VFL VFL 2024 - Geelong & the greater league

[cats_09]

Andrew Carrazzo is the only really big miss (on games played, at least) for us here. Delisted without making a senior appearance at Geelong, and went on to play 194 games at the Blues. Won their B&F in 2007 as well.

Can we blame Thompson for that one?

In general though, I’d suggest that there’s very few players that we’ve willingly let leave, trade, delist etc, where it’s come back to hurt. What has hurt is the players we’ve put contracts in front off or been hesitant to trade that seem to hurt more

 

[goyoucatters]

Good example. Debatebale if he was a miss. Dominated at Oakleigh, dominated at VFL, would have he ever played above anyone in our midfield during that era? He would definitely be in our team now. Ultimately an AFL standard player but you wouldn't curse yourself too much for missing him.

I tend to agree. Which is why I said he was only demonstrably a miss on games played. When you look at our 2007 premiership team (the same year he won the B&F at the Blues), there's not a lot of names that you'd even consider omitting to fit him in.

 

[Finknottle]

Andrew Carrazzo is the only really big miss (on games played, at least) for us here. Delisted without making a senior appearance at Geelong, and went on to play 194 games at the Blues. Won their B&F in 2007 as well.

How did Lachie Fogarty end up at Carlton?

 

[dangerwood]

This is evidence based which I like. You can now compare Atkins VFL career with Hardie's brief VFL career and give an informed opinion. I am across Hardie's games this year including his numbers and can see he compares favourably with Atkins. Like Atkins Hardie will be a shoe in for the Geelong VFL b&f and is currently leading the VFL MVP voting. Atkins tackle numbers were impressive and well ahead of Hardie but Hardie has him covered in other areas, disposals and clearances. Not that Atkins is a particularly good yardstick this year, I think he is struggling to have an impact.

As evidence for future consideration. In contrast to the stats, I don't think Hardie will make it. Now if he does, my statements on big footy can be evidence as to why you should give my opinion no regard and think I'm a flog. If his career goes nowhere then you can still think I'm flog and it's still up to you if you give my opinion any regard but it will at least provide some evidence on whether my opinions any good or not.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Andrew Carrazzo is the only really big miss (on games played, at least) for us here. Delisted without making a senior appearance at Geelong, and went on to play 194 games at the Blues. Won their B&F in 2007 as well.

What about Merv Hughes !!

Cats sent him a formal invitation , did a pre season with us , then promptly told him he was no good , so he turned his eye to cricket and the rest is history

 

[goyoucatters]

How did Lachie Fogarty end up at Carlton?

Trade.

Draftguru - Lachie Fogarty

 

[cats_09]

How did Lachie Fogarty end up at Carlton?

Trade

Fogarty & pick 38, in exchange for
Picks 30 & 51

We sent pick 30 to North for Shaun Higgins

Pick 51 became pick 47 on draft night, and that was used on Nick Stevens

 

[Finknottle]

All I have to add on Hardie is that he looks like Mitch Duncan & Daniel Gorringe had a baby.

Scott Selwood as well

 

[Warhorse]

Andrew Carrazzo is the only really big miss (on games played, at least) for us here. Delisted without making a senior appearance at Geelong, and went on to play 194 games at the Blues. Won their B&F in 2007 as well.

Joel Hamling as well

As evidence for future consideration. In contrast to the stats, I don't think Hardie will make it. Now if he does, my statements on big footy can be evidence as to why you should give my opinion no regard and think I'm a flog. If his career goes nowhere then you can still think I'm flog and it's still up to you if you give my opinion any regard but it will at least provide some evidence on whether my opinions any good or not.

I also think Hardie is a low chance making it. I also think he should get his shot.

 

[PzBlinky]

I think you may be exaggerating the criticism here. People have just asked what afl attributes he has. He seems like he's ok at everything without being outstanding.

Yes he's getting his hands on it a fair bit at this level, but Bruhn is crucified by some for his low disposals and his only VFL game for us he got 36 disposals for a side that got smashed by 55 points.

Hardie only registered more than that this last week for the first time and that was in a win against a side with 3 wins to this point and looking shaky. Only his 3rd game with more than 30 from 17 matches, none of which we lost.

I think you probably have to find a game for him soon, but I don't expect he's going to answer any questions for us.

I appreciate the discussion from both camps. I've been squarely in the "give Hardie a go" for the past few weeks, both in terms of his performance and the struggles we've had in the midfield.

However, there has to be a reason he's not been giving a game. It's not his age - we haven't (and won't) go full "play the kids". cats_09 made some interesting comments on the weekend about his defensive running, so maybe it's something like that? You don't see that kind of thing watching the TV.

I still think he's worth trying - even a couple of games - just to see him at AFL level would surely give the coaches a better perspective on what he's capable of? But to be honest, our selection for the last week has been a little haphazard (notwithstanding injuries).

 

[Finknottle]

I appreciate the discussion from both camps. I've been squarely in the "give Hardie a go" for the past few weeks, both in terms of his performance and the struggles we've had in the midfield.

However, there has to be a reason he's not been giving a game. It's not his age - we haven't (and won't) go full "play the kids". cats_09 made some interesting comments on the weekend about his defensive running, so maybe it's something like that? You don't see that kind of thing watching the TV.

I still think he's worth trying - even a couple of games - just to see him at AFL level would surely give the coaches a better perspective on what he's capable of? But to be honest, our selection for the last week has been a little haphazard (notwithstanding injuries).

In the NBA there are stars of the competition who have zero defensive running/pressure but make up for it with the rest of their game. Luka Doncic for example. A starting 5 will usually have a couple of players who have good defensive skills. I'm not so sure the same is not true in AFL.

 

[Ratcat]

If only our coaches could see him up against AFL standard players multiple times a week to see if he is up to that standard.

Well put!

 

[PzBlinky]

In the NBA there are stars of the competition who have zero defensive running/pressure but make up for it with the rest of their game. Luka Doncic for example. A starting 5 will usually have a couple of players who have good defensive skills. I'm not so sure the same is not true in AFL.

That's true - maybe he could do a Mitchell-like role for us? For full context, I noticed Mitchell averaged 6 tackles last year (FWIW) and Hardie's been averaging 4 in the VFL.

But again, it's hard to say one way or the other. He's getting coach votes pretty much every week, so he's performing at least some level (though there's been debate on this too).

To be honest, I don't see any stand-out traits from watching him but he knows how to get the ball and can kick the odd goal (5.8 for the year so far, so probably should've kicked a couple more?) so I'd be interested to see him get a run at senior level.

 

[catters_28]

My view is Hardie might not make it, but let's actually play him and see. Some people are acting like we shouldn't give players a debut if they're not guaranteed to play 200 games for us. But if players like Cooper Whyte, Michael Luxford

Michael Luxford

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

3star

G

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

3star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

4star

G

0.0

1star

, Jordan Schroder

Jordan Schroder

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

, Jackson Sheringham

Jackson Sheringham

Age

36

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.8

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.0

3star

, George Burbury

George Burbury

Age

32

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

5.1

5star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

have been given at least one opportunity (and in most of those cases more than one) at AFL level, for me Hardie also deserves a shot.

 

[cats_09]

 

[winty]

Would be interested to see how that midfield would go against the one we're currently running with in the AFL....

 

[magic_johnson!]

Joe Furphy could be fun to watch

 

[cats_09]

Good test for Rhys to see what he can bring to the VFL

And it'll be interesting to see how Bews goes on return from injury

 

[AnUltimateRessie]

Would be interested to see how that midfield would go against the one we're currently running with in the AFL....

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Furphy's first game of football since he was a young lad I believe. Under 14s football straight into the VFL is always a funny thought.

Also someone screwed up the formatting. J.Pike is obviously 23rd and emergencies start from A. Kuol mun

 

[Footy Smarts]

Would be interested to see how that midfield would go against the one we're currently running with in the AFL....

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Well Atkins is a better version of Parfitt and Holmes and Bruhn are a lot, lot better than Hardie and Stevens. The only competitive position would be ruck with Conway vs Stanley so I'd say the AFL midfield would be pretty dominant.

 

[Warhorse]

Well Atkins is a better version of Parfitt and Holmes and Bruhn are a lot, lot better than Hardie and Stevens. The only competitive position would be ruck with Conway vs Stanley so I'd say the AFL midfield would be pretty dominant.

Outside of Holmes they are all currently VFL level players

 

[Footy Smarts]

Outside of Holmes they are all currently VFL level players

 

[Live in hope]

My view is Hardie might not make it, but let's actually play him and see. Some people are acting like we shouldn't give players a debut if they're not guaranteed to play 200 games for us. But if players like Cooper Whyte, Michael Luxford, Jordan Schroder, Jackson Sheringham, George Burbury have been given at least one opportunity (and in most of those cases more than one) at AFL level, for me Hardie also deserves a shot.

If Hardie continues his form and continues not to be picked for AFL (with a struggling AFL midfield) it is a very bad signal to potential draftees - might just decline approaches by the Cats for better chance, particularly at more struggling clubs -or simply to stay in home league (eg. SAFL) . Kind of says - ‘even if you start to excel at VFL level, we’re only ever going to pick you for AFL as an absolute last resort’. As indicated by Catters, at least Whyte, Burbury etc got a game where they could have a taste and potentially show something.

 

[Footy Smarts]

If Hardie continues his form and continues not to be picked for AFL (with a struggling AFL midfield) it is a very bad signal to potential draftees - might just decline approaches by the Cats for better chance, particularly at more struggling clubs -or simply to stay in home league (eg. SAFL) . Kind of says - ‘even if you start to excel at VFL level, we’re only ever going to pick you for AFL as an absolute last resort’. As indicated by Catters, at least Whyte, Burbury etc got a game where they could have a taste and potentially show something.

Lol. Yeah the next 18 year old draftee is definitely going to worry cause we didn't select a random bloke they've never heard of.

It's a real pity we've never brought any mature aged players through from the state leagues to become quality AFL players too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Lol. Yeah the next 18 year old draftee is definitely going to worry cause we didn't select a random bloke they've never heard of.

It's a real pity we've never brought any mature aged players through from the state leagues to become quality AFL players too.

An 18 year old wont but any 22yo we are trying to recruit to the vfl list will. Most of those guys will preference clubs that might look to elevate them (as we did in the past with atkins pode etc etc). Promoting these sort of guys is what attracts decent quality players to our vfl program in the first place.