List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Farang83150]

That's surprsing to hear based off the explosive power I saw (minimum footage in fairness). You're talking about Cooper Simpson not George Stevens yeah?

Yeah, everything I've been reading about young Simmo says he's quick.

 

[archiemoses]

Bulldogs gave up 10,17 and their F1

What did we have in our kitbag to better that when the Suns priority was points over future picks so our F1 and our R2 that was about 20 at the time wouldn’t have helped

People were unhappy we were offering our F1 to get Curtin. Would have cost more than our F1 to get 4 who we would have used on Curtin

Fair but we also could have dealt for the 10 that they traded in. Not sure what the crows paid for always.

 

[boondy]

yeah 5 first round picks for North

"Gather Round" that gives a free hit for the 2 SA clubs in exchange for a bucket-load of cash

Fixtures based on one thing only - how much $$ will they bring in

feel free to add more corrupt AFL actions

29 first round picks and only 1 for the bottom club . If Clarko was our coach he would be screaming at the bias and injustice of the equalisation process . He wouldn't call it corruption . Gold Coast handouts already gone too far .

 

[Lia]

Sorry for the intrusion and apologies if this is the wrong thread to write this.

As Saints fans whose team has been in the doldrums for more than a decade, we have been railing for some time about the free dps to North and the lax rules for rugby playing states for NGA's. Turns out we have benefited as we picked up Collard without you being allowed to match.

Wrote the following on our board and almost all agreed....

"Happy we picked up Collard. but it just shows the joke the AFL draft has become. WCE have been as bad or worse than North for three years, North get gifted multiple FRDP's.

WCE need to rebuild as much as North, GCS get something like 5 FRDP's because they are a northern club from basically one FRDP because of NGA's, we get Collard because WCE can't match.

What a farce, what a joke, what a corrupt institution this competition has become with the new woman at the AFL gifting North those free dps when she has just come from there.

WCE supporters should be truly angry at this."

The same will happen to us next year. We have a NGA called Cole who we wont be able to match.

The whole favouritism stinks IMO.

Totally correct.

As for Collard, I like the move from St Kilda's point of view, its brave but sometimes you need to be.

 

[mattyc75]

Going local with Clay Hall at Pick 30 , 190cm midfielder looks like he could be a running brute of a player ..

Should be there at our 3rd pick

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[eagles rule]

29 first round picks is a joke.

One of the better ideas I have heard is that if you want to bid for F/S or academy, then one of the picks you convert for the bid needs to be in the same round. None of this trading picks 46, 47 and 65 for 15 bull$hit.

AFL Rules should have a cap for the Northern academy players to allow only the 1 matched bid per Top 10 ..

 

[ZergMinion]

Yeah good point. But while I don't agree with what North received, priority picks aren't all that common, let alone 3 of them in round 1. And we all know the McKay compensation was a rort.

But F/S and academy happen every year.

North received two future end of R1 picks last year, and another two this year. They traded all of them.

The hand they ended up with this year had the FA component at 3, Ports F1 at 15, and the other two being R1 picks they traded for the future ones. So really none of the picks they took were priority picks if you get technical. Two of them were direct results of pps, but not themselves pps. Some mix of Adelaide, Saints and Carlton had the two from last year probably.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Williams was the 5th highest rated ruck just this season....

BW outshone all our expectations this year. Huge credit to him. But he has been flagged as FWD/Ruck from now and I think he could do quite well in that role.

I would be surprised if St Kilda don’t come for BW in the next couple of years to give Rowan Marshall a chop out. They have said they will target locals in draft and trade and he is from down the road.

Edwards was ranked around the top 10 earlier this year so on talent seems a steal. No idea what the rumors are around him but maybe they explain his slide. At any rate, Flynn is a decent stop-gap for a few years, Barnett may or may not come on and Jamo is not up to it.

English is seeming less likely so developing Barnett and Edwards for the future could be a strong move. Then hopefully still have the option of a mid and a KPP with our remaining picks, keeping in mind all the talk of top end mids next year.

 

[Lia]

I hope the Archie Roberts links aren't true. He may be one of the best available players on talent in round 2 and in another draft I’d be stoked he fell to us, but I just can’t see how he fits a list need? We have so many small/medium defenders on our list already.

Smarter draft watchers have had some cracks on our trade options for tomorrow so I am coming at it from the weird and whacky angle of everything staying the same.. we keep 30 and 40.

The players we all seem to like are KPD ZZ/Murphy and mids Simpson/Freijah. So, who has more of a chance to slide to pick 40?

There are still more tall players leftover after round 1 however I think the majority of teams in between our picks are more interested in taking talls rather than midfielders so I’d pick Murphy or ZZ first and hope Freijah or Simpson drop.

Based on my memory of mock rankings these are the names that are most in contention to be selected between 30-40. About 14 guys in no particular order. I've struck the players we never talked about prior to today and would be fine to see picked by other clubs.
A.Reid - Morris - Murphy - Schoenmaker - Roberts - Jiath - Zakostelsky - M.Edwards - Simpson - Sanchez - Hastie - Freijah - Lual - Delean

WCE - ZZ. Based on posts it seems we prefer him over Murphy? If the draft was a month ago we’d all be popping champagne with Murphy still available here
BL - All reports say they will go tall, likely KD over KF, best available is Murphy in this scenario
GEE - Didn’t go Caddy and selected Sully because Morris would be around these picks
Stk - Have already addressed small fwd and mid likely go tall - Schoenmaker or A.Reid are best available
CAR - Roberts - simply best available. also mentions of Lual
RIC - Already have some building blocks at mid, small fwd and HB. I think they'll go tall Schoenmaker or A.Reid
GEE - M.Edwards or Stephen. Go local midfielder after collecting two talls
COL - M.Edwards or Stephen as ready made mid. Long term ruck option and pies bad boy streak continues
FRE - Go for fwd half needs small Sanchez/Delean or tall Weatherill/Rudd?
ESS - Best available mid. Lean towards Freijah as Simpson is similarly built to shiel, merrett, hobbs and parish. Could go for Lual, Jiath or Hastie here though if they want more HB pace
WCE - Simpson falls just

For me its probably simply a case of seeing more of ZZ than Murphy. Easy to be more biased towards what you know.

 

[plays tall 1]

Surely we need more of these guys developing. Currently we only really have Hough, Chesser, Burgiel and baker developing across the backline and wings. Hough the only one thats really proven himself and he looks more a lock down intercepting back anyway.

Not sure of his testing at the combine but he doesn’t look to have elite speed to me, and if you’re going to be running the ball out of defence at AFL level I think you’d want to have that because most of the small forwards chasing you will have.

In addition to the guys you’ve mentioned we also have Jamaine Jones, Jayden Hunt, Liam Duggan, Tom Cole, Alex Witherden and Josh Rotham. We have a lot of cover in that position, albeit many of them need re-programming to adjust to the run and carry style (and some of them are probably incapable of that).

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The system certainly needs to be improved. No discounts when matching would be a start.

But most years outside the top 12 becomes a massive lottery. Theres a reason why Gothard went 20 picks earlier than predicted and Oscar Ryan went 40 picks earlier than predicted

Not true at all. History shows that there is almost a linear drop off in the value return of draft picks.

Sure there are exceptions but the avearges/median results don't lie

 

[eagles rule]

Should be there at our 3rd pick

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I Don`t think so unless we want a Moir or Tim Kelly scenario that gets pipped at the post ..

 

[bigmikles089]

I Don`t think so unless we want a Moir or Tim Kelly scenario that gets pipped at the post ..

Moir can't be in that discussion with Kelly until we see him play a significant volume of senior football.

 

[eagles rule]

Moir can't be in that discussion with Kelly until we see him play a significant volume of senior football.

I was thinking more along the lines of disappointment to want a certain player on the list only to miss out ..

 

[Mop]

No doubt the system is broken, but the saving grace is there is a surprising amount of suitable quality remaining for us.
It isn't all doom and gloom!

 

[Cuzz09]

Assuming we draft a midfield that can actually win the contested ball this time around, all we need is ruckmen who can break even.

Last generation was too reliant on Nic Nat.

These are my thoughts as well.

You want toughness around the ball, get it forward. Don't reckon you need as many flashy guys in the middle. Save the flashy/clever for fwd line



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[Hoskin300]

Not sure of his testing at the combine but he doesn’t look to have elite speed to me, and if you’re going to be running the ball out of defence at AFL level I think you’d want to have that because most of the small forwards chasing you will have.

In addition to the guys you’ve mentioned we also have Jamaine Jones, Jayden Hunt, Liam Duggan, Tom Cole, Alex Witherden and Josh Rotham. We have a lot of cover in that position, albeit many of them need re-programming to adjust to the run and carry style (and some of them are probably incapable of that).

He ran a 6.05 for the 2km time trial. For reference that time was roughly 10 seconds quicker than Ginbey. Even if he is not in the top 10% for speed he is clearly an elite runner.

All those players you mentioned are aged 25 or older. None are elite and only a few are above average. None of them provide the combo of a great kick and a great runner.

 

[WCEConnor23]

The priority tonight has to be to get ZZ, it's extremely rare to find a key defender with his size and athleticism + he can play. It's not worth the risk waiting till our 3rd pick .

With our 3rd pick i'd be happy with any of Roberts, Simpson, Hall, Sanchez, Freijah. I think we may go for Sanchez after missing out on Collard. He's a potential Cripps replacement who's got scope to become a midfielder similar to Long.

ZZ
Sanchez
De La Rue

 

[CountryLad]

That's surprsing to hear based off the explosive power I saw (minimum footage in fairness). You're talking about Cooper Simpson not George Stevens yeah?

Yeah was Simpson was just what I saw when I watched him, I haven’t seen his combine results.

Stevens is a plodder, Simpson isn’t slow I just didn’t feel he had elite speed with ball in hand but happy to be wrong

 

[Cuzz09]

yeah 5 first round picks for North

"Gather Round" that gives a free hit for the 2 SA clubs in exchange for a bucket-load of cash

Fixtures based on one thing only - how much $$ will they bring in

feel free to add more corrupt AFL actions

MCG rule

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[Cuzz09]

Is three any desisted/ex AFL ready made players in the draft?

Could/would we take a punt on anyone to help bring the kids through?

like Hunt last year?

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[Get_The_Gaff]

We have to come to the realisation that the AFL just don't like us.
They think we are to arrogant by standing on our own two feet, not begging for handouts and keeping our licence out of their hands.
"UP THE COASTERS"

All norfs compo picks to me felt like they were given the capital to trade for Reid .

Norf needed a poster boy

Afl would have been happy with us getting extra late first rounders to fill our roster and get us back up faster .

All that went out the window when we just took Reid.

Afl would be pissed don't expect any favours

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Is three any desisted/ex AFL ready made players in the draft?

Could/would we take a punt on anyone to help bring the kids through?

like Hunt last year?

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Honestly with shuey being development coach , sheed and gaff playing wafl all year we should be alright .

 

[Hoskin300]

Not true at all. History shows that there is almost a linear drop off in the value return of draft picks.

Sure there are exceptions but the avearges/median results don't lie

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Never said it wasn't a linear drop off but actually look at the differences in games played and the amount of games played. 36 games in the 30 to 50 bracket compared to 60 in the 20 to 30 bracket. Pick 22 might on average play like 5 to 10 games more than pick 30. Not to mention 60 games already represents a lottery type of pick. You need 8 picks in the 20 to 30 range to get a 200 game player. That average even improves in the next bracket of pick 30 to 50.

Im not sure how you can argue that beyond the initial elite group, which this was like 14 players this year, it becomes very speculative.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

They have 38 before our 40 so if we want him we will probably have to use 30, which i don't mind.

I thought they traded at the start of the draft before all the picks moved back and our 40 was 37