Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[chiwigi]

What ideas have been debunked and argued to death? I actually haven't posted ANY ideas. I have however posted some views, namely;
a) I don't believe that the planet is going to go extinct within the next 12 years;
b) I don't think we should be teaching children that it is;
c) I don't subscribe to the belief older generations don't care about the environment, the planet or the youth of today or future generations; d) I do believe it is disingenuous to blame all of life's problems, ill and issues of the day on 'boomers', 'cat grandmas' and 'old people'.

a) one person (a politician) miss interpreted something and this seems to be the premise of your issue.
b) we aren't we are doing exactly the opposite and teaching them the scientific facts, that if something isn't done things are going to get bad...they are already starting. Literally the point of education.
c) Undoubtedly true, but those making the most noise (the anti science lot) are heard.

 

[Tredz]

I guess there are two parts to this I disagree with.

1) The mass extinction has already started with the species most sensitive to changes in climate and ecosystem. Mass coral bleaching is an example. The 30% drop in bird populations across North America in the last 50 years is another.

2) The argument is not that humans will become extinct within 12 years. That's ridiculous.

Rather, if we are unable to reverse the growth in emissions within the next 12 years, the risk of climate change reaching a tipping point where a mass extinction is inevitable increases exponentially.

And by tipping point I mean something like polar ice caps melting to the point where the light they used to reflect away is instead absorbed, further accelerating the rate of warming.

If that happens the ice caps will never come back, the global ecosystem will be irrevocably changed in ways we can't predict and most if not all the infrastructure we rely on to sustain 7 billion people will be useless.

This is a good argument Sleezy - well thought out and presented. We (everyone - myself included) definitely need to be doing more to protect this beautiful planet. We don't need however to be using rhetoric in our discussions that terrifies children. I don't know much about Greta but as I watched her yesterday - I felt for her and other young people like her who obviously are terrified by a false premise that the planet is going to suffer mass extinction in the next 12 years.

Maybe instead of teaching these young people how dire and terrible things are and are going to be, it might also be helpful to teach them what great advances we have made and will continue to make in environmental issues. Has anyone explained to them that the carbon footprint of just producing all the smart phones sold worldwide annually is equal to the entire carbon footprint for the Philippines - a country of in excess of 100 million people (not sure how accurate this is so taken with a grain of salt). Metaphorically speaking, how many of them would be willing to give up their smart phones, tv's, x-boxes etc to save the planet?

This is the other side of the equation I hope they are being taught. That in part was the message being conveyed by the video I posted - no matter how self-righteous each of us may be and eager to blame others and previous generations for the ills of the world each of us should first be willing to look at ourselves and what we individually are willing to do or sacrifice before point the finger at others and demand they do more.

[Edited: Paragraph breaks included at request of bomberclifford - the paragraph breaks were originally omitted in order to save clogging up the internet with unnecessary paragraphs - he's obvious boomer trash that doesn't care about dwindling internet speeds and the health and future of all those poor unfortunate Fortnight characters. Shame on you bomber shame!]

 

[Dylan8]

This thread is taking Dumb Shit to a new level lately. Anyone wanna talk about star wars or

 

[bomberclifford]

Paragraphs, Tredz. Paragraphs.

 

[bomberclifford]

Anyone wanna talk about star wars or

Or the latest Boston Dynamics video.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

This thread is taking Dumb s**t to a new level lately. Anyone wanna talk about star wars or

I’m up to ep 7 of twin peaks

I’ve enjoyed it so far but it’s nothing on the original.

Feels like it’s trying too hard or something.

 

[Tredz]

Paragraphs, Tredz. Paragraphs.

I'm conserving them bomber - doing my part to save the webesphere. All those wasteful paragraphs out there choking the internet.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

People who aren’t scared climate change because “it probably won’t end the world” are just white nationalist sympathetic.

When literally billions of people become displaced, while the rich live it up in the first world what do you think will happen?

Racist Australian’s lose their minds over a couple thousand asylum seekers turning up a year. Try hundreds of thousands a year.

These people will be made to die en masse if border policies stay as they are. I doubt Naaru could hold them all.

See when I get very scared about climate change, I’m not even afraid for myself. I’m terrified for the literal billions who will lose their homes and be dependant on the rest of the world for help.

I’m terrified for the refugees who will be forced to go into the US detention camps.

I’m terrified for all the children thrown overboard, while Scott Morrison “Stops the boats”.

 

[Tredz]

Or the latest Boston Dynamics video.

A preview of a spin-off of the hit show "The Masked Singer"?...."The Masked Acrobat"?

 

[Papa G]

People who aren’t scared climate change because “it probably won’t end the world” are just white nationalist sympathetic.

When literally billions of people become displaced, while the rich live it up in the first world what do you think will happen?

Racist Australian’s lose their minds over a couple thousand asylum seekers turning up a year. Try hundreds of thousands a year.

These people will be made to die en masse if border policies stay as they are. I doubt Naaru could hold them all.

See when I get very scared about climate change, I’m not even afraid for myself. I’m terrified for the literal billions who will lose their homes and be dependant on the rest of the world for help.

I’m terrified for the refugees who will be forced to go into the US detention camps.

I’m terrified for all the children thrown overboard, while Scott Morrison “Stops the boats”.

Do you like ABBA?

 

[Tredz]

When are people going to start talking about the hole in the ethernet layer?

 

[MotlopRules]

The hilarious irony of adults pretending to be concerned about 'terrified children' is so incredible that if I wasn't reading it with my own eyes I'd struggle to believe people could be capable of such cognitive dissonance.

Never mind the unprecedented drought ravaging parts of the country, massive bushfires stretching longer and longer out of season, crippling heatwaves, chronic water shortages, a dying river system, crashing animal populations, bleached coral reefs, rising sea levels.... Nahh you're right guys, what we really have to fear IS FEAR ITSELF.

I'm sure it'll be such a comfort to a young person in Grand Bahama whose country was just decimated by the equal most powerful Atlantic hurricane ON RECORD that a few middle-class dudes on the internet sitting in their air-conditioned offices reckon we've all got nothing to worry about mate.

I'm sure the children of Armidale currently facing an entire summer on category 5 water restrictions are totally reassured to know that any worry or anxiety they have about their future is just a manufactured greenie lie.

I'm sure Pacific Island teens whose entire way of life is threatened by rising seas are really glad to know they've all just been had by #projectfear. Can someone phone the Prime Minister of Kiribati and let him know that Forzaport reckons talking about sea level rise is child abuse pls

**** off you climate change-denying troglodytes, and if you don't have the ability to educate yourselves about the reasons today's young people are worried as shit about their future, at least have the decency to sit down and shut up while the rest of us get on with the business of trying to mitigate the disastrous environmental consequences previous generations have foisted upon us. Nobody has the time or energy anymore to deal with your intellectual sophistry.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I think the only solution is to murder everyone over 30.

 

[bomberclifford]

Come on people, I posted a dancing robot, for Christ's sake.

Get off the binary debate merry-go-round.

 

[bomberclifford]

I think the only solution is to murder everyone under 30.

Would have more impact.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Would have more impact.

Kill everyone under 30

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Kill Ween

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Kill Ween

God Ween Satan

You can’t believe in one without the other.

 

[bomberclifford]

Kill everyone under 30

You didn't see the edit?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

JBC believes in Ween.

 

[chiwigi]

This is a good argument Sleezy - well thought out and presented. We (everyone - myself included) definitely need to be doing more to protect this beautiful planet. We don't need however to be using rhetoric in our discussions that terrifies children. I don't know much about Greta but as I watched her yesterday - I felt for her and other young people like her who obviously are terrified by a false premise that the planet is going to suffer mass extinction in the next 12 years.

Maybe instead of teaching these young people how dire and terrible things are and are going to be, it might also be helpful to teach them what great advances we have made and will continue to make in environmental issues. Has anyone explained to them that the carbon footprint of just producing all the smart phones sold worldwide annually is equal to the entire carbon footprint for the Philippines - a country of in excess of 100 million people (not sure how accurate this is so taken with a grain of salt). Metaphorically speaking, how many of them would be willing to give up their smart phones, tv's, x-boxes etc to save the planet?

This is the other side of the equation I hope they are being taught. That in part was the message being conveyed by the video I posted - no matter how self-righteous each of us may be and eager to blame others and previous generations for the ills of the world each of us should first be willing to look at ourselves and what we individually are willing to do or sacrifice before point the finger at others and demand they do more.

[Edited: Paragraph breaks included at request of bomberclifford - the paragraph breaks were originally omitted in order to save clogging up the internet with unnecessary paragraphs - he's obvious boomer trash that doesn't care about dwindling internet speeds and the health and future of all those poor unfortunate Fortnight characters. Shame on you bomber shame!]

You are literally the only person I know that thinks that people believe the world will end in 12 years!
You’ve latched onto this fallacy and won’t let go.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

You didn't see the edit?

No I did not see that edit lieutenant Dan.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

You are literally the only person I know that thinks that people believe the world will end in 12 years!

Could end tomorrow

 

[Eddie Dingle]

You are literally the only person I know that thinks that people believe the world will end in 12 years!
You’ve latched onto this fallacy and won’t let go.

I thought this whole discussion was around the grumpy little Swedish kid saying exactly that?

I haven’t actually read anything posted by anyone on the subject and I won’t.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Janus do you reckon aliens drip feed advanced technologies to the Americans & the Russians to just see how long we take to destroy ourselves, the alien interest in nuclear weapons testing facilities can't be denied either.