, so a bit hard to bring Hamling in mid game.

The Port game was one where we went in with only 2 KPDs and put him back at some point. Where we left Fox up forward until the 2nd half. Mind boggling.

Maybe we thought it was worth the risk just to see Logan as a KPD, but I don't think it worked.

 

[Tedeski]

A sliding doors scenario!
If we let Papley go, we would have brought in Joe Daniher.
How would that have changed the dynamics of our team these last 5 years since that trade period?

 

[Superstar swan]

Whatever went wrong this year, it wasn’t the players’ commitment to getting themselves fit.

The issues are either tactical or psychological.

It’s more the psychological edge of canning any end of year celebrations and stay in a business first mindset .

Let everyone else celebrate , we are on the hunt

 

[bedford]

Papley needs to shut up next year, he dishes it out to other clubs then goes missing when it matters . Love you Paps but your grand final record is dismal.

His ankle was stuffed

 

[Superstar swan]

It’s amazing how all our players injuries miraculously got worse between the prelim and grand final.

More excuses

 

[bedford]

After live and replays , we just allowed them to dictate like Hawks in 14 , just deny us the ball , surely the coaching panel needed to reset go man on man for 15 minutes to stop them doing what they wanted to do , but no he does F all.
Fox another good GF but he was the one for Andrews , not Parker , Andrews said he studied what Parker was doing to AA last week . It's like we think it's going to work again.
Hayward , not 1 possession in the 2nd half , what a joke his contract is , it's not about being a great bloke , same as the coaching panel , piss Macca off and freshen up ! Get say a Corey Enright , or Nigel Lappin someone outside for once

 

[The King!]

His ankle was stuffed

It was fine in the prelim, I love the bloke, I know you love him heaps but he says a lot about other sides and now again didn't deliver

 

[bedford]

It’s amazing how all our players injuries miraculously got worse between the prelim and grand final.

More excuses

It happens at the end of 6 months , they had the same but obviously their fitness/medical team are better

 

[bedford]

It was fine in the prelim, I love the bloke, I know you love him heaps but he says a lot about other sides and now again didn't deliver

you haven't watched again the ball was disgraceful the way it was coming in , bombed on top of his head , 3 pathetic forwards that couldn't at least get the ball to ground

 

[The King!]

And somehow we managed to beat more teams than anyone else (and more top 8 teams, IIRC), managed to grind down GWS in the first final with relentless determination, and managed to deliver a clinical demolition of Port Adelaide, who had annihilated us only weeks before and who we hadn't beaten for 8 years.

We are not mentally strong enough in grand finals. That is a very specific and peculiar problem, and no-one at this point knows the solution. It's verging on a pathology now. But we are not mentally weak per se. We are almost always a very formidable opponent, and have been for a long time now.

It's mental and I don't want to take anything away from Brisbane at all, because a lot of this is they were just too good and didn't allow us to be decent.

But even when we had space the slipping, fumbling, not running, not manning up , that's nothing to do with opposition especially early .

 

[The King!]

you haven't watched again the ball was disgraceful the way it was coming in , bombed on top of his head , 3 pathetic forwards that couldn't at least get the ball to ground

It wasn't easy but if you are giving Papley an out then I think you are letting your favouritism get in the way

 

[bedford]

It wasn't easy but if you are giving Papley an out then I think you are letting your favouritism get in the way

I'm not all the leaders were shit , King reckons Blakey had 6 kicked on him.
I really believe they were fantastic on the day and too good , it was our lack of trying to rectify what was happening , on and off .
King reckons will today say to himself was it me that can't get them over the line

 

[Punts]

His ankle was stuffed

Was fine in the inter 2 finals when he was chirpy

Need to pull his head in

 

[Tedeski]

Whatever went wrong this year, it wasn’t the players’ commitment to getting themselves fit.

The issues are either tactical or psychological.

The blame for both lies with the coaches/ teachers.
They are the ones that need to give the players a game plan they can confidently carry out. I believe there is always that element of distrust from the players in the game plan in that they hope they are within touching distance in order to use their fitness to stage a quick come back. That has been the plan B they’ve hung their hats on against the odds.
A feeling of “ our stars Heeney, Chad & Errol’s brilliance will get us back in this”.
Then the oppo kick a cluster of 6 goals unanswered, a 50 point margin is too big & then “oh wait, panic handball, panic handball, panic kick” HALF TIME!

The coaches try to stay positive in the rooms. The group can see that their Saviour Heens is rendered useless by injury. “Hey Luke? Can you give us what we haven’t trusted you to give us all year out of the middle? Lizard? You’ve had each one of their small forwards kick multiple goals on you. Let’s see if you can do something forward.
That’s it Joel, just keep playing your role & bring it to ground even if you don’t mark it. Paps & Hayward will clean up the loose ball. Oh wait”

As a supporter we can only guess at the discussion in the change rooms at half time but this is definitely not only on the players but the coaches who have much to answer to for always providing the players protection & shielding them from these inadequate performances. They have overseen no change to 2022 GF.

In fact we were only 23 points down with 4.30 on the clock.
7 points down with 14 on the clock.

That’s on the coaches. Shut the game down, get the boys off at half time with a margin of 4 goals only. We can do that. We’ve done that all year. Give them something to believe in at half time. The guys lost belief half way through the second quarter.

Once again, 2014 was lost because ROK was too slow & was a reserve grader for the rest of the season. That day on GF day we still would have lost with him in the team but not by as much.
Once again in this GF, it’s seasoned fit players you want at the very first bounce. At least one in there. Not the pretty ones. The hard nosed ones. We have two. Adams who we recruited for that exact reason & Parker, where we know what we are going to get.
We are still maybe going to lose but not be down by 73 points mid third quarter.

Adams was perhaps not performing at his best but wow, he knows a Grand Final.
Time to put the blowtorch on the coaching group & those above.

 

[BloodySwan]

Just saying if we go too hard we'll kill the club. Don't want to copy Adelaide after their loss, they've still not recovered

 

[Membling]

Just saying if we go too hard we'll kill the club. Don't want to copy Adelaide after their loss, they've still not recovered

Kinda a would you rather scenario:

Would you rather be a perrenial contender and not get Premiership or would you rather be in the wilderness for 5-10 years and nab one or two post rebuild.

 

[Tedeski]

Kinda a would you rather scenario:

Would you rather be a perrenial contender and not get Premiership or would you rather be in the wilderness for 5-10 years and nab one or two post rebuild.

The second option is cheaper.
Last four Grand Finals have cost $10,000.
I don’t love footy that much.

 

[The King!]

I'm not all the leaders were shit , King reckons Blakey had 6 kicked on him.
I really believe they were fantastic on the day and too good , it was our lack of trying to rectify what was happening , on and off .
King reckons will today say to himself was it me that can't get them over the line

Horse will?

 

[The King!]

Just saying if we go too hard we'll kill the club. Don't want to copy Adelaide after their loss, they've still not recovered

It's going to be a tough strategy , because the talent is there overall.

The frustration is none of us here, nor media actually can say anything to fix it or to go yep that's the move that fixes it.

We just need to win a grand final , next season seems to far away to get all the way back there too