List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[NZ_Tiger]

I'm starting to get really concerned with all the 'smoke' around here. A lot of rumours about us trading out picks 7 & 15 to move up a few spots in the draft. I feel this would be a HUGE mistake.

More than any other draft, beyond 4, the draftees are really a lottery based on exposed form. I think we are almost as likely to find a star at pick 28 as we are at 6. The players ability is just not as clear as they normally are, even with a amazing recruiting team like we have. If there was any year when having 5 players in the top 30 rather than a few in the top 20, its this year. The difference and certainty of selection is just not as concrete this year.

That makes no sense. If the talent pool is even from 6-28 then trading up to pick 2 doesn’t affect us. Still the same quality at 26/27/28 as at 15?

 

[Mr Magic]

That makes no sense. If the talent pool is even from 6-28 then trading up to pick 2 doesn’t affect us. Still the same quality at 26/27/28 as at 15?

Why would the talent pool be even from 6-28 and who is the 5th and 6th? Freo seems to suggest the 6th is Erasmus

 

[Mr Magic]

If their kid is bid on at 20, they match, but get 20% discount from memory, so it would only cost them 729 points which is exactly what pick 26 is worth, if he gets selected after that, they would have a surplus of points after using 26, so they would win in that deal.

So Pick 26 +27 to them, could be the equivalent of picks 20 + 27 for 9.

If they choose to keep 9, no way they have enough points for the NGA kid, so either they let him go, or go into deficit next year, and not sure they would want to do that

So their choice comes down to, 1 really good kid at 9, OR two kids inside 27 and guaranteed to get the NGA selection.

I'm not saying they go for it, but that's what we should put to them.

I still see absolutely no way why we should be looking to give 15 in any shape as part of this deal... that would just be stupid on our behalf irrelevant of the saints position.

15 would not be stupid if one saw a drop of before it.

The other thing is the Saints have later picks they want to use on NGA's which may not be possible if used by 26 and 27. The Saints obviously might want a better pick(s) for giving up 9 and we have to give up something to get something we may value. So if we want a Hobbs we might have to give up more than 26 and 27 because 26 and 27 do not get it done for the Saints

 

[fargothegreat]

So who is your top 15?

I can't see too many falling over themselves over a mid that's predominantly inside with not a lot of X-factor. Bigfooty posts seem to lean my way to.

Even Callum thinks its only GWS and RFC mainly focusing on Hobbs up the order. Obviously Hobbs is going first round, most are not doubting that, how high each are rating against others in the basket is another matter so there should be no reason RFC should pay a premium for him if that is one of our choices

Hobbs has been talked about as an option for all of Gold Coast, Adelaide and Hawthorn. Not sure on Freo. Twomey has said he is being considered as high as Gold Coast at pick 3, though they prefer Callaghan if available.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Why would the talent pool be even from 6-28 and who is the 5th and 6th? Freo seems to suggest the 6th is Erasmus

I dunno. It’s what he said. Something about exposed form due to limited football. Pretty valid, but I’d reach a different conclusion, in that it’s far better to get the player we want and pick for needs with our later picks.

7&15 for pick 2. 26,27,28 one pick at the end of the draft or wait for the rookie or mid season.


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[Mr Magic]

I dunno. It’s what he said. Something about exposed form due to limited football. Pretty valid, but I’d reach a different conclusion, in that it’s far better to get the player we want and pick for needs with our later picks.

7&15 for pick 2. 26,27,28 one pick at the end of the draft or wait for the rookie or mid season.


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Its what who said?

 

[Phar Ace]

I'm starting to get really concerned with all the 'smoke' around here. A lot of rumours about us trading out picks 7 & 15 to move up a few spots in the draft. I feel this would be a HUGE mistake.

More than any other draft, beyond 4, the draftees are really a lottery based on exposed form. I think we are almost as likely to find a star at pick 28 as we are at 6. The players ability is just not as clear as they normally are, even with a amazing recruiting team like we have. If there was any year when having 5 players in the top 30 rather than a few in the top 20, its this year. The difference and certainty of selection is just not as concrete this year.

From what I have seen thus far I agree with this very much - of course our List Management personnel have made it their business to have seen and reliably advised more about this Draft cohort than we will ever know, so massive trust applies.
Sometimes though, we have witnessed "not seeing the forest for the trees" moments. Here's hoping we do not get a repeat performance!
Top 5-10 picks seem to have much more collateral than I would have expected - that suggests some interesting inducements might be at play.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

thats horrendous on our behalf...

I know the point value of pick is not always relevant unless needed for NGA or Academy, but in the Saints Case it is.

Picks 26 + 27 are worth nearly the same as 9, so I wouldn't go anywhere near offering 15 in a deal.
If their NGA player is bid on from 19-25, they effectively upgrade pick 26 that we give them (sot it might end up being Pick 23+26), if the player is not, they get 2 players in a row, then get to use their late pick (plus a little carry over next year) for their NGA kid. It could be absolutely massive for them.

** second thought, we throw them 85 or whatever it is we have late, swings the swap in their favour slightly, but then they have the excess points if needed for the NGA selection, and we probably don't need 85 anyway

That would also leave us with 7, 9, 15, 28... a huge haul on our behalf...

We are in a great position, we hold the strong hand against most clubs, we shouldn't be giving up that position

28 , 27 + 2022 richmond 2nd rounder for pick #9

 

[Bojangles17]

15 would not be stupid if one saw a drop of before it.

The other thing is the Saints have later picks they want to use on NGA's which may not be possible if used by 26 and 27. The Saints obviously might want a better pick(s) for giving up 9 and we have to give up something to get something we may value. So if we want a Hobbs we might have to give up more than 26 and 27 because 26 and 27 do not get it done for the Saints

Saints would get a flogging for giving up 9 won’t happen

 

[guruisatiger]

Saints would get a flogging for giving up 9 won’t happen

Maybe there into that stuff,,being flogged that is

 

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28 , 27 + 2022 richmond 2nd rounder for pick #9

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

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[NZ_Tiger]

you dont like it ..........................

3 second rounders for pick 9? There doesn’t seem to be a likely talent worth trading up for.


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[dusty1234!]

so......

Do we still want

De Goey???

 

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[Rioli2Rioli]

Richmond Mock draft starting tomorrow night 6pm
need participants

Richmond 2021 Mock Draft ( looks like nobody else is going to do it so i may as well )

Been waiting for others to start mock but you blokes are way to lazy so i will give it a run - Starts Monday 1.11.2021 18:00 if we have enough participants Post team that you want 1st in best dressed and trades allowed but no future pick trading. Me - Richmond

www.bigfooty.com

Lets get this started get in early to select your team

 

[Tiges1229]

Had to put my dog down

**** still miss my dog heaps

 

[GN272]

so......

Do we still want

De Goey???

HELL NO - but he'll come cheaply ...

 

[THE THIN MAN]

so......

Do we still want

De Goey???

Let him go to Carlton, they have a history of inmates playing for the club, their best and fairest is named after one!

 

[Bojangles17]

Hobbs has been talked about as an option for all of Gold Coast, Adelaide and Hawthorn. Not sure on Freo. Twomey has said he is being considered as high as Gold Coast at pick 3, though they prefer Callaghan if available.

no way GC go a MID , absolutely go TALL , everyday of the week, fmd hollands hasnt even played yet

 

[Mr Magic]

I suppose if we went 7, 15, future first and future North second we would get Callaghan with pick 2 for sure

 

[This Is Anfield]

I suppose if we went 7, 15, future first and future North second we would get Callaghan with pick 2 for sure

He’d want to be better than Martin, Petracca, Bontompelli and Ablett Jnr combined

 

[Hamsatma]

I suppose if we went 7, 15, future first and future North second we would get Callaghan with pick 2 for sure

why don't we throw in dusty and cotch while we're at it?

 

[Mr Magic]

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why don't we throw in dusty and cotch while we're at it?

i don't think they want to go to GWS and GWS could not carry their salaries.


RFC could pay for Dusty and Cotch's salary's at GWS but I suppose supporters would tear punt road down.

I suppose if we got Callaghan this way he would know we really wanted him and he would come with not a big salary burden, but some pressure would be there

I think its better than the Franklin deal to be honest and we need a left footer with some ability. Would not send RFC broke either. If we keep 26, 27 and 28 we can use those picks for support, upgrade a few rookies next year.

On the bright side we still have McIntosh and Castagna amongst others to help out with our role players, they are not thirty so we would not have a Geelong problem.

Its an interesting situation. Still gives us a chance at the 2022 premiership and even 2023, could set ourselves up and be a win if he becomes a star

He would be hoping RFC would go well in 2022 to reduce his draft burden and at least supporters would know we where all in for 2022