Autopsy Sydney Legacy in Grand Finals continues 10 goal loss to the Lions

[Heeney2Franklin]

So being around for so long back to the South days i have so many mates from that era . we all did it tough back then , lack of wins , lack of finals 1970 and 77 were something else , then we had so much hope in 86/87 but failure agian , club moved North and we followed and blessed with 2 flags , but now we have had enough and i know some that will always love the club , but won't be sucked in by shit like Harley and Spenser anymore . Some won't rejoin , or will downsize as i will and these are people that buy memberships every year and spend a fortune travelling to Sydney for games and have had enough , but it's like the club doesn't give a flying F anymore , it's the Swans , not the Bloods atm

Club has outgrown us type of supporters.

 

[bedford]

Club has outgrown us type of supporters.

Sadly i think you might be right

 

[Kiama Chris]

Sadly i think you might be right

The club has supporters from 8 to 80 and in every state and it needs to cater to all of us to maintain its present and build its future. It takes a lot of thought and effort but it needs to be done. Some of the stuff I'm hearing about Vic memberships is dreadful if it's cheaper to rock up at the gate than buy a membership.
Marketing 1.01 teaches you that it costs 10 times more to gain a new member than to keep an existing one.
I bought my grandkids Swans pyjamas and they love them. A small investment in the club's future.

 

[Tomorrow]

Pretty much sums up inner Sydney in the last 15 years. Money has gutted the suburbs of its character and spirit. It's all about the $ and the same philosophy runs the Swans. They won't listen until the numbers drop off.
I will never forget Richard Osborne kicking 10 one day for the swans to break their 26 game losing streak. A crowd of 4000 odd full of fn joy. The players showed heart and soul and that's all that was wanted. (Nobody can explain 24 GF when it comes to the fight on the day)
But hard to find that when you have a Clovelly mortgage.? I think 25 is going to pretty gutty but the BS will flow from upstairs.

 

[caesar88]

LONG POST INCOMING

Reading some of the discussion about how fans have become spoilt by our club's success, I think there is probably an element of truth to that. But I also wonder if our club's success has made the club itself, and many within it, spoilt as well?

I think there's a certain amount of fortitude a team needs to have to win a flag. I think about Richmond in 2016, being pummelled by the media for their poor performances. I think about Melbourne and their decade-plus in the wilderness as a cellar dweller. I think about Brisbane's culture being under attack from all angles earlier this year due to the whole Las Vegas debacle. Those are hardships that force teams to look inwards and and ask hard questions, to draw lines in the sand, but that can also lead to a galvanised playing group. They're humbled, they're weathering a storm together, it's them against the entire footy world, etc. In each of these cases, flags followed.

Hardships can produce a level of fortitude and buy-in, organically, that talking points on a white board or one-on-one sessions with a sports psychologist simply can't.

We had that fortitude in 2005 & 2012, because both were on the back of prior hardships. In 2005, we were on a 72-year premiership drought. In 2012, more than half the side (13) were either rival clubs' discards, or players taken in the fourth round of the draft or later, individuals who clearly did not have things handed to them on a silver platter in their football journey.

By contrast, what hardships have this current team faced? They've all been part of a very successful club now, even if none have experienced the ultimate prize in footy. They're out of the media spotlight, so they don't even get scrutinised that much when they do have poor performances. And they would all know they're at a club that is strong and stable and will give them a red hot chance of playing finals every year. I can't help but wonder if this has created a culture of spoils & comfort. They have it so good and don't they know it. Especially if the increasing number of stories about some of our boys acting like peacocks off the field is any indication.

But I also believe this is why we struggle in grand finals. It's the one day of the year where all prior success and privilege and privacy mean nothing. The only thing that matters is whether you put up or shut up for the three hours you're out on the field, in front of the millions of people watching. You need to be able to call upon your fortitude on such occasions, not your comfort in how good you have it as an athlete. Take the match up between the Lions & the Swans, for example. Which team was going to have more fortitude - the team that was the talk of the footy world for their culture crisis but had managed to rally together and rebound to a GF? Or the team that mostly avoided media scrutiny and attention all year, other than to be talked up for how great they are?

This is not to say that I want us to have some culture crisis at our club, or to have to endure a decade of mediocrity, or only play guys who have come from the rookie draft or were discarded from another club. I just think we need to stop leaning into our success over the years and thinking that it means anything, or has any bearing on the present. We need to stop thinking that because we are outside of the footy bubble that we are above it. And we need to take our shortcomings, such as our GF beltings now, and use them to galvanise the playing group, instead of shying away from them or dismissing them as one-offs in otherwise-great eras of success.

Long story short - we need to get our heads out of our arses and embrace the uncomfortable parts of footy.

 

[McGowan3]

Thoughtful post by Caesar. State of the art facilities and smug utterances from the likes of Pridham, Harley and Spencer don't help. We used to revel in being the underdog. Now we are seen as privileged. Doesn't suit us.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Thoughtful post by Caesar. State of the art facilities and smug utterances from the likes of Pridham, Harley and Spencer don't help. We used to revel in being the underdog. Now we are seen as privileged. Doesn't suit us.

Smug and get embarrassed in Grand Finals its like a weird cocktail mix

 

[McRobie]

The club reeks of privilege that has in recent times morphed into arrogance and simultaneously we have shed any resemblance of Bloods culture. Instead of embracing and fighting adversity's and tough situations, we crumble and melt into an almighty puddle.

 

[fit 4 life]

This is how my Grand Final day ended, still feel like this, I hope I get over it but far from it at the moment

 

[Jewelsbon]

This is how my Grand Final day ended, still feel like this, I hope I get over it but far from it at the moment

I feel you F4L, I really do.
The part for me that makes this saddest of all, is that in a million years I never thought I'd feel this despondent about the club. I really have no great hopes for the future of my team and I never imagined that could happen being a Swans fan.

 

[RampeRobe]

This is how my Grand Final day ended, still feel like this, I hope I get over it but far from it at the moment

So you just went home and got nude..? Doesn’t sound so bad

 

[Crust]

Someone said it earlier.
Corporations are about processes and marketing. Cold. Dispassionate. Efficient.

Footy clubs are the opposite.

Swans management want supporters of a footy TEAM.

We all want to be part of a footy CLUB.

 

[LeapingLeo21]

I feel you F4L, I really do.
The part for me that makes this saddest of all, is that in a million years I never thought I'd feel this despondent about the club. I really have no great hopes for the future of my team and I never imagined that could happen being a Swans fan.

No disrespect intended here, but how long have you been a swans fan? Whilst the feeling of losing 2 gfs in 3 years totally sucks especially given the size of the losses, it pales into insignificance when compared to the eras of the early 80s or late 80s to early 90s.

We still start next season as the 2nd best team based on the previous year's results, that's a much better prospect than say 1993 when we won one game.

I certainly felt more despondent in those eras than I do now, it's not like we're starting next season with a team of players who would struggle to get a game at any other club.

 

[Jewelsbon]

No disrespect intended here, but how long have you been a swans fan? Whilst the feeling of losing 2 gfs in 3 years totally sucks especially given the size of the losses, it pales into insignificance when compared to the eras of the early 80s or late 80s to early 90s.

We still start next season as the 2nd best team based on the previous year's results, that's a much better prospect than say 1993 when we won one game.

I certainly felt more despondent in those eras than I do now, it's not like we're starting next season with a team of players who would struggle to get a game at any other club.

21 years as a member. Sorry if that's not long enough for you to approve my feelings.

And it actually is disrespectful to downplay someone else's emotions.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

No disrespect intended here, but how long have you been a swans fan? Whilst the feeling of losing 2 gfs in 3 years totally sucks especially given the size of the losses, it pales into insignificance when compared to the eras of the early 80s or late 80s to early 90s.

We still start next season as the 2nd best team based on the previous year's results, that's a much better prospect than say 1993 when we won one game.

I certainly felt more despondent in those eras than I do now, it's not like we're starting next season with a team of players who would struggle to get a game at any other club.

During those years it was a struggle just to survive yet alone put out any sort of team together that had a chance of winning a game yet alone GAMES.

We have completely wasted a decade of being near the top with several literations of pretty damn good AFL lists.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Haven’t heard this tune from the Bee Gees for a while, reminded me of the grand final. Thought I’d edit the words a touch:

There's no fight, you can't fight this midfield battle with me
You lose again, so many times, we do nothing not compete
There's no life on earth, no premiership to see me through
You lose again, some never try but if anybody can, we can’t

 

[caesar88]

Haven’t heard this tune from the Bee Gees for a while, reminded me of the grand final. Thought I’d edit the words a touch:

There's no fight, you can't fight this midfield battle with me
You lose again, so many times, we do nothing not compete
There's no life on earth, no premiership to see me through
You lose again, some never try but if anybody can, we can’t

Now why was I singing this like they were the damn actual lyrics

 

[Mister B]

2012 GF was just on Fox. The contrast of desperate, passionate and hard players throwing themselves at the ball for four quarters compared to the lifeless, weak and pathetic efforts we have seen in the last two Grand Finals is pretty dire. If you played both side by side, the only word that I could come up with would be cowardly to describe the efforts of the 2024 players.

 

[LeapingLeo21]

During those years it was a struggle just to survive yet alone put out any sort of team together that had a chance of winning a game yet alone GAMES.

We have completely wasted a decade of being near the top with several literations of pretty damn good AFL lists.

All I'm saying is we have been in a lot worse positions than the one we are in now, it's going to be a lot easier to win a flag with the list we have now than it would have been in the eras I mentioned.

I don't know if the op is 13 years old or 50 years old, so I was just saying there has been a lot of worse periods to be a swans fan, in an effort to make them feel better. (My post obviously didn't come across that way and have pm the poster to apologise for offending)

 

[caesar88]

I think we need to accept that we're likely to never see a team like those Swans teams ever again. I've made my peace that we may never see a Swans team with at least 20 blokes in it all completely committed to the cause and prepared to put their heads over it and bodies on the line to get it done. But FFS I didn't think I was asking a lot to have more than one player like this on the team sheet for a ****ing grand final.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I think we need to accept that we're likely to never see a team like those Swans teams ever again. I've made my peace that we may never see a Swans team with at least 20 blokes in it all completely committed to the cause and prepared to put their heads over it and bodies on the line to get it done. But FFS I didn't think I was asking a lot to have more than one player like this on the team sheet for a ****ing grand final.

If you look through this current list age wise they still have a few disappointments left in them so far the combined margin of both losses is ~140 points LOL..

 

[caesar88]

If you look through this current list age wise they still have a few disappointments left in them so far the combined margin of both losses is ~140 points LOL..

As if winning premierships weren't hard enough, our players have certainly given themselves an extra challenge now. Overcoming those demons won't be easy at all and there's no gimme it will even be done. It's gonna require a complete shift in the mentality and culture of this team.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Mods merge this thread with Draft night

 

[caesar88]

Mods merge this thread with Draft night

For what reason?

The draft night thread was created for the specific purpose of what has unfolded tonight... melts and divided reaction towards our picks.

Best to keep it in there.

 

[kelpie_X]

2012 GF was just on Fox. The contrast of desperate, passionate and hard players throwing themselves at the ball for four quarters compared to the lifeless, weak and pathetic efforts we have seen in the last two Grand Finals is pretty dire. If you played both side by side, the only word that I could come up with would be cowardly to describe the efforts of the 2024 players.

COWARDS! That is the right word to describe them. I think you have just given me closure. Those ****ing cowards! Thank you Mister B