Autopsy Sydney Vs Pies Round 20 2018

[Zarrix]

This game changes nothing really, still have the same stagnant style, coaches still straitjacketing the players. We just got lucky the pies had no matchup for Buddy. Want to see the third quarter style stretched over a whole game, reduce the conservative football. Expect a similar result against Melbourne to the Essendon game last week.

That said, happy we won, but its not suddenly a grand revival of our premiership hopes.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Buddy is still alive. **** Collingwood.

On the game, not great at all but we won and our kids took another step. At least our better players, aside from Buddy, are our younger players.

The top four consists of two average sides in Collingwood and Hawthorn, who have the same amount of games as us and lost to shit teams like we have.

If we fall into the top 6 I’ll take it but who knows, we could finish higher.

After two terrible losses you’ve just got to enjoy a win over Ed’s mob, otherwise you shouldn’t watch another game.

 

[Teaser_]

Franklin the only reason we were competetive.

Bollocks. Allir Allir = Elite Elite!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What's insane to me is seeing your team that's been written off by everybody, beating third on the ladder, with the youngest player in the comp kicking the winner, the best or second best player of his generation playing one of the most dominant games we've seen, and a bloke who's had 5 knee reconstructions and 12 surgeries play his first game in nearly 6 years, and not celebrating it.

If you're not gonna celebrate wins like this why even bother.

Don't even disagree with the Horse criticism, but calling people insane for celebrating a memorable win is way off the mark.

Edit: grammar

Hear, f***ing hear.

 

[Cooma]

Well... we never do it easy do we. I don’t know if it’s game plan or just a young team out of gas or a mix of both.

What I know is we have Melbourne, GWS, and Hawthorne in the next month. Finals footy has started early ladies and gents.

 

[Tedeski]

Reckon we could do with a mitchell to help with the clearances

Do you think we can get him?
No really I want to know if that's possible or do you want to talk about stuff that happens in fantasy footy.

 

[Tedeski]

I was personally relieved when the boundary umpire blew the whistle for out of bounds on the wing with about a minute to go, I thought Sier had kept it in! If play had continued they had players forward of the ball IIRC.

One of the luckier wins I've seen. We have serious issues exiting our back half, it nearly undid all our good work in the third quarter to get back in the game.

We won! That's what you want no?
Move on.
Been reading how bad we are & sack Horse so this has thrown a spanner i n the works on the Swans Board.
I'm expecting a few suspensions get thrown around this week with the disappointment that we won with such an inexperienced list.

 

[Billy Bob65]

Congratulations on the win.

Here are the midfield frequency stats for the match. If you haven't seen one of these posts before, this is an overall summary of how often players are used as one of the starting 5 mids at centre bounces.

There were 24 bounces

Hewett 20
Cunningham 19 wing
Parker 19
Kennedy 18
Florent 13 wing
Heeney 12
Robinson 11 (10w, 1i)
Jack 6 (5w, 1i)
Dawson 2 (1i, 1w

Rucks:
Sinclair 21
Dawson 3

Extra Detail (Trial):

1st Half - 13 Bounces

Cunningham 12 wing
Parker 12
Hewett 11
Kennedy 9
Robinson 6 (5w, 1i)
Jack 5 (4w, 1i)
Florent 4 wing
Heeney 4
Dawson 2 (1i, 1w)

2nd Half - 11 Bounces

Hewett 9
Kennedy 9
Florent 9 wing
Heeney 8
Cunningham 7 wing
Parker 7
Robinson 5 wing
Jack 1 wing

Notes:
- First ever analysed game that Newman has played and hasn't had even a token wing start - this includes games last season where he was playing as a back, rather than a wing.
- Dawson's 2 starts for the game occurred within his first 5 minutes of game time.
- Equal most starts for Robinson in analysed games this season with Rd 8's Hawthorn clash.
- Lowest starts for Florent in analysed games since Rd 13 (6 games analysed since).
- No Papley starts for the first time in a month - he and Hayward still seemed tp be sharing starting off the back of the square at bounces

 

[caesar88]

Positives:
- Every bag brings Buddy closer to 1000.
- Dawson played his best game for the club.
- McVeigh didn’t miss a beat.
- Aliir was great, what a surprise.

Negatives:
- Same crap different week.
- Went straight back to ultra conservative once we got a decent lead and Buddy was feeling it.
- Midfield thrashed; we’ll never win a flag with Sinclair as our ruck.
- Basically all our youngsters were poor tonight. Dawson and Florent were the best of the lot and that’s saying something as neither were spectacular.
- My heart actually aches seeing what has become of players with elite skills like Hewett and Heeney. Soooo scrappy.
- I feel like either Ronke or Hayward need a rest, but it just seems so unfair as they’ve contributed so much to so many wins this year.
- We were ******* lucky to win against a mediocre side. I’m sorry but even with their players all fit they are not a premiership’s arse hole. Wanted to vomit every time I heard about how brave they were. Brave for nearly beating an inexperienced, out of form team with injuries of their own on a ground where they’ve lost more than they’ve won? No thanks. And they can’t use players like Scharenberg, Elliott, Moore, Reid and Wells as excuses. They’re never on the park! That’s like us blaming our missed flags on Reid, AJ and Tippett.
- Win just papered over cracks really. Was not that impressed.

Reality:
- Literally none of it matters because the only thing that mattered is AJ. Played brave and confidently, just as you’d expect from someone with his resilience. So so happy for he and his family and just so glad he got to sing the Swans song once again and add game number 46 to his career. A great bloke!

 

[caesar88]

Im scared when Franklin retires.

We will be better

 

[melbournehammer]

Newman did play well just his mistakes are quite good at standing out

New mans problem - like Matt suckling who he kicks like - is that he takes too long to get the all to his foot when kicking.

In space it's good. Without time and in congestion the round the corner kick is terrible.

 

[melbournehammer]

I think heeney is at the stage now where he needs to learn how to get himself into the game when opposition are putting work into him. Just part of the apprenticeship i suppose

Have a theory about academy players that they're actually fully developed at draft time and have less upside then tac players whose development is actually split between school coaches club coaches and tac coaches and where the player is played is where the recruiters want rather than the more laser like development from one club

 

[melbournehammer]

If the rest of the comp can play first gamers on buddy for the rest of the year we've got a shot. If not we're in a bit of trouble.

It was a real example of what happens when a genuine forward plays on a fifth defender. Hurley plays last night and we are lucky to get to 50 points.

On the other hand it also showed why the preference for Naismith over nankervis was stupid. Had Naismith played we might have evened out the taps more but Sinclair did so much more around the ground and was still smashed. Nank would have smashed some blokes jagged a goal etc.

 

[caesar88]

I just think Heeney is struggling with the transition from a forward (where you can pick and choose your moments to impact a contest or apply pressure) to a midfielder, which basically requires you to be a raging bull for four straight quarters at every possible contest. He still can’t do that and so he’s relying on those ta-da moments like an overhead mark or a goal inside 50. But when those things don’t happen for him (like tonight) he is pretty poor. He may just need a few breakout games to help him see what is required to get the best out of himself.

 

[Neverwas]

I was more conned about Florent, couldn't win a one on one and turned it over almost every time he got it.

I would need to watch again...he was a liability every time he touched the ball I thought....and he touched it too often for my liking!

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[MF]

I just think Heeney is struggling with the transition from a forward (where you can pick and choose your moments to impact a contest or apply pressure) to a midfielder, which basically requires you to be a raging bull for four straight quarters at every possible contest. He still can’t do that and so he’s relying on those ta-da moments like an overhead mark or a goal inside 50. But when those things don’t happen for him (like tonight) he is pretty poor. He may just need a few breakout games to help him see what is required to get the best out of himself.

I think the opposition view him and treat him as our most influential player now so he's dealing with close attention each week.

It's pretty much identical to what happens to all elite mids at some stage. Dusty, danger, Judd, Fyfe etc all learnt to deal with it at a similar age and hopefully Heeney will too.

I just see it as part of his learning process.

 

[Gongswan]

George Hewett, OOF aside, under rated in our team by some. I can see him moving into he middle next yea, taking the load off Kennedy and Parkerto win hte hard ball

 

[mikey_san]

Dawson was also very good.

Florent needs a rest...playing like 2017 ollie

I would play almost anyone ahead of him next week. Florent has spent an entire month, or even move looking physically overwhelmed.
Hayward too.They are both at the point where they are offering little, so Horse's argument he can't afford to rest them is nonsense. He can't afford not to.
Buddy took some contested marks for the 2nd game all year, but this was his best - really looked the goods. The goal where he got it at ground level, turned and on the run put it through was like 2 years ago Buddy. To be fair the Pies defense was missing more than a few after Moore went down - but he took advantage.
This was the first game I've thought Dawson really showed us something. Horse then dragged him off the ball where he was impacting?

Out: Florent, Hayward, Jack (But won't happen)
In: COR, Fox, Foote (might as well see if he's going to offer something) - or Towers

 

[mikey_san]

George Hewett, OOF aside, under rated in our team by some. I can see him moving into he middle next yea, taking the load off Kennedy and Parkerto win hte hard ball

Eh? He's been in the middle all year. Tagging. I think that is what he will be from here. His evasiveness, pace and game sense not quite enough to send him to elite level. I'll take the dedication, guts and hard work in the team every week though thanks.

 

[TheMase]

Out: Florent, Hayward, Jack (But won't happen)
In: COR, Fox, Foote (might as well see if he's going to offer something) - or Towers

Both Foote and COR were out injured this week.

Marsh also did his hammy in the NEAFL warm up. Towers and Fox are about it, the well is dry.

I’d maybe give Hayward a rest and bring in Towers. Florent I would keep as the bigger MCG should suit his game.

 

[TheMase]

Eh? He's been in the middle all year. Tagging. I think that is what he will be from here. His evasiveness, pace and game sense not quite enough to send him to elite level. I'll take the dedication, guts and hard work in the team every week though thanks.

I reckon Hewetts game was underrated, particularly in the second half he was huge for us.

10 clearances, did huge amounts of work winning the ball for us. He is only 22 and getting tagging roles to further his development.

 

[Tuco]

Swans crowd: 39, 238
4 Sydney NRL games: 37445

Fair effort tonight people. Well done.

Great atmosphere at times.

Buddy's late mark in the 4th, and that scrubbed goal were both a roar to remember.

Hope it translated through the box.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

Don't care what the stats say and what that win means for our season - we beat the Pies and JD seriously contributed - it's a good day

 

[Donners]

lol no we won't. Use the game vs Pies as prime example. We are toothless up forward without him.

In his absence we find different routes to goal.

When he missed three games earlier this season, Hayward and Ronke kicked nine each.

 

[TheMase]

Only second time we have won this year with an inside 50 efficiency under 40% (36%) (Brisbane in torrential conditions being the other one).