Autopsy Versus Melbourne

[CeltDave]

4 more points which takes us to 7 wins with 8 games still to play vs. last years finalised position of 8 wins and a draw.

We have the opportunitiy with our remaining fixture to make a vast improvement on last year and if that turns out to be a finals appearance then that will be fanstastic, if it doesn't well so be it; we will be better team from 2013 onwards for the experience.

I would prefer we play wonderfully attractive football every week, however I am realistic enough to know that teams have to win ugly at times and it is good to see us finally do this, in previous years we would have simply folded and handed the four points to the opposition.

cheers,

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

Still plenty of life in our season. Gotta earn a solid win against GC then face North with the return of Martin, Foley and Jackson. Hopefully Derrickx is taking some marks by then and our forward line is starting to gel. Would be nice to hit top form when we play North

Good chance to win both games, GC obviously the less challenging of the two. North will be coming of what could be a big game against Carlton, while Foley and DJ are due to slot back in the team .

 

[IDGAF]

your point would carry more weight if we didn't kick 13.23 and completely dominate stats across the board.
we need to readjust our expectations and forget what we have come to know about the tiges over many years. We are realistically (not wishfully) pushing for a top 8 spot, and Melbourne are a basket case missing some of there best players. Kick straight and its 10 goals plus, irrelevant of how many players came in.

Jack hanballing 30 out on an angel to a player on the move, and lids handballing 40 out directly infront and just to cases of when our "leaders" needed to stand up and say listen watch me slot this goal and follow my lead. not take the easier option by handballing and show that even our "leaders lack confidence infront of goal

23.13 - 151
11.12 - 78
how much better does that look!!!!

Widely acknowledged we are making a lot mistakes and and the forward line is not functioning .

Im not sure what your point is .

 

[Dragonss]

your point would carry more weight if we didn't kick 13.23 and completely dominate stats across the board.
we need to readjust our expectations and forget what we have come to know about the tiges over many years. We are realistically (not wishfully) pushing for a top 8 spot, and Melbourne are a basket case missing some of there best players. Kick straight and its 10 goals plus, irrelevant of how many players came in.

Jack hanballing 30 out on an angel to a player on the move, and lids handballing 40 out directly infront and just to cases of when our "leaders" needed to stand up and say listen watch me slot this goal and follow my lead. not take the easier option by handballing and show that even our "leaders lack confidence infront of goal

23.13 - 151
11.12 - 78
how much better does that look!!!!

2 goals from Deledio, one from outside 50 and another from running away from a melbourne player.
1.5, Jack Riewoldt 7 shots at goal. THey took the shot, they just didnt get it through.

 

[_RT_]

Finally got to watch the game and I can't understand what all the criticism is about. We dominated the game and the only thing that stopped us from getting the 12 goal win we deserved was poor conversion.

Some Observations
- Pleased with Concas game in the midfield. Should be played there more often than he has been. Wins possessions, gets clearances and shows composure with the footy. Unfortunately it would seem that once Martin & Foley come back its likely that he'll be shifted back to the forward line.
- Ellis goes unrecognised by most but he plays his role well and rarely makes a mistake. IMO the kid deserves a Rising Star nomination after playing every game this year.
- Don't understand the Dea criticism. Like Ellis he plays his role well and rarely makes a mistake. Yes some of his disposals may end up being turned over, but its more a case of not having an option to go to rather than the kid giving the ball away with poor disposal.
- As much as everyone had written off McGuane and to a degree Derickx I thought both performed well yesterday and again did what was asked of them. Happy for both to keep their spots if they continue to perform like they did.
- Morris is an animal in his attack on the ball and the man. Easily the best bargain from the draft last year in that he cost us a 1 spot downgrade and we got Ellis to boot.

Now we move onto the Suns and if we can dominate play like we did yesterday and can covert we should get the % boost that we need.

 

[DrMike]

Finally got to watch the game and I can't understand what all the criticism is about. We dominated the game and the only thing that stopped us from getting the 12 goal win we deserved was poor conversion.

Some Observations
- Pleased with Concas game in the midfield. Should be played there more often than he has been. Wins possessions, gets clearances and shows composure with the footy. Unfortunately it would seem that once Martin & Foley come back its likely that he'll be shifted back to the forward line.
- Ellis goes unrecognised by most but he plays his role well and rarely makes a mistake. IMO the kid deserves a Rising Star nomination after playing every game this year.
- Don't understand the Dea criticism. Like Ellis he plays his role well and rarely makes a mistake. Yes some of his disposals may end up being turned over, but its more a case of not having an option to go to rather than the kid giving the ball away with poor disposal.
- As much as everyone had written off McGuane and to a degree Derickx I thought both performed well yesterday and again did what was asked of them. Happy for both to keep their spots if they continue to perform like they did.
- Morris is an animal in his attack on the ball and the man. Easily the best bargain from the draft last year in that he cost us a 1 spot downgrade and we got Ellis to boot.

Now we move onto the Suns and if we can dominate play like we did yesterday and can covert we should get the % boost that we need.

BigFooty needs a check box that asks, "Have you slept on the game before posting?" When people know a result, put some time between that knowledge and watching the game, then post, it's amazing how much clear headed and not emotionally fired up they are in their posts. They can see things the way they actually are and not the way people perceive them. Good post anyway, completely agree

 

[the push up king]

Widely acknowledged we are making a lot mistakes and and the forward line is not functioning .

Im not sure what your point is .

just saying that making 7 changes had nothing to do with our inaccurate kicking. its also widely believed that inaccuracy is contagious and we have struggled badly with it the last few weeks. So for players in our leadership group to give of cheap handballs and not take responsibility to stamp the trend, i feel spread across the team. With such a young team, just feel we lack guys to take the game by the scruff of the neck and lead by example as regularly as what is required.
jacks a sook
lids can be shut down easily with a heavy tag
jacko gets suspended 3-4 times a year
and newman is losing his impact on games by the week

 

[the push up king]

2 goals from Deledio, one from outside 50 and another from running away from a melbourne player.
1.5, Jack Riewoldt 7 shots at goal. THey took the shot, they just didnt get it through.

understand that, both examples i gave were easy set shots and if confidence is high, they would not have considered giving off the handball. my point is that we need leaders to go back and slot them the most when confidence is down to give everyone else belief

 

[Madison]

understand that, both examples i gave were easy set shots and if confidence is high, they would not have considered giving off the handball. my point is that we need leaders to go back and slot them the most when confidence is down to give everyone else belief

Go back and miss the shot and they get called selfish cos they had other options on. They tried to do the team thing and give their team mates a goal.

We changed 1/3 of our team and only brought in two players (Conca and Batch) that you would bring in by choice.

Drex was good with his intent, couldn't ask for a lot more from a first gamer (regardless of age). We dominated the game and fluffed some easy shots.

And to those saying the off field stuff wasn't a big deal, it was just two blokes playing up not the whole team etc. might want to think about how the effect that having a player sacked during the week would have and the added scrutiny etc that comes with that.

Lids said on MMM after the game that people underestimate how much that stuff can effect the team.

A little perspective people.

 

[Dr Awkward]

What I learnt:

McGuane is better than Miller
O'Hanlon is not ready
Derrickx had a good crack, will be interesting to see which one of our three rucks is delisted
We lack players with finishing class. Edwards and McGuane consigned to goal kicking practice
White is stupid

Everything else (e.g. Tuck, Deledio guns, Melbourne is a rabble, Conca and Ellis future quality players) I already knew

 

[DrMike]

just saying that making 7 changes had nothing to do with our inaccurate kicking. its also widely believed that inaccuracy is contagious and we have struggled badly with it the last few weeks. So for players in our leadership group to give of cheap handballs and not take responsibility to stamp the trend, i feel spread across the team. With such a young team, just feel we lack guys to take the game by the scruff of the neck and lead by example as regularly as what is required.
jacks a sook
lids can be shut down easily with a heavy tag
jacko gets suspended 3-4 times a year
and newman is losing his impact on games by the week

It has everything to do with inaccurate kicking. You have players in positions that they normally wouldn't be and leads that aren't as efficient because they're coming from players not as experienced in setting up the play. Also they're not as strong players so their kicking isn't as good as the rest of the team. Add that the stresses of a week that was focussed on the drama surrounding the club and it adds a lot of pressure.

Jack has been the primary focus for a forward line that has been weak all year.
Lids can ONLY get shut down with a heavy tag and did an amazing job yesterday.
Jackson is an over exaggeration.
Newman was one of our best last week and everyone at the club tells how important he is as a leader with the things the fans don't see.

We won the game, I swear I'm going to snap soon.

 

[nobulltiger]

At the end of the day they beat a team we didn't, but we beat them twice. A wins a win at the moment, take it.

 

[the push up king]

Go back and miss the shot and they get called selfish cos they had other options on. They tried to do the team thing and give their team mates a goal.

We changed 1/3 of our team and only brought in two players (Conca and Batch) that you would bring in by choice.

Drex was good with his intent, couldn't ask for a lot more from a first gamer (regardless of age). We dominated the game and fluffed some easy shots.

And to those saying the off field stuff wasn't a big deal, it was just two blokes playing up not the whole team etc. might want to think about how the effect that having a player sacked during the week would have and the added scrutiny etc that comes with that.

Lids said on MMM after the game that people underestimate how much that stuff can effect the team.

A little perspective people.

slotting a goal from a very kickable position is not at all selfish, its what there paid to do
like i said im not underestimating how much of an effect 7 changes had, i was there and we played very poorly.
early in the year we beat the dees by 10 goals with just about our best team. yesterday we SHOUD have beat them by 10 goals with 7 changes.

yesterday - 13.23
round 3 vs. dees - 20.13...... 10 goal win

 

[the push up king]

It has everything to do with inaccurate kicking. You have players in positions that they normally wouldn't be and leads that aren't as efficient because they're coming from players not as experienced in setting up the play. Also they're not as strong players so their kicking isn't as good as the rest of the team. Add that the stresses of a week that was focussed on the drama surrounding the club and it adds a lot of pressure.

Jack has been the primary focus for a forward line that has been weak all year.
Lids can ONLY get shut down with a heavy tag and did an amazing job yesterday.
Jackson is an over exaggeration.
Newman was one of our best last week and everyone at the club tells how important he is as a leader with the things the fans don't see.

We won the game, I swear I'm going to snap soon.

im sorry but i dont celebrate mediocrity any more

ofcourse not every one of the 23 behind you can argue should have been goals, but at the minimum you would say 5-10 were sitters
im happy with lids and newman in the leadership group.
getting a feeling that the more jack resembles richo with his antics and poor body language the more he shouldnt be in the leadership group, just like richo wasn't... richo even joked about it on the podcast.
jacko's comment was not an exaggeration. he is our nick maxwell, low on talent but a "leader", except jacko has 4-6 weeks off per years
i think the problem isnt who's in the group, its the fact that there aren't better options then an over the top star forward, and a thug low on talent

 

[tigerimij]

worse thing that could happen to toms development would be to drop him back after a game where as a team we wernt that impressive. give him time to find his feet at this level before casting judgement

 

[DrMike]

im sorry but i dont celebrate mediocrity any more

ofcourse not every one of the 23 behind you can argue should have been goals, but at the minimum you would say 5-10 were sitters
im happy with lids and newman in the leadership group.
getting a feeling that the more jack resembles richo with his antics and poor body language the more he shouldnt be in the leadership group, just like richo wasn't... richo even joked about it on the podcast.
jacko's comment was not an exaggeration. he is our nick maxwell, low on talent but a "leader", except jacko has 4-6 weeks off per years
i think the problem isnt who's in the group, its the fact that there aren't better options then an over the top star forward, and a thug low on talent

I'm not sure you understand what a leader is, that isn't a jab at you either, not many people do. It's not a leaders job to play a perfect game. A leaders job is to set a vision and empower those around them to achieve those goals. A leaders job is to identify areas of change. A leaders job is to represent. Jack had a bad game with his conversion yesterday but has been doing well considering, as I said before, our lack of support for him.

I agree to an extent with Jackson in that he needs to stop doing stupid shit. Getting rubbed out of games when you know your team has injury concerns is very stupid, compounded with what happened during the week I think he's going to be getting a lot of quiet, and loud, words about how he can't do that any more.

I think anyone with an issue this week needs to listen to the first sentence of this video:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...-demons-at-the-g/story-e6frf3e3-1226419804566

 

[DrMike]

worse thing that could happen to toms development would be to drop him back after a game where as a team we wernt that impressive. give him time to find his feet at this level before casting judgement

Derickx did great for his first game, was really good in the first half and then went back after Griff went down, hence less stats to support how he played from that point. Certainly did enough to warrant selection next week.

 

[tigerimij]

I agree 100%. IMO X man is a 20 game player max. Let's not forget is 24, and with who we are targeting in fre agency I just can't see him playing ahead of about 6 others on our list.

Maric, yep you nailed it, he will disappear with about 6 or 7 games for us. Can't see him playing more.

15 teams today would have beaten us.

the xman is as you said is 24, in his 2nd year,having missed most of his 1st year{through injury]200cm players take longer to cometo hand, how about a least giving him a chance to make a go of it.

 

[the push up king]

I'm not sure you understand what a leader is, that isn't a jab at you either, not many people do. It's not a leaders job to play a perfect game. A leaders job is to set a vision and empower those around them to achieve those goals. A leaders job is to identify areas of change. A leaders job is to represent. Jack had a bad game with his conversion yesterday but has been doing well considering, as I said before, our lack of support for him.

I agree to an extent with Jackson in that he needs to stop doing stupid shit. Getting rubbed out of games when you know your team has injury concerns is very stupid, compounded with what happened during the week I think he's going to be getting a lot of quiet, and loud, words about how he can't do that any more.

I think anyone with an issue this week needs to listen to the first sentence of this video:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...-demons-at-the-g/story-e6frf3e3-1226419804566

In my opinion a leader who is someone who set the tone for what he expects from the rest of the group, has an intimate knowledge of what each players strengths and weaknesses are, and is able to aid that player to reach to full potential. Is also there to guide and instruct those around him and make sure everyone keeps there heads up when things are down, whilst delivering a bit of tough love when required. This needs to be someone everyone respects and admires so his words don't fall on deaf ears.

obviously cotch and newy fit this description very well
Tho, in short, i dont think jack and jacko do, thats all

 

[Damo80]

the xman is as you said is 24, in his 2nd year,having missed most of his 1st year{through injury]200cm players take longer to cometo hand, how about a least giving him a chance to make a go of it.

That is the general rule of thumb, however, when you recruit them from the WAFL as a 22 year old (in fact, only a month shy of turning 23 at the time of being drafted) I think the assumption is that they're not going to get 4 or 5 years on the list to develop... I know he was unlucky in that he missed most of last season with an injury, but he was never going to be given the luxury of an extended period of time to work his way up to AFL level... he was recruited as a ready made player, and if he doesn't show soon he has AFL potential, then he won't stay on the list, simple as that.

 

[Joker91]

Jack looked good yesterday, minus the kicking for goal.

 

[Blaz]

Did you see Dima in the coaches box after the siren? Didnt seem like a bloke who was pleased with his teams efforts.

nah i didn't see that mate, what did you take out of it?

 

[Tetley Tigers]

Wouldn't get too wound up by what in the end was a solid win. If Jack kicks 5.1, and Grigg, Edwards & White's goal/point and we all walk away saying what a great win. There would be no discussion around the rest of the game.

So it really came down to kicking for goal. Generally something that can be worked on as it is only above the head.

Melbourne's style, you have to remember, was to drag the game down to a scrap where possible because that was going to be their only hope. If we had got hold of them in an outside game it would have got ugly.

Liked Tom D.'s game - need to play him as we need someone who can ruck when Maric is resting. McGuane up forward is going to work in the short term. Has to be a little bit more selfish in the Riewold mould so when he can, he should have a shot for goal. At least he gives a better contest than Miller ever will.

Be interesting next week as Gold Coast didn't look too bad against the Cats. They will feel they are in with a chance against us, and we are vulnerable. Still won't have Martin or Jackson back. Foley IMO is no certainity. White might cop a week or two.

 

[Bazzar]

nah i didn't see that mate, what did you take out of it?

To me it was relief for the 4 points, but filthy the way we got them.

 

[Bojangles17]

Its tremendous that our season is still alive when the whips are cracking...imoortant game this week,the boys will have plenty of motivation after last yr. launch ourselves into the contest same as we did yesterday will be the right way about it...then we have the inclusion of axel, jacko and martin, that 70 possies a game, nice work if u can get it