List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[SunshineBoy]

Aarts is not AFL finals standard,Bakers a pure HB,Grahams not a wingmans headband,mansells a battler,im happy to be proven wrong tho on him
and if we draft 2 under #10 they should be played from the get go like all our single digit draftees before them,whats the difference ?play them theyre
top dozen picks,straight in,and no need to sell Ross off for a tired hack,he could turn it around in'22

Arts isn’t AFL standard, too slow in the brain

 

[Sir_Loin]

15+28+38 for Mitchell, O'Meara and 2022 2nd...

 

[YeOldTiger]

And now they are at the bottom rebuilding organically.

If you focus on draft picks there is a good chance Richmond stay 9th forever in no man's land again. When the stars are gone
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You want to be at the top or bottom in the afl system not in no man's land

So, you're disagreeing with the club who have clearly stated they are going with the draft this year and next ? The club also implied it was giving the current group one last shot at a flag next year. Tarrant in to replace Astbury, a full rest and pre season for a group of the best players in the comp who won a flag only 12 months ago. The last dance. The whole club is setting itself for it. The players are already back at training getting the miles in their legs.

Whilst smashing the next two drafts to build a sustainable football power.

I respect your right to disagree but with three recent cups in the bank I'm good with the club's direction.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

If we could get Callaghan and Ward I’d be right behind it and would sell our draft hand for it (within reason, keep both our seconds next year and at least 1 in 20s this year. They’re more the good enough to impact next year as well as build another premiership contender in 7-10 years.

But I’d be surprised if we could make that happen

Surprised is a massive understatement. I have already stated I am prepared to go to Groupies dungeon if we get both picks 2/3. Never happening. Might as well suggest trying to organise a trade for Bont and Petracca.

 

[lumpinee]

Baker has looked alright forward / mid.

I would look at him there is DRioli continues to improve as a defender.

Might be needed there with George's / aarts form

agree and disagree,i think Bakes sublime skills are what whats required in the backhalf,especially after Shorts butchering of the ball in '21
Dan can become the best game day switch player in the comp if he wants,i still think hes better than good for using up FWD @ times
and pinching a goal,hes got natural instincts for goals,that never goes away & FFS if we do happen to land 2 picks in the top 12 i hope we play
them straight away,they must be good footballers if theyre inside #12 so play em what theyre good at

 

[Marcel Proust]

So, you're disagreeing with the club who have clearly stated they are going with the draft this year and next ? The club also implied it was giving the current group one last shot at a flag next year. Tarrant in to replace Astbury, a full rest and pre season for a group of the best players in the comp who won a flag only 12 months ago. The last dance. The whole club is setting itself for it. The players are already back at training getting the miles in their legs.

Whilst smashing the next two drafts to build a sustainable football power.

I respect your right to disagree but with three recent cups in the bank I'm good with the club's direction.

Much of this thread is people explaining how the team with four cups got it wrong.

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Multiple posters on the North board are trying to justify the CCJ trade by claiming they can trade in Melbourne’s second round pick and send that to us in a trade. If only they had a basic understanding of the rules.

They have been very salty and aggressive in the PM’s being sent to me!

I see you made a few friends over there.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Arts isn’t AFL standard, too slow in the brain

Too slow full stop

 

[NZ_Tiger]

De Goey would be a perfect fit in a footy sense.

Crumples Macrae's a dishonest footballer, he can stay at the ChuckDucks.


Poor St Kilda. God hates them.


He'll be their captain. He's one that has bought in.

His dad works on cruise ships, and I think his mom moved to Queensland. Unlikely he’d want to come down here.


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[Sir_Loin]

agree and disagree,i think Bakes sublime skills are what whats required in the backhalf,especially after Shorts butchering of the ball in '21
Dan can become the best game day switch player in the comp if he wants,i still think hes better than good for using up FWD @ times
and pinching a goal,hes got natural instincts for goals,that never goes away & FFS if we do happen to land to picks in the top 12 i hope we play
them straight away,they must be good footballers if theyre inside #12 so play em what theyre good at

bakes 20% around the ball rest of the time we need to be getting the pill into his hands IMO. His kicking and decision making is outstanding. As much as I can’t stand Mathieson the lions worked out how important he is to us in that role when they tagged him.

Another baker type would be good. Hopefully Rioli can be that role off half back

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

15+28+38 for Mitchell, O'Meara and 2022 2nd...

Cap space my friend

 

[Marcel Proust]

Cap space my friend

Caddy to hawks

 

[Tygrys]

And now they are at the bottom rebuilding organically.

If you focus on draft picks there is a good chance Richmond stay 9th forever in no man's land again. When the stars are gone
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You want to be at the top or bottom in the afl system not in no man's land

You know when you say Hawthorn are 'at the bottom rebuilding organically' we only finished two spots above them right?

But I digress, yes you could potentially stay 9th forever if you just drifted along accepting your draft allotment, the same allotment that everyone else gets.

We on the other hand we could potentially have five picks in the top 30 this year and already probably 3 in the top 30 next year. That is transformative it's not just simply recycling players on the fringe and drifting a long in no-mans land. This is taking the bull by the horns and proactively building a foundation for ongoing success for the next decade.

And no Hawthorn are not just trying to build organically. They too want to hasten the process, in effect they want to use every lever and tool at their disposal to be in our draft position. They want to build their next dynasty and they want to do it as much as they possibly can with our picks. A perfect argument in my opinion for us not to let them do that.

And in terms of 'good chances', there is a bloody better chance that if we throw away our draft hand and top up that we'lll end up being in Nick Del Santo's '10 years of pain later', which he is so casual about and frankly would love to see happen along with the rest of the AFL world.

If it's between one final fling or trying to set us up for the next decade, I'll take the next decade every day of the week.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If we could get Callaghan and Ward I’d be right behind it and would sell our draft hand for it (within reason, keep both our seconds next year and at least 1 in 20s this year). They’re more the good enough to impact next year as well as build another premiership contender in 7-10 years.

But I’d be surprised if we could make that happen

It would be a tough ask.
Pick 38 & 40 for 27
Picks 26 & 28 for 11
Picks 7 & 11 for pick 2
Pick 15 & Future 1st for pick 3.

 

[Jozzy]

It’s two isnt it?

Need 2 more delistings from the main list to get to 6 I think. Garth could be one. Egg probably will be too but is on the rookie list so iIIRC it doesnt count.

Max number of picks in the draft will be 5. 4 if we bring in a player like Hill or Mitchell etc

I’m happy to stand correct with any of this but we’ve had Astbury, Houli, Naish, CCJ & Chol all leave the club.

I think from here it’ll come down to what happens with Parker and Stack’s contracts and whether they’re on the rookie list or senior squad.

Assuming Eggy gets delisted, that would open up a rookie list space to put Parker into.

To my calculations,if everything remained as is and Parker/Stack were on the rookie list. We would need to make one more delisting if we wanted to use all six current selection. Or if we downgraded two picks into one/traded a pick into a future pick and used five selections at the national draft we wouldn’t need to make any further delistings?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Might as well suggest trying to organise a trade for Bont and Petracca.

Wait 12mnths for FA for those 2 when we have cap space.lol

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Caddy to hawks

Bloos have plenty of dosh.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Bryce Gibbs or Bontempelli, Oliver and Fyfe?

It can go either way. If you look at the number 1 picks of the last 20 years, the crop isn't that great. A couple of generational players, decent amount of good to very good but quite a few you'd be disappointed with for various reasons.

I agree but… bont, patracca, Oliver, wines all rose over the back end of the draft. This might be Norths best chance to get a star player, because as we already know, free agents aren’t interested in going there.


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[Sir_Loin]

I’m happy to stand correct with any of this but we’ve had Astbury, Houli, Naish, CCJ & Chol all leave the club.

I think from here it’ll come down to what happens with Parker and Stack’s contracts and whether they’re on the rookie list or senior squad.

Assuming Eggy gets delisted, that would open up a rookie list space to put Parker into.

To my calculations,if everything remained as is and Parker/Stack were on the rookie list. We would need to make one more delisting if we wanted to use all six current selection. Or if we downgraded two picks into one/traded a pick into a future pick and used five selections at the national draft we wouldn’t need to make any further delistings?

Tarrant in though

 

[NZ_Tiger]

When Hawthorn brought in Mitchell and O'Meara at the end of 2016 they still had 17 of their premiership winners on the list, including Roughead Gibson McEvoy Burgoyne Whitecross Frawley Birchall Hodge Smith Gunston Bruest & Shiels and they finished 12th the year after and then managed to get to the top 4 in 2018, before dropping down the ladder and now looking at selling off the players they brought in to try and get that 4th flag.

What’s that got to do with Richmond?


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[GhostofJimJess]

I'd love to know what the consensus is on the idea that No Dusty = No Premierships.

Personally, I think that it is very hard (if not impossible) to determine because we don't know who would have taken Dusty's place in the team or how no Dusty would have changed our gameplay.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Well one thing we do know is that if Cotch had been rubbed out after the 2017 prelim for his attack on the footy when Shiel got in his way, then Anthony Miles would currently be a premiership player. If Dusty had missed, I'd assume the same player would've got the gig. Whoever played, we were way too good for the Crows that day, Dusty or no Dusty.

We could've put Peggy O'Neill in the team for the 2019 GF and we still would've smashed the Giants that day.

As for 2020, he was very critical for our win on the night, could've gone either way without him. One myth that does need busting though is that it wasn't Dusty's goal just before half time that triggered our comeback. The reality is that we'd just had 7 inside 50's in the previous 4 minutes of play - the momentum had definitely shifted and Dusty's goal was just a bit of scoreboard reward for our dominance during that shift. We could just have easily got a couple of others just prior to Dusty's goal.

Caddy- any takers?? Please.
We need one more list spot.

Looks like he's staying Loz. If Caddy is to have any future at Tigerland I think he needs some reinvention. It'd be nice to think that he could go back to playing that 3rd forward foil-type role again like when he was at his best 2017/18 but I suspect that ship might've sailed.

It's a long shot, but if he was at his best fitness maybe he could play that loose Mitch Duncan role, just floating around fairly unaccountably, getting the first easy +6 possession in the back pocket from the kick-in, setting up play and running out of the backline.

Otherwise, plenty of VFL in 2022 before delisting this time next year most likely.

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It'd be a major coup for our list management to have three success draft picks at 26, 27 28. We could curate our selections very nicely if there were no oppo picks in between, strategically selecting, say, best available, best KP, and best onballer without having another team gazump our plans midstream.

If any of you have ever been in a snake fantasy draft you'll know what I mean. Having two successive picks means a fair wait for your turn, but when you do get a crack you can ensure you get a really nice spread of player types to fill list needs. Having three in a row for the Tigers inside the Top 30 is magical. If we somehow pulled #27 I certainly wouldn't mind if we didn't trade any of those three up from here.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

What’s that got to do with Richmond?


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I guess the poster is trying to say that trying to eke out another premiership is often fraught with danger. More often than not it ends in disaster.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I guess the poster is trying to say that trying to eke out another premiership is often fraught with danger. More often than not it ends in disaster.

and it’s a very good point

 

[wegetpumped]

Much of this thread is people explaining how the team with four cups got it wrong.

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That's because we only got 3 cups lol

 

[Calcium Man]

I guess the poster is trying to say that trying to eke out another premiership is often fraught with danger. More often than not it ends in disaster.

Disasters comes whether we win next year or not. When it does come you get a bunch of top 5 picks to fix it, the rest is up to good drafting and development

What doesn’t come every time is premierships. 6 teams have won 16 of the last 20 premierships or 33% of clubs have won 80% of the premierships available.