List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 4

[matt_y106]

I think Mitchell could play well for a few years, happy to take punt on a proven elite ball winner, ready to go for flag tilt vs 50/50 punt of picking a good player with pick 15 who will take 3 yrs to be good, by then Dusty, Cotch, JR8, Edwards are all long gone.

Dusty has 5 years minimum


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[Grrr]

Miller is a totally unproven player after 4 seasons. He has gone from the list proper to a rookie spot hes probably lucky to still be on our list. on top of that he has not warranted a game in those 4 seasons despite injuries instead they chose to play a very underwhelming Garthwaite. They gave him a token game in the last round after the dust had settled. FMD grrr why worry about Miller looking else where when common sense says no one in their right mind will pick him up except maybe as a rookie.

Look im okay with keeping him its not as if we are overflowing with big defenders but imo it is way past time we used a decent pick to draft a more promising player.

I have no problems with Tarrant. i have no problems with keeping Miller and Nyuon. my problem is my brain says we had better not be putting our long term future in miller when everything says he is more likely to fail than succeed hence the need to expend a good pick on a young kpd.

We keep Miller and Nyuon we add Tarrant who is clearly ready to go and we draft a decent kpd with a good pick in the big chance that Miller or Nyuon dont make it.

If we take talls with late picks then we had better be expecting a large percentage of them failing you take lots of them and hope we get that odd diamond in rough.That is exactly where we are at with Garthwaite, Miller and Nyuon.

He has warranted a game. When a 198cm back gets 24 possessions in a VFL game you'd think he might have been given a game. His one game was not a token game, he missed the previous 2 or 3 with injury, hence Garth playing. You yourself were scathing of the match committee when he wasn't getting a game when Astbury went down. Nor did Garth.

Miller has been kept on for a reason, with his athletic attributes and good kick he has the ability to play tall on players like the King brothers. We have nobody else other than Balta, and do we want to use Balta as a defensive back. Suddenly Tarrant comes on the scene, good pick up sure, if he can stay fit at 33.

I only worry about Miller because if he goes elsewhere (or get's delisted), then we have Garth as backup. Every other 30+ year old we have got injured last year, not wildly hypothetical that Tarrant might. I don't understand the reticence of backing in Miller. We did with Broad who didn't look like much when he started. Even Astbury was out the door in his early years.

I am a big believer in backing youth, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but after such a crap season, we don't have much choice I think.

 

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Pies want Lapinski as well .
How are they going to have enough picks with Daicos points situation ?

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Nice of us to hand them Naish for free

 

[tigerfan1961]

He has not warranted a game. When a 198cm back gets 24 possessions in a VFL game you'd think he might have been given a game. His one game was not a token game, he missed the previous 2 or 3 with injury, hence Garth playing. You yourself were scathing of the match committee when he wasn't getting a game when Astbury went down. Nor did Garth.

Miller has been kept on for a reason, with his athletic attributes and good kick he has the ability to play tall on players like the King brothers. We have nobody else other than Balta, and do we want to use Balta as a defensive back. Suddenly Tarrant comes on the scene, good pick up sure, if he can stay fit at 33.

I only worry about Miller because if he goes elsewhere (or get's delisted), then we have Garth as backup. Every other 30+ year old we have got injured last year, not wildly hypothetical that Tarrant might. I don't understand the reticence of backing in Miller. We did with Broad who didn't look like much when he started. Even Astbury was out the door in his early years.

I am a big believer in backing youth, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but after such a crap season, we don't have much choice I think.

And yet, he’s still unsigned and has been all year? Perhaps the list manager and recruiters are yet to be convinced he will make it. Fwiw, I hope they sign him up again and give him more opportunity

 

[Moppey]

Maybe but they have two no.1 draft picks types, key forwards incoming.

Naughton could be a Rance type for them if he goes back down to chb.

That said JUM would be handy as a key defender with his skill set.

Doggies are stacked. Fancy Collingwood paying treloar to play for them

And how did they become stacked oh thats right they used damn good picks on kpp's. We also did at one stage a long time ago.

The simple fact is if all we use on talls is late nd picks and rookie picks we are most likely going to have to turn over plenty of talls to find a few good ones and we dont tend to load up in this way.

Like most on here i dont know much about most of the players in the ND but with the picks we have we have an opportunity to take best available with pick 7 a mid probably. But with 15 we also have the opportunity to target a kpp who is actually rated around that pick. They won't be there at our next pick imo. Alex rance 18 Balta 25 even Riewoldt 13 are around that pick it shows what can be had. We then have some very good picks inside 30 to further bolster our midfield iff thats what they want.

Still think going hard for the dogs pick 17 gives us the best of both worlds where we can bolster the mids with two very good picks say 7 and 17 and bolster the talls with two very good picks inside the top 26 with say 15 and 26.

 

[Marcel Proust]

And how did they become stacked oh thats right they used damn good picks on kpp's. We also did at one stage a long time ago.

The simple fact is if all we use on talls is late nd picks and rookie picks we are most likely going to have to turn over plenty of talls to find a few good ones and we dont tend to load up in this way.

Like most on here i dont know much about most of the players in the ND but with the picks we have we have an opportunity to take best available with pick 7 a mid probably. But with 15 we also have the opportunity to target a kpp who is actually rated around that pick. They won't be there at our next pick imo. Alex rance 18 Balta 25 even Riewoldt 13 are around that pick it shows what can be had. We then have some very good picks inside 30 to further bolster our midfield iff thats what they want.

Still think going hard for the dogs pick 17 gives us the best of both worlds where we can bolster the mids with two very good picks say 7 and 17 and bolster the talls with two very good picks inside the top 26 with say 15 and 26.

It helps when you get pick 1 calibre KPPs essentially for free

Their midfield is based around top 10 picks - bont, macrae, smith.

Petracca. Oliver. Brayshaw drafted in the first four pick of their draft...

 

[Grrr]

And yet, he’s still unsigned and has been all year? Perhaps the list manager and recruiters are yet to be convinced he will make it. Fwiw, I hope they sign him up again and give him more opportunity

Or perhaps he is wanting out, equally valid point.

 

[Antzzz]

Lols hutchy is an anti tigers moron who knows stuff all about footy... the two players he is comparing are totally different types of players. We don't require houli anymore because we have guys like stacky who can fill his position. KPD players like tarrant are a dime a dozen, take years to develop their craft and are worth taking a punt on. This is what happens when you have afl sycophants like him masquerading as sports journalists, they spew absolute crap.

Hutchy is a grub of the highest order … total piece is shit

 

[Moppey]

On Van Rooyen i have seen him play just twice and i like the look of him from such a small base. Most here in wa rate him highly and he is versatile he has played back as well as fwd. From highlights and snippets and what reports i can get and from people i know he is well worth taking at pick 15.

Let me make it clear my opinion on Van Rooyen is based on not a lot of what ive actually seen its based on the little ive seen but what i have seen and gathered on him i like a lot that and the fact he is so highly rated by a lot of people who have seen him.

The key to me is he seems to be rated highly at around the pick we have by so many. If there is a better tall option then id say we would be crazy not to take it.

On his kicking i have not seen anything to really concern me but hey im just an amateur like the rest of you lot. Even good kicks have games where they butcher it its more about what is the norm isn't it. I havent seen enough to know what is the norm and i doubt many on here have.



From snippetts and talk the one to get is Amiss but he won't get to pick 15 from all reports.

The other kpp i like is 195cm Bazzo a kpd and he has been great lately he has probably played himself into the top 20 if he is there at 26 id be all over him.

Geez look at the list we get a highly rated long term GENUINE KPF and no can argue thats badly needed we get a highly rated long term KPD which is needed when you look at the offerings of Miller and Garthwate to date.
We also hopefully target two quality mids who can help fix our ball winning and clearance work which is badly needed based on this year. All picks inside 26.

 

[partycorolla]

I would hope that with our haul of draft picks, we work hard to get improve our hand at next year's draft as well. Priority would probably be getting Dogs first pick this year but if not, then hopefully work with Pies to give them some points and get a pick of theirs from 2022 perhaps.

 

[From45SlightAngle]

He's a natural defender, but Balta is the exact type we need as a KPF.

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[RJKTiger]

Dusty has 5 years minimum


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not sold on that. 2 years of lockdowns away from his Dad, now this serious internal injury - seems to have found some love too - I think 3 years, tops

 

[tiger_tough]

Rumors Elliot Yeo

6

Elliot Yeo

Age

31

Ht

191cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.5

5star

MG

377.9

5star

D

18.9

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

5.8

5star

MG

287.4

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.6

3star

is open to a move. He's a star. Wonder if we'd be interested.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Rumors Elliot Yeo is open to a move. He's a star. Wonder if we'd be interested.

Would absolutely love him with us
Type of hard nosed mid we could use, unsure what he would cost but

 

[Sir_Loin]

Rumors Elliot Yeo is open to a move. He's a star. Wonder if we'd be interested.

absolute gun. Will be on massive coin though

 

[Mr Magic]

How do the points system work?

According to a points table in the past pick 44 and pick 18 equals about pick 17/18 of the Bulldogs. Is this still relevant?

We could trade a future second to get a second this year and trade to them to I suppose as part of a pick combination

Another option is to trade a combination of 26, 28, 40 or 44 for Adelaide's pick 4. Adelaide can then trade for Bulldogs first pick if they desire becasue Adelaide also have pick 37

 

[daird]

Doesn't Yeo have ongoing groin issues or OP?

 

[Mr Magic]

Doesn't Yeo have ongoing groin issues or OP?

I think he is too expensive.

Would only entertain as a FA in 2023 that was not matched

In terms of list management we cannot afford to give up picks for him and expect to stay competitive similar to Mitchell.

Apart from moneyball value options and FA the main option for us to realistically still be able to contend over the journey is through the draft gaining from the natural value of draftee development

 

[Nebular]

Anyone heard anything about Raynor to us?

 

[Disco_Stu]

Yeah, I have.

I must admit, it was just a moment ago.

 

[Tygrys]

Exactly thats a coach killer and a good way to destroy a list which is why the Hawks are desperate to offload him.

Dunstan would be a better option without thinking too hard.

Mitchell has never won a premiership, maybe there is a reason for that

Actually the whole idea of Mitchell is really funny when you think about it.

Hawks draft after draft ignore youth and try and extend their dynasty by trading away first rounders to other clubs. Opposite happens and they plummet down the ladder. They realise then they should have gone to the draft all along.

They then try to offload those very same players by telling us 'look we know it didn't work for us, but trust us, it's gonna work for you - first rounder please'. LOL I mean seriously next we''ll have people telling us that we should exchange draft picks for Shaun Higgins or Isaac Smith.

And yes if we have to go down that road Dunstan would be a far better option got 11 Brownlow votes, has a lot to prove and would cost us nothing.

 

[Mr Magic]

Actually the whole idea of Mitchell is really funny when you think about it.

Hawks draft after draft ignore youth and try and extend their dynasty by trading away first rounders to other clubs. Opposite happens and they plummet down the ladder. They realise then they should have gone to the draft all along.

They then try to offload those very same players by telling us 'look we know it didn't work for us, but trust us, it's gonna work for you - first rounder please'. LOL I mean seriously next we''ll have people telling us that we should exchange draft picks for Shaun Higgins or Isaac Smith.

And yes if we have to go down that road Dunstan would be a far better option got 11 Brownlow votes, has a lot to prove and would cost us nothing.

Didn't Geelong trade for Higgins I think pick 32 or something? amazing

 

[SleepingGiant]

Actually the whole idea of Mitchell is really funny when you think about it.

Hawks draft after draft ignore youth and try and extend their dynasty by trading away first rounders to other clubs. Opposite happens and they plummet down the ladder. They realise then they should have gone to the draft all along.

They then try to offload those very same players by telling us 'look we know it didn't work for us, but trust us, it's gonna work for you - first rounder please'. LOL I mean seriously next we''ll have people telling us that we should exchange draft picks for Shaun Higgins or Isaac Smith.

And yes if we have to go down that road Dunstan would be a far better option got 11 Brownlow votes, has a lot to prove and would cost us nothing.

Post of the year. Might add Narkle to the list, he will stop a rampaging Melbourne in their tracks.

 

[Damo80]

5 years, including this year. I understand the desire for Tarrant, and yes it's a supposition that he might want to leave. But no so far fetched.

Drafted in the 2017 ND, been on the list for 2018, 19, 20 & 21 seasons (4 seasons total).

He may want to leave. He may realise he hasn't been ready to this point, and be prepared to stay and earn his spot. The club may decide to let him go thinking he just won't make it. We don't know.

For the record, I think he has the tools, and would love to see him stay and get games. I reckon ideally 8 to 10 games, with Tarrant maybe being managed here and there (not to mention potential injury cover, and matchup driven selections).

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[tiger_tough]

They said on trade radio earlier we will trade for tarrant so it doesn't affect the chol compo. Pick in the 60s or 70s