List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Tortured Tiger]

Would have to disagree with that. If we were to lose him in free agency we would have gotten a end of first rounder for him as the compo pick. Without doubt. All Richmond has to do is tell Port, unless we get a end of 1st as compo, we will match the deal and force a trade. clubs have realised, that you are better to over-pay the guy and get him without losing any draft assets, then just re-negotiate the contract at a later date ( ala Daniher & will 100% be the case with Gresham, Doedee etc

an end of 1st round pick would trump the package we got.

You have no idea what would of happened. A year is a long time and a number of things could change. How much would he be worth if he did another knee for example. The fact is Soldo wanted to go now and Port wanted him now. You either fob them off and deal with the disgruntled player or you get the best deal you can. Soldo is gone, case closed. We will have to battle on the best we can with what we have got.

 

[Lacustrus]

The sheer nature of ruck work makes it an injury prone role. With the exception of Gawn and maybe Goldy and Grundy, there's been very few non-injury-prone top end rucks over the last decade.

NicNat, Sandilands, McEvoy, Kreuzer, Cameron, Stanley, Darcy, Witts, Lycett, Draper etc all injury prone and missed chunks of seasons, sometimes huge chunks.

Can a playing list really afford to carry four good rucks nowadays? And anyway, you'd be hard pressed to find a senior quality ruckman who's prepared to be fourth in line.

That’s why Nank is so underrated , he’s consistent and been relatively injury free

 

[RJK Tiger]

You have no idea what would of happened. A year is a long time and a number of things could change. How much would he be worth if he did another knee for example. The fact is Soldo wanted to go now and Port wanted him now. You either fob them off and deal with the disgruntled player or you get the best deal you can. Soldo is gone, case closed. We will have to battle on the best we can with what we have got.

You are right. He could have done another knee, or he could have made a leap and become an AA. You have no idea either, clearly. But your commenting anyway & thats ok with me.

You do realise though that i commented based on someone else who equally speculated on "what ifs"....- ie"we got more for him than any compo pick we could have expected...."

My response is to that specifically. If Soldo was a Free Agent this year for example, we would have definitely left with a end of 1st rounder based on Gresham, Doedee etc . I wasn't saying we should have held him against his will etc - just that the return would have likely been better based on every other compo this year being a 1st rounder.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

You are right. He could have done another knee, or he could have made a leap and become an AA. You have no idea either, clearly. But your commenting anyway & thats ok with me.

You do realise though that i commented based on someone else who equally speculated on "what ifs"....- ie"we got more for him than any compo pick we could have expected...."

My response is to that specifically. If Soldo was a Free Agent this year for example, we would have definitely left with a end of 1st rounder based on Gresham, Doedee etc . I wasn't saying we should have held him against his will etc - just that the return would have likely been better based on every other compo this year being a 1st rounder.


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If you keep to the facts it is a lot easier than writing pages on hypotheticals, why not give it a try ?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

The sheer nature of ruck work makes it an injury prone role. With the exception of Gawn and maybe Goldy and Grundy, there's been very few non-injury-prone top end rucks over the last decade.

NicNat, Sandilands, McEvoy, Kreuzer, Cameron, Stanley, Darcy, Witts, Lycett, Draper etc all injury prone and missed chunks of seasons, sometimes huge chunks.

Can a playing list really afford to carry four good rucks nowadays? And anyway, you'd be hard pressed to find a senior quality ruckman who's prepared to be fourth in line.

Dean Cox was very durable

Dean Cox of the West Coast Eagles Career AFL Stats

Dean Cox of West Coast Eagles career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

 

[JR82]

Thing with Rucks is, there are plenty that move Clubs every yr when offered the #1 spot & often you don't have to pay too much for them. IMO post Nank we shouldn't have much trouble getting one across providing we can offer the #1 role when they are #2 or #3 at thier current Club. Much the way we got Nank ourselves. On Soldo it seemed we only let him go as he seemed desperate to move on for a guaranteed #1 spot which he wasn't going to be getting with us. Sometimes players get to a point where they have had enough of playing 2nd fiddle.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

The 2024 mid-season trades that just make sense as it stands

The official trade period ended last Wednesday, and we’ve already seen significant trade stories break since.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Bojangles17]

You have no idea what would have happened. A year is a long time and a number of things could change. How much would he be worth if he did another knee for example. The fact is Soldo wanted to go now and Port wanted him now. You either fob them off and deal with the disgruntled player or you get the best deal you can. Soldo is gone, case closed. We will have to battle on the best we can with what we have got.

That’s exactly right , in any case , I think we were just posturing for a better deal playing the long game all along , we did good and we can cover him , good luck ivy

 

[Bojangles17]

That’s why Nank is so underrated , he’s consistent and been relatively injury free

Injury free , really , he’s not unlike lynch , he gets injured annually ,,here’s hoping for a better run for both

 

[Grrr]

The fact we're even looking at Naismith as about the best available underlines how valuable Soldo was. Way more valuable than what we got for him, 'market worth' be damned.

A couple of incidences of average grade bad luck among our heavily depleted ruck division (we've lost three mature age rucks in three years and couldn't even keep the best of them!) and we can kiss the next 2-3 seasons of finals goodbye.

Wallace's coaching stint began with us assembling four mature, capable first rucks (and Pattison), by year 2-3 we were alternating playing Pattison and Tuck there half the year. Lack of a consistent, durable ruck division (even more than losing Brown and Coughlan) ruined any possible chance of success in that era.

We were really blessed and unusually fortunate to get away with the thin stocks of injury prone rucks we did in the Hardwick flag years. Since then we've steadily run ourselves down to an ageing, injury prone Nank then literally nothing...next in line is a hope and a prayer that Ryan definitely makes it .

Really dumb list management, IMO.

He wanted to leave not the other way around. It was either him or Nank it seems. Even if it is 50-50 on who is better, Nank has been epic in or revival and should be treated with the respect he deserves, ie he's not up for trade. Getting Naismith is a good second option because it might only be for a year as this will be a big year for Ryan as to how good he will be in the following years.

 

[tigerfan1961]

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The 2024 mid-season trades that just make sense as it stands

The official trade period ended last Wednesday, and we’ve already seen significant trade stories break since.

www.sen.com.au

Checked first to see who the author was and worked out immediately that it would be RFC players this jerk was going to mention, and none from his favourite chokers, Port.
Sure enough, says we need a huge rebuild and need to offload Lynch and Dustin if there’s a mid season trade period. So, destroy the culture built over the last 5-10 years by trading your best players for draft picks, that are an unknown quantity?
Bugger off and worry about your own choking side Kornhole

 

[juss]

Naismith will be a good insurance policy for a year. Free to pick up, will play VFL, minimal salary, and will probably play a couple of preseason games and maybe a few as injury cover if needed.

But he provides a bit of a safety net for 12 months so I think it's a good pick up.

 

[SouthernStripes]

Dean Cox was very durable
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Dean Cox of the West Coast Eagles Career AFL Stats

Dean Cox of West Coast Eagles career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

Didn’t seem that durable when Ty Vickery turned up

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Checked first to see who the author was and worked out immediately that it would be RFC players this jerk was going to mention, and none from his favourite chokers, Port.
Sure enough, says we need a huge rebuild and need to offload Lynch and Dustin if there’s a mid season trade period. So, destroy the culture built over the last 5-10 years by trading your best players for draft picks, that are an unknown quantity?
Bugger off and worry about your own choking side Kornhole

Exactly TF. He's looking at them like footy cards or his FIFA 24 team - total ignorance of the human aspect.

He doesn't even try to hide his mindless anti-Richmond crusade nowadays.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Can the lovers in here please take their quarrels to the Bold and the Beautiful thread. Thanks. FFS...

 

[Coach_Required]

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The 2024 mid-season trades that just make sense as it stands

The official trade period ended last Wednesday, and we’ve already seen significant trade stories break since.

www.sen.com.au

Talking about mid season trades already? LOL These nuffies are amazing

 

[tiger_tough]

Will Snelling

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Will Snelling

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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14.1

4star

K

4.7

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

12.6

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

8.3

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

5.6

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

16.2

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

11.0

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

5star

G

1.2

4star

has been delisted. Finally, we've got the doozy.

 

[Ctl]

Patrick Voss delisted by Essendon, wouldn't be the worst DFA pick up. A 194cm Key Forward, won the bombers VFL Best & Fairest and kicked 30 goals in 18 games. At the very least he could take Bradtke' spot in the VFL

- Patrick Voss

vfl.aflmstats.com

 

[Morro]

Patrick Voss delisted by Essendon, wouldn't be the worst DFA pick up. A 194cm Key Forward, won the bombers VFL Best & Fairest and kicked 30 goals in 18 games. At the very least he could take Bradtke' spot in the VFL

- Patrick Voss

vfl.aflmstats.com

Given their forward line issues, you would think if he was any good they would have kept him?

 

[Morro]

Will Snelling has been delisted. Finally, we've got the doozy.

beat me to it

 

[tiger_tough]

Patrick Voss delisted by Essendon, wouldn't be the worst DFA pick up. A 194cm Key Forward, won the bombers VFL Best & Fairest and kicked 30 goals in 18 games. At the very least he could take Bradtke' spot in the VFL

- Patrick Voss

vfl.aflmstats.com

He's not a legit key forward, more a utility. I wouldn't read too much into winning their B&F, they were horrid.

 

[_RT_]

Blair gets no say in what positions players play, it wasn't up to him to tell Soldo what he wanted to hear and deserved to hear; that the first ruck slot would be selected purely on form, with no issues of captaincy involved in the decision whatsoever - the way football teams should be picked.

That was Yze's responsibility.

I have faith in Blair's ability to sift through dregs for something half useful, I'm sure he'd much prefer not to.

I'd suggest that we told Soldo that the first ruck was there to be taken, hence our reluctance to trade him, but Soldo looked at the better opportunity at Port, plus the fact they also offered him a long term deal as too good to refuse.

Once it was clear that he wanted out and that Port were prepared to pay more than Soldo was worth, a late 2nd was his value when you look at what most 2nd string rucks go for, we made the right move in making the deal.

As far as Nankervis is I think people forget that he played the second half of the season after recovering from a syndesmosis injury, which would have impacted his fitness levels. Despite that he still ranked among rucks(average per game):

4th for disposals
1st for tackles
5th for hitouts
8th for contested possessions
6th for clearances
8th for intercepts

A full preseason and hitting the season healthy will see Nankervis remind people why he has been our number 1 ruck for nearly a decade.

 

[tigerfan1961]

I'd suggest that we told Soldo that the first ruck was there to be taken, hence our reluctance to trade him, but Soldo looked at the better opportunity at Port, plus the fact they also offered him a long term deal as too good to refuse.

Once it was clear that he wanted out and that Port were prepared to pay more than Soldo was worth, a late 2nd was his value when you look at what most 2nd string rucks go for, we made the right move in making the deal.

As far as Nankervis is I think people forget that he played the second half of the season after recovering from a syndesmosis injury, which would have impacted his fitness levels. Despite that he still ranked among rucks(average per game):

4th for disposals
1st for tackles
5th for hitouts
8th for contested possessions
6th for clearances
8th for intercepts

A full preseason and hitting the season healthy will see Nankervis remind people why he has been our number 1 ruck for nearly a decade.

Heard Balmey talk about the Soldo situation on flog Whatelys show this morning.
Basically said we didn’t really want to lose him, and were prepared to hold him to his contract but once Ivan made it known he had a good offer and wanted to take up a first ruck position, we relented, especially when Port made the offer we eventually accepted, which they saw as more than fair and too good to refuse. I think we did the right thing by player and RFC.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Didn’t seem that durable when Ty Vickery turned up

Wasn't it Ty's right arm that turned up?!?!

 

[RobsJourney]

Injury free , really , he’s not unlike lynch , he gets injured annually ,,here’s hoping for a better run for both

I’ve said it a few times but Nank’s injuries have all just been bad luck.

Groin slipping on terrible Optus surface when it was still pretty new.

Knee-on-knee with O’Brien first ruck contest of the game, PCL, can happen to any ruck if the contact is right, which it sadly was.

Syndesmosis ankle twice.

Pure bad luck, it hasn’t been due to a breakdown of some sort.