List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 10

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Trade & Free Agency Dates

Free Agency Period - Friday October 4th 9am to Friday October 11th 5pm

Trade Period - Monday 7th October 9am to Wednesday October 16th 7.30pm

Richmond have been linked to the following players:
Elijah Tsatas
Jai Culley
Jacob Konstanty

 

[Sir_Loin]

don't you mean a sourness lol

No souness the guy was a maniac especially when he planted the galasatary flag in the middle of the pitch on away game against their arch rivals in a final

 

[richoatthedisco]

95% is the minimum cap spend and 105% is the max, providing you only spent the minimum for 2 years prior.

We'll struggle to meet 95% next year if we don't chip in on the contracts of Rioli and/or Bolton. If it can gain us an extra or better pick we'd be mad not to.

It's changing to 90 and 110. Isn't it?

We can bring forward Hooper, Taranto and Short money. We can frontload Balta's new deal. We don't have to pay our players to play for other clubs unless they pay us with picks.

 

[Phar Ace]

I feel like the media is trying to talk down what deals are appropriate for our players. I don’t know, but I am not liking their narrative around both the Shai Bolton and Rioli trades. They’re contracted players.

The Bolton deal should be pick 10 and 11 at a bare minimum. Fremantle do this almost every trade period so they need to start becoming easier to deal with.

The Rioli deal is pick 6 and something else. Maybe not pick 13 if we’re to be honest (Rioli is not worth more than Bolton), but a second-rounder or third rounder should be fine IMO. Or, we can get pick 6 and pick 13 and give them something else of value in return (like pick 24 or whatever our first second-rounder is + another pick).

The narrative around Baker being a pick in the teens sounds about right. I’d be happy with a deal like that.

Also, the laugh I’ll laugh if we get Band 1 compensation for Jack Graham I doubt it though. Hoping for an end-of-first draft.

All salient points - end of Round 1 or Round 2 compo is matter a one or more spots (depends on other compos) so it should be either. End of Round 2 (Band 4) seems harsh, but we don't know what his new deal is other than 4 years.

 

[tigs2010]

Bailey would nominate for the National Draft, not the PSD. And given the strength of the draft... he'll get to Geelong. Dogs can be filthy all they like - and totally justifiable - but its not the Cats fault. It's Bailey's. Bailey has right royally dogged them - he knew he was leaving 12-months ago. Compare Baker scenario... Baker went to WCE and told them he's willing to come only if fairly compensated. Bailey pissed on the floor on the way out.

This is a good result too. Bring all our picks after 17 in by 1 if Geelong are using it on Bailey rather than Dogs on a kid.

In the end Dogs will take that pick and maybe something a little extra and move on.

 

[Sir_Loin]

You don't overpay list players because front-loaded contracts hurt the club in the medium term.
1) You overpay players coming out of contract, pissing off the contracted players
2) You overpay young players, paying for potential rather than performance
3) Front loaded contracts lead to the player getting "homesick" when the back-end pay-cut hits.

If we pay our list appropriately in 2025, we'll have a lot of young talent on low (draft) contracts and a lot of role players happy to be playing and getting paid. As many others have said, we'll struggle to hit 90% of the salary cap in 2025 and (in particular) 2026.

Rather than overpay, get to the 90% minimum threshold by paying Rioli and Shai. Get better draft picks in return. Those salary deals roll off after 2-3 years and we're in a good spot.

Don’t need to do any of that what’s the source of us having to salary dump?

 

[Groupie_]

Bolton should go, he's the icing on a cake. We don't have a cake to start with, so no point having icing.

early games and the way we played against sydney when we had no injuries suggest we have a cake

you're judging a team that had a million players unavailable during the entire season

louie was our biggest problem

 

[tigers12]

the thing i don't understand with the salary cap why do we have to pay nearly the full cap when you have a list of inexperienced players why do we have to pay big money to them

 

[Roksman]

Economy gonna come to a halt if you campaigners keep listening to trade radio all day

I don't understand why people listen.

All trades a reported on twitter before trade radio anyway. Trade radio is just ads and terrible ex players talking crap for money.

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's changing to 90 and 110. Isn't it?

We can bring forward Hooper, Taranto and Short money. We can frontload Balta's new deal. We don't have to pay our players to play for other clubs unless they pay us with picks.

Even then they’re contracted we don’t have to stump up anything

 

[energyquant]

Don’t need to do any of that what’s the source of us having to salary dump?

It's not a salary dump. It's trading our spare capacity under the salary cap for better draft picks.

The problem is simple. We need to spend 90% of the salary cap in 2025 and 2026. Looking at 2026, how would you do that?

 

[rfctigerarmy]

early games and the way we played against sydney when we had no injuries suggest we have a cake

you're judging a team that had a million players unavailable during the entire season

louie was our biggest problem

Agree louie was our biggest problem, but you're overrating our list and the actual desire to succeed. We gotta move on some of these players because they've already seen success and it's all 'getting to hard' for them to carry the team.

Fresh blood & enthusiasm is what we need from a psychological point of view.

 

[SunshineBoy]

For all you nervous nellies, Walls said that if they had 3 x 1st round picks then they'd consider moving one into next year.

Get a grip peeps!

Is he related to our ex coach walls?

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's not a salary dump. It's trading our spare capacity under the salary cap for better draft picks.

The problem is simple. We need to spend 90% of the salary cap in 2025 and 2026. Looking at 2026, how would you do that?

Pay the list

 

[Groupie_]

Agree louie was our biggest problem, but you're overrating our list and the actual desire to succeed. We gotta move on some of these players because they've already seen success and it's all 'getting to hard' for them to carry the team.

Fresh blood & enthusiasm is what we need from a psychological point of view.

we can have that and keep bolton

12 and 18 are a shite return for bolton

 

[rfctigerarmy]

I don't understand why people listen.

All trades a reported on twitter before trade radio anyway. Trade radio is just ads and terrible ex players talking crap for money.

Agreed, it's not like the old SEN days where they'd break the news first.

 

[4tune8]

Is he related to our ex coach walls?

Think he's his son

 

[rfctigerarmy]

we can have that and keep bolton

12 and 18 are a shite return for bolton

I know what you mean, the potential return for Bolton mightn't be great based on how we know he can change a game.

But, think about it from what actual value we get out of him if we're dwindling down the bottom? Yeah he might take a hanger and bag 3 a few times a year, but we'll still be 12th-18th for most of the rest of his prime career.

 

[DickieKnee]

but not so sure about bolton

Yeah Bolton's a deadset gun. We gotta make sure we get a great trade from Freo if he goes.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Think he's his son

Yeah I think so think I saw some Hungry Jacks stains on his hoody. This will be a cake walk

 

[Lsta062]

This trade period sucks.... Freo want their cake and want to stick their big shiny anchors in it at the same time.

** them and ** dimma too

Fremantle have been like this for a while now and people are now seeing them for what they are. Every deal for a good player is a fight with them. Either that or the other team relents and they walk away with an awesome deal. They’re going to build a reputation if this keeps going.

The way I see it, the difficult clubs to deal with are Fremantle, Geelong, Essendon, St Kilda, GWS, and Western Bulldogs. Always want to get one over the other team.
The last two times we dealt with one of these six clubs, we got played. GWS were laughing with the deal they got for Hopper. St Kilda is enjoying the services of talented Jack Higgins for unders.

I hope we stand our ground this time. You want a contracted and talented player? Pay the value. Really want picks 10, 11, and 18, but at least offer a minimum pick 10 and 11 for Bolton.

If Fremantle trade that pick 11 away to Melbourne, it’s done. We’ll look at what West Coast have to offer, or keep him for another year. I really don’t mind keeping Bolton for another year tbh. Fremantle can come to us properly next year if Bolton wants to leave again, or we can exclusively deal with West Coast. We shouldn’t allow them to corner us with a crap deal.

 

[sregit]

GC need picks for next year.
If we could get 6 & 13 id offer a F2 with Rioli.
We can always trade back into next years draft

This is probably the best way to get pick 13 or we can easily pickup Brisbane F1 and possibly offer it and our F3.

 

[GoTigers2015]

95% is the minimum cap spend and 105% is the max, providing you only spent the minimum for 2 years prior.

We'll struggle to meet 95% next year if we don't chip in on the contracts of Rioli and/or Bolton. If it can gain us an extra or better pick we'd be mad not to.

Front end Noah Balta's contract.

 

[Wally Matera]

That would be gold if true. This is what will happen.

We get to the Graham pick (wherever that falls) and multiple clubs are salivating at a handful of players remaining on the draft board - there’ll be really highly rated players still there.

We will hear the ‘ring a ding’ of the trade bell, and hear “Richmond has traded pick-25 for Freo’s pick-30 and a F2.”

Then it gets to pick-30 and ring-a-ding of the trade bell again “Richmond has traded pick-30 to Carlton for pick-34 and a F2”.

So Jack Graham turns into pick-34 and 2 x F2’s. Which in 2025 we then trade to GC in a point swap for their first pick of 2025 - pick 12.

So Graham turns into pick-12 of the 2025 draft.

This or something similar will happen on draft night - there is too much quality depth for clubs to miss out, and we’d already have taken half a dozen players we love and can afford to slide, but other clubs can’t.

2024 draft gonna be epic. Bookmark it !


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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.... and why holding all our picks is absolutely essential for draft night. We could own the entire 2nd round of the draft next year.

 

[Lsta062]

All salient points - end of Round 1 or Round 2 compo is matter a one or more spots (depends on other compos) so it should be either. End of Round 2 (Band 4) seems harsh, but we don't know what his new deal is other than 4 years.

Yeah exactly. End of Round 1 or a second Round pick is fine with me. I’m expecting it to be higher than Band 4 at least, but you’re right, we don’t know what his deal is.

With the compensation teams are getting so far, it seems they’re being quite generous. Could work in our favour given our 18th-placed finish. I’m excited to see.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Yeah Bolton's a deadset gun. We gotta make sure we get a great trade from Freo if he goes.

Yeah, you're right. Groupie_ is right too.

We want some good farkin picks for Bolton because his worth is high for sure.

He could literally be the difference for Freo winning a flag.