Recommitted Tom De Koning [Signed until 2025]

[Punts]

TDK tracks very similar to Tim English who is now one of the dominant rucks in the comp, despite looking very ordinary and out of place when he was young.. I expect to see some huge development in his ruck craft as he builds the body and tank to play as a genuine number 1 ruck.. I am not convinced he will ever be a capable stand alone forward.

English dominate?

 

[HTPunter]

TDK tracks very similar to Tim English who is now one of the dominant rucks in the comp, despite looking very ordinary and out of place when he was young.. I expect to see some huge development in his ruck craft as he builds the body and tank to play as a genuine number 1 ruck.. I am not convinced he will ever be a capable stand alone forward.

English finished top 10 in Dogs B&F at 22.

 

[bird_man]

TDK tracks very similar to Tim English who is now one of the dominant rucks in the comp, despite looking very ordinary and out of place when he was young.. I expect to see some huge development in his ruck craft as he builds the body and tank to play as a genuine number 1 ruck.. I am not convinced he will ever be a capable stand alone forward.

English was at least kicking a goal a game at the same age. He was a more than capable forward.

He was also taking close to 5 marks a game compared to TDK's 2

He looked too skinny and weak as a ruckman earlier in his career.

He was also a late developer and in the system a year less than TDK

 

[aussierulesrules]

Sounds eerily similar to Rhys Stanley when he moved from St Kilda to Geelong.

What was he traded for?

Pick 21.

 

[PrinceCharles]

And he hasn't proven to be a threat at all forward. He hasn't kicked a goal and averages two marks a game.

I get he's 23, but he isn't 19. He'll be 24 in a few months time, most of the comps best rucks were ahead of where he's at at the moment.

What would you suppose he'd be worth in a trade?

Trending similarly to English at the same age. Needs to stick more marks but for the most part is a bit of a decoy for McKay and Curnow.

 

[PrinceCharles]

English was at least kicking a goal a game at the same age. He was a more than capable forward.

He was also taking close to 5 marks a game compared to TDK's 2

He looked too skinny and weak as a ruckman earlier in his career.

He was also a late developer and in the system a year less than TDK

English didn't have McKay and Curnow in the forward line to compete with.

 

[bird_man]

English didn't have McKay and Curnow in the forward line to compete with.

He did have Aaron Naughton and Josh Bruce that year who kicked almost 100 goals between them so I think that's a bit of a cop out.

The fact he only averages 2 marks a game is not a great sign that he'd ever become a genuine threat forward.

I did ask earlier, but what do you think he's worth in a trade?

 

[PrinceCharles]

He did have Aaron Naughton and Josh Bruce that year who kicked almost 100 goals between them so I think that's a bit of a cop out.

The fact he only averages 2 marks a game is not a great sign that he'd ever become a genuine threat forward.

I did ask earlier, but what do you think he's worth in a trade?

It's been 3 games, let's check in on his averages after a decent block of games. Nic Nat averages 1.7 marks across his career, not sure why you're obsessing over the marking stats for a ruck.

 

[bird_man]

It's been 3 games, let's check in on his averages after a decent block of games. Nic Nat averages 1.7 marks across his career, not sure why you're obsessing over the marking stats for a ruck.

Nic Nat is very different footballer than TDK, I'm not sure that needs to be explained.

And the average is fairly similar over his career.

Marks are pretty important if he's going to ever become a threat forward like has been suggested.

You obviously aren't going to answer my question, just argue wirh anyone that doesn't value him as a high pick

 

[Jeremias]

Pick 21.

Yep, a first round pick.

Seems a reasonable starting point for any trade discussion, given the $ reportedly on offer.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Nic Nat is very different footballer than TDK, I'm not sure that needs to be explained.

Marks are pretty important if he's going to ever become a threat forward like has been suggested.

You obviously aren't going to answer my question, just argue wirh anyone that doesn't value him as a high pick

You actually haven't said anything though, you just keep changing the goalposts. I've stated my opinion, he's being overhyped, but if he was to leave we'd get more than a second for him, I think most would agree. Anyway, he's about to re-sign so it doesn't matter.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yep, a first round pick.

Seems a reasonable starting point for any trade discussion, given the $ reportedly on offer.

With the money clubs are supposedly offering he’ll be worth a mid first rounder I imagine. We gave Hill a similar contract and he cost us an arm-and-a-leg.

 

[bird_man]

You actually haven't said anything though, you just keep changing the goalposts. I've stated my opinion, he's being overhyped, but if he was to leave we'd get more than a second for him, I think most would agree. Anyway, he's about to re-sign so it doesn't matter.

You continue to quote me yet refuse to answer the simple question. Wouldn't think it was that hard.

No idea how I've changed the goal posts. I've been very consistent with why I think he's not worth a high pick.

He's behind most of the best rucks at the same age. The only good comparison you have is English who played more if a forward role and was actually a threat.

Even Rohan Marshall was out performing him at the same age and it was the first year he's played as a ruckman.

I think the Rhys Stanley comparison is a fair one.

There is a fair chance you do end up getting overs for him though, just due to the ridiculous hype around him. That was the original point I was making though which was that I hope we don't chase him as he is only WORTH a 2nd rounder

 

[PrinceCharles]

You continue to quote me yet refuse to answer the simple question. Wouldn't think it was that hard.

No idea how I've changed the goal posts. I've been very consistent with why I think he's not worth a high pick.

He's behind most of the best rucks at the same age. The only good comparison you have is English who played more if a forward role and was actually a threat.

Even Rohan Marshall was out performing him at the same age and it was the first year he's played as a ruckman.

I think the Rhys Stanley comparison is a fair one.

I've answered your question, I think we would get more than a second for him. Neither of us have any say in the matter though so I'm unsure why you're obsessing over it.

 

[bird_man]

I've answered your question, I think we would get more than a second for him. Neither of us have any say in the matter though so I'm unsure why you're obsessing over it.

Just stating he is worth more than a second isn't answering my question at all

That could be anything from 2 firsts to pick 18

Anyway, no need to keep going around in circles. The kid has a bit of potential but is a fair way behind the best rucks in the comp at 23/24 and a long way behind the best key forwards.

Those are just the facts

 

[PrinceCharles]

Just stating he is worth more than a second isn't answering my question at all

That could be anything from 2 firsts to pick 18

Anyway, no need to keep going around in circles. The kid has a bit of potential but is a fair way behind the best rucks in the comp at 23/24 and a long way behind the best key forwards.

Those are just the facts

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[Jeremias]

 

[bird_man]

FMD that’s a relief

 

[Jeremias]

FMD that’s a relief

Agreed.

If it is true, I am very happy to see him remain in navy blue for a further 2 years, with a contract that likely reflects his output rather than projected value at the end of that contract period.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Doubt he ever considered the Saints.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Look at the money he is reportedly going to be offered. That ain’t second rounder money.

Do we have anyone's word on the money other than Kane Cornes plucking numbers from his rectum?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Do we have anyone's word on the money other than Kane Cornes plucking numbers from his rectum?

According to our 'ITK posters' just under 600k for 2 years to bring him to FA.

 

[Rich01]

Great news for Blues fans and astute by TDKs management. Blues would have coughed up less than market value but more than his current output in worth. Now it’s up to the player himself to prove he’s worthy of a career contract for a couple of years.

 

[bradfisher14]

Can't wait to see the same media types that hyped him up over summer start criticizing him once the deal is announced.

 

[LordLucifer]

Im gonna put you and other Blues fans like Kreuuuzeurns and Elmer_Judd and Arr0w on the spot right now.

TDK is out of contract this season, Its his 6th season this year. Would Carlton throw a 2 year extension at him to make him do his 8 years and becomes a free agent?

Looks like the answer is "yes".