Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Eddie Dingle]

Let us know if you make it past 5 episodes

Just starting ep 7

 

[chiwigi]

Grown adults with Socialist agenda: Lets tell children that the planet is going to die and we're all going to suffer a horrible extinction within the next 12 years.
16 year old girl: Terrified by something that's not going to happen.

Sounds like child abuse to me.

and 98% of scientists, but lets ignore that bit for your agenda.

 

[Powerade 08]

and 98% of scientists, but lets ignore that bit for your agenda.

I doubt 98% of scientists have viewed this video, which provides irrefutable evidence that climate change does not exist.

 

[chiwigi]

And if you want to see child abuse and fear mongering, you just have to look at the Public Advice ads from the 80's and 90's, let alone the Nuclear ones!

 

[Contested Marx]

Unfortunately young Greta's accent, hairstyle and perpetual anger can be used as a source of derision.

Doesn't change the facts though

 

[chiwigi]

Unfortunately young Greta's accent, hairstyle and perpetual anger can be used as a source of derision.

Doesn't change the facts though

And her autism.

 

[Tredz]

and 98% of scientists, but lets ignore that bit for your agenda.

What's my agenda?

 

[chiwigi]

What's my agenda?

Well you stated that climate change awareness is a form of abuse, so your agenda is to perpetuate that, unless I missed some sarcasm.

(I can't watch vids here btw).

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

If you wanna be that serious and have a shred of integrity on climate change don't drive a car or catch public transport for a start.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If you wanna be that serious and have a shred of integrity on climate change don't drive a car or catch public transport for a start.

This is a horseshit argument. One random dude deciding to get around on a pushbike a bit more often won't make a shred of difference to climate change. Governments investing in more renewable energy sources and legislating greater environmental protections against big polluting companies is the only thing that's going to have any substantial measurable impact.

 

[Grave Danger]

 

[Janus]

This is a horses**t argument. One random dude deciding to get around on a pushbike a bit more often won't make a shred of difference to climate change. Governments investing in more renewable energy sources and legislating greater environmental protections against big polluting companies is the only thing that's going to have any substantial measurable impact.

You know if everything - and I mean everything - went to zero emissions overnight, climate change would still occur, right? Scientists reckon the effects will last for “centuries”.

That’s why I don’t give a **** about it. The human race will be extinct for other reasons long before it’s even a problem.

 

[Edgepower]

This is a horses**t argument. One random dude deciding to get around on a pushbike a bit more often won't make a shred of difference to climate change. Governments investing in more renewable energy sources and legislating greater environmental protections against big polluting companies is the only thing that's going to have any substantial measurable impact.

this is a great doco series for anyone interested

 

[Janus]

You can dislike my post all you like, it doesn’t make it any less true.

 

[Edgepower]

Such a ray of sunshine ... you must be a joy to be around its all fckd so lets not even try ..... eeeee oooow
Lazy Living

 

[Magus]

This is a horses**t argument. One random dude deciding to get around on a pushbike a bit more often won't make a shred of difference to climate change. Governments investing in more renewable energy sources and legislating greater environmental protections against big polluting companies is the only thing that's going to have any substantial measurable impact.

...And if China and India decide to come to the party.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

This is a horses**t argument. One random dude deciding to get around on a pushbike a bit more often won't make a shred of difference to climate change. Governments investing in more renewable energy sources and legislating greater environmental protections against big polluting companies is the only thing that's going to have any substantial measurable impact.

The old I want climate change policies in place as long as I need not take any personal responsibility doo wah waddy.

It's all doo hickey though really Janus is correct.

 

[Schulzenfest]

The old I want climate change policies in place as long as I need not take any personal responsibility doo wah waddy.

It's all doo hickey though really Janus is correct.

Because climate change policies will make an actual difference, but taking 'personal responsibility' won't do a damn thing, maybe?

 

[Janus]

The old I want climate change policies in place as long as I need not take any personal responsibility doo wah waddy.

It's all doo hickey though really Janus is correct.

I don’t think it’s doo hickey, but it is motivated by money rather than altruism.

They’ve got the technology right now to harvest carbon dioxide and use artificial photosynthesis to turn it into solar energy/fuel. Negative emissions. But it costs too much.

God exists. He’s called Mammon.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Because climate change policies will make an actual difference and taking 'personal responsibility' won't do a damn thing, maybe?

I think child sex trafficking is a bad thing too, but I guess I wouldn't be allowed to protest child sex trafficking if I'm not out there taking 'personal responsibility' and busting up sex trafficking rings with some vigilante justice, right?

What if billions of people took personal responsibility?

 

[Tredz]

Well you stated that climate change awareness is a form of abuse, so your agenda is to perpetuate that, unless I missed some sarcasm.

(I can't watch vids here btw).

No you assumed that was my agenda - if anything all I did was possibly imply in my response to an earlier post that "telling children that the planet is going to die and that they are all going to suffer a horrible mass extinction within the next 12 years" (something that no reasonable climate scientist, that I am aware of believes will occur) - I believe could be viewed as a form of child abuse. There is a big difference between educating children in "climate change awareness" as you put it - (and I agree SHOULD occur) and terrorizing them by presenting to them a wholly skewed representation of the equation and the potential/possible implications as being a certainty when they are anything but.

I don't actually have an agenda other than to state my opinion and present an alternative side of the discussion as part of rational discussion.

Sorry you are unable to view the video, it really is quite interesting and might help you appreciate an alternative view - below is a copy of the transcript. Enjoy.

[Begin]
In the line at the store, the cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment. The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, we didn't have this "green thing" back in my earlier days. The young clerk responded "You know that's our problem today; your generation didn't care enough to save our environment for future generations".

The older lady said that she was right, "our generation didn't have the 'green thing' back then", she went on to explain back then they returned their milk bottles, Coke bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, using the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But they didn't have the 'green thing' back in her day.

Grocery stores bagged groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books, this was to ensure that public property; the books provided for our use by the school weren't defaced by our scribbling. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags, but too bad we didn't have the 'green thing' back then.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300 horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks. But she's right. They didn't have the 'green thing' in her day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw-away kind? We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts - wind and solar power really did dry the clothes back in the early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But the young lady was right, we didn't have the 'green thing' back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief, remember those? not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn, we used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she's right, we didn't have the 'green thing' back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty, instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink, instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn't have the 'green thing' back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the families $50,000 SUV, which cost what a whole house did before the 'green thing'. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

But isn't it sad that the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the 'green thing' back then.
[ends]

 

[Schulzenfest]

What if billions of people took personal responsibility?

Depends. If it's billions of starving Africans it won't do shit. If it's billions of politicians and oil executives, that'd be fantastic. Hell, if it was even 100 or so of the right politicians and oil executives, it'd have more impact than the billions of starving Africans.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Well, I'm convinced now. Everything's going to be ok. Thanks fictional wise old lady in the grocery store

 

[bomberclifford]

I think child sex trafficking is a bad thing too, but I guess I wouldn't be allowed to protest child sex trafficking if I'm not out there taking 'personal responsibility' and busting up sex trafficking rings with some vigilante justice, right?

Come on Schulzy, that's a ridic comparison.

 

[Magus]

Depends. If it's billions of starving Africans it won't do s**t. If it's billions of politicians and oil executives, that'd be fantastic. Hell, if it was even 100 or so of the right politicians and oil executives, it'd have more impact than the billions of starving Africans.

I think you're underrating your power as a consumer a bit. Everyone likes to take the piss out of vegans but at least they're taking responsibility through the industries they choose to support. If you don't expect politicians to do anything then the strategy has to change, wouldn't you agree?