List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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Wut? Why would they do that? They need points this year. Even if they didnt, that's a horrific deal for Lions.

33, 39 & 41 is 1421 points, equivalent to pick 10. Lions have Ashcroft and Marshall that they need to match bids on. By not taking their 2024 R1 pick it puts them in position to match both this year, but we get rewarded for helping them do that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If we trade pick one it will be the end of Blair.


If I were Norf and Richmond took FOS at 1, I'd be bidding on both Ashcroft and Lombard at 2. Lombard is as good or better than Draper.

If Norf didn't do it, good chance West Coast would given they're one of the most vocal critics of the Northern academies, and that Lombard would suit them to a tee.

After last year's haul I don't think any clubs are keen for the Suns to pay unders again.

Agree fully on Lombard. He could get a very early bid and is a player worthy of it. Even if it is considered unlikely, it is a pretty big risk for Suns to retain pick 5. There is only one way they can absolutely guarantee getting ahead of a Lombard bid, and that is get pick 1(or pick 2 with an undertaking from the Tigers not to bid.)

I don't necessarily share your view on pick 1. That part depends on what you get in return.

 

[Mr Magic]

If Bolton asks for a trade for family reasons, we won’t be keeping him imo. And I agree we should release him, but….. cost needs to be high for the suitor as his talent is off the charts, especially in a good side.
Will be interesting to see what Blair manages to extract for not only Shai if he’s traded, but any of the others potentially seeking new pastures.

no, we help Bolton with his family issues professionally and if the club cannot do that, sack club staff and replace them with competent people. This is not about outsourcing mismanagement if it comes down to this

this is not about the tail wagging the dog with encouragement

 

[TigerTime88]

Apparently these are our targets

1. Jai Culley (West Coast Eagles): Known for his strong presence on the field, Culley could be a valuable addition to Richmond’s midfield.
2. Elijah Tsatas (Essendon): A rising star, Tsatas could provide the Tigers with much-needed dynamism and skill.
3. Dan Houston (Port Adelaide): Houston’s defensive capabilities and versatility make him a strong candidate to reinforce Richmond’s backline.
4. Will Phillips (North Melbourne): Phillips brings a blend of speed and agility that could enhance Richmond’s midfield options.
5. Ash Johnson (Collingwood): Johnson’s goal-scoring ability and athleticism could significantly boost Richmond’s forward line.

As Richmond moves forward, the integration of new talent will be essential to their ambitions. The team is expected to make strategic moves that align with their long-term goals, ensuring a competitive edge in future seasons.

I seriously hope those aren't the targets. Phillips and Tsatas at bargain basement prices maybe.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Dimma ain’t gonna sit back and allow his team to be sh*te again in 2025. He will sell the farm even more than ever for Rioli.

If push for their pick-12 and a F1, with us handing back a F3. They are not giving pick-5 as Lombard won’t be bid on before that.

Guarantees us a great draft hand next year and we will get a very highly rated kid at 12 this year.

12 and a F1 is huge overs for a 28yo.


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5 and 12 or gtfo we owe them nothing

 

[Ctl]

Taranto won the Jack Dyer Medal in his debut season at the club; I would not class Taranto as an unsuccessful acquisition.

The jury is out for Hopper, 2025 will be the make-or-break season, with the departures of Rioli, Bolton and Baker.

They have been a failure imo, they were brought in to propel us back into the top 4 and contend for a premiership. We misjudged the list and they have instead slowed the rebuild and delayed the regeneration and bottoming out process by 2 years

 

[tiger_tough]

33, 39 & 41 is 1421 points, equivalent to pick 10. Lions have Ashcroft and Marshall that they need to match bids on. By not taking their 2024 R1 pick it puts them in position to match both this year, but we get rewarded for helping them do that.

Yeah but their 1st round pick this year would just get eaten up matching a bid anyway. Why would they effectively lose 2x 1st round picks when they could just trade this year's for enough points and keep next years?

 

[richoatthedisco]

If there is no clear cut #1 then why care if we trade #1 when we are seemingly as good a chance to get the better player at #5 as we are at #1 - and in fact may get our first preference at #5 anyway …. If we can parlay #1 into 5 and another first rounder this year or next I’d suggest this year seems the perfect year to do it.

#1 has no value if there is a blanket over the first half dozen picks.


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There is a standout.

I don't necessarily share your view on pick 1. That part depends on what you get in return.

You get Finn O’Sullivan

 

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Yeah but their 1st round pick this year would just get eaten up matching a bid anyway. Why would they effectively lose 2x 1st round picks when they could just trade this year's for enough points and keep next years?

They need points to match Ashcroft and Marshall of they go into deficit next year, so we make the deal that gets them points that allows them to match both and get to add another R1 pick for 2025, while having up to half a dozen this year already.

 

[panatha1908]

Dimma ain’t gonna sit back and allow his team to be sh*te again in 2025. He will sell the farm even more than ever for Rioli.

If push for their pick-12 and a F1, with us handing back a F3. They are not giving pick-5 as Lombard won’t be bid on before that.

Guarantees us a great draft hand next year and we will get a very highly rated kid at 12 this year.

12 and a F1 is huge overs for a 28yo.


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What did freo get for schultz?

 

[Noidnadroj]

There's no Harley Reid, but this statement just isn't true.

I should’ve said has no great value to ‘us’ if we have a blanket over top-6, and we may as well trade it to the highest bidder.

What is the value of keeping it if we have a blanket over top-6 and can get 6 and another first rounder for it?

Maybe I’m missing something?


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[Noidnadroj]

because there is a clear cut 1 and 2 etc.., it is just BS

Who is the clear cut #1 and clear cut #2?


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[tigerfan1961]

Who is the clear cut #1 and clear cut #2?


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Our recruiters would know.

 

[tiger_tough]

They need points to match Ashcroft and Marshall of they go into deficit next year, so we make the deal that gets them points that allows them to match both and get to add another R1 pick for 2025, while having up to half a dozen this year already.

I'd say we'll just give them enough points so they don't go into deficit for their first pick this year though? We can always do a live trade on the night to get them Marshall points depending where the bid comes in.

No chance Lions give up a F1 for the sake of matching Marshall IMO.

 

[Noidnadroj]

What did freo get for schultz?

What a team ‘gets’ and what they were traded for are completely different things. Pies were ‘expecting’ Schulz to cost around pick 15 and 34 - a top-4 finish expected.

Just like we ‘expected’ Hopper to cost around pick-15 and 31, with 2 later picks back… but we went from an expected finals spot to sh*te.

So 12 and a F1 from GC is expected to be 12 and 10. If GC are sh*te again it could be 12 and 6.


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I'd say we'll just give them enough points so they don't go into deficit for their first pick this year though? We can always do a live trade on the night to get them Marshall points depending where the bid comes in.

No chance Lions give up a F1 for the sake of matching Marshall IMO.

To do live trades we need to have enough list spots open to take those late picks into the draft. Before the draft we don't need to have those spots available, so trade them early and get the deal done. Lions will lose that 2025 first pick of they don't have enough points to match, so we get on the front foot and target that pick.

As I said with the other deals we're a chance of doing we'll have enough 2024 R1 picks so won't need to add another 1, but adding 1 to 2025 should be an aim this off season with our current situation

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Current picks 1, 21, 33, 39, 41, 51, 57, 65, 73

Graham to WCE for band 3 compo = 22

33, 39 & 41 to Brisbane for 2025 R1 pick

Rioli to Suns for 5, straight up. Daniel isn't worth pick 5 but given he is contracted until 2027 that's the price is the Suns want him, take it or leave it.

Baker to WCE for 2024 & 2025 R2 picks = 23(2024) & 19-22 range for 2025

Bolton to Fremantle for 9 & 13. Understand that people want 3 R1 picks, but no club is going to give up 3 picks for him. Take the 2 R1 picks and move on especially if he doesn't want to be here.

Trade 51, 57 65 & 73 to a club needing points to match a bid in the 30s like Carlton or Adelaide

Head to draft with 1, 5(?), 9, 13, 21, 22 & 23, plus our 2025 R1, Brisbane 2025 R1, our 2025 R2, WCE 2025 R2.

Please apply for the Bombers list manager role. You'll keep them out of the finals for anther 20 years.

Its our turn to be campaigners in trade week and we absolutely should be.

5 is not enough for Rioli
x2 2nd rounders not enough for Baker; and
Its x3 1st rounders for Bolton and the Graham compo back.
Trade points for Brisbane's 1st rounder.

We end up with 8 1st rounders. We then trade our 1st pick in the 2nd round for a 1st rounder next year.

 

[Bojangles17]

Please apply for the Bombers list manager role. You'll keep them out of the finals for anther 20 years.

Its our turn to be campaigners in trade week and we absolutely should be.

5 is not enough for Rioli
x2 2nd rounders not enough for Baker; and
Its x3 1st rounders for Bolton and the Graham compo back.
Trade points for Brisbane's 1st rounder.

We end up with 8 1st rounders. We then trade our 1st pick in the 2nd round for a 1st rounder next year.

First time I’ve agreed with you ,,,,we keep on telling GC to gagf until they cough up we know they desperately want him, and we also know how much they’ve cornholed sides when they’ve had whip hand ,,,for uncontracted players I might add , prestia and o meara

 

[theflea#3]

They have been a failure imo, they were brought in to propel us back into the top 4 and contend for a premiership. We misjudged the list and they have instead slowed the rebuild and delayed the regeneration and bottoming out process by 2 years

Respectfully disagree, and whilst Hopper has been hampered by injury I reckon there’s decent footy ahead of we get our fitness regime sorted. And who would have you taken instead? Noting that the last few drafts since covid have been sub standard, particularly in the range that we would have access to, due to the interrupted development pathways and apart from Weddle I see no better outcomes - happy to be corrected.
We also couldn’t foreshadow the injuries, especially to Lynch who makes such a difference & the GOAT Dusty never recovered from that kidney hit, & the rest.
With an injection of young talented midfielders like FOS, Jagga, Langford, etc I reckon TT & Hoppers value will be realised.
I actually think we have been kissed on the pecka bottoming out now with access to this crop of talent, the draft capital we’ve accumulated & pre-Tassie, and enough experience left to cut hard and rebuild harder.
* langford looking solid in the vfl,still a FOS man tho due to his impact

 

[Lord of the Wings]

First time I’ve agreed with you ,,,,we keep on telling GC to gagf until they cough up we know they desperately want him, and we also know how much they’ve cornholed sides when they’ve had whip hand ,,,for uncontracted players I might add , prestia and o meara

They paid pick 2 for Lachie Weller FFS. We should get x2 top 10s for Rioli in that case

 

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Please apply for the Bombers list manager role. You'll keep them out of the finals for anther 20 years.

Its our turn to be campaigners in trade week and we absolutely should be.

5 is not enough for Rioli
x2 2nd rounders not enough for Baker; and
Its x3 1st rounders for Bolton and the Graham compo back.
Trade points for Brisbane's 1st rounder.

We end up with 8 1st rounders. We then trade our 1st pick in the 2nd round for a 1st rounder next year.

What are you wanting for Rioli?

2 x R2 picks for Baker values him between 6-10 which many would happily take straight up, but the Eagles don't have a pick in that range and are unlikely to split pick 3 to get it.

If Bolton wants out, take the Dockers first 2 picks in the draft and move on. 3 x R1 picks are for the truly elite level players and Bolton isn't one unfortunately.

As I said previously, if we've got multiple R1 picks this year we don't need the Lions R1 pick this year, I'd ask for their 2025 R1 pick and give us 4 picks inside the first 2 rounds in 2025 to go with the haul we may have this year.

 

[Tigerbob]

Please apply for the Bombers list manager role. You'll keep them out of the finals for anther 20 years.

Its our turn to be campaigners in trade week and we absolutely should be.

5 is not enough for Rioli
x2 2nd rounders not enough for Baker; and
Its x3 1st rounders for Bolton and the Graham compo back.
Trade points for Brisbane's 1st rounder.

We end up with 8 1st rounders. We then trade our 1st pick in the 2nd round for a 1st rounder next year.

If we only get pick 5 for Rioli, our footy staff should be marched out.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Fawcett is slower than Susan Boyle over 20m!

 

[French Tiger]

Fawcett is slower than Susan Boyle over 20m!

But can he sing ?


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[Lord of the Wings]

Put Pickett on the ball FFS! Morris is dumb as dog shit