We're a Shit Show - Fagan is a Complete Fraud, We're Rotten to the Core

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I don't have experience running a football club, but I would have thought what you'd want is a open and cohesive collaboration between management, the coaching group and the players where feedback, either as constructive criticism or positive reinforcement is welcomed and taken on board. When decisions are made, they need to be clearly explained to the tier below, both the how and why the decision was made, from management to coaches/fitness staff and coaches to players and back and forth the opposite way and feedback sought on how/if it can be improved, or if better alternatives are available. For example if a player is dropped then it needs to be clearly defined to them why that is, what they have to improve (if anything) and what they did well that would see them keep their spot in the side. You don't need to necessarily always side with the players, or do what they want, but at least allow them to give feedback and explain to them the hows and whys of your decision.

Instead what it feels like is we have management who is closed minded, not willing to hear outside opinions and is almost hostile to any form of feedback that doesn't result in immediate praise and decisions are simply explained as "because I said so". There's no willingness to collaborate and while the feedback down the chain is conducted, they seem to absolutely refuse to have the same process come back up and see that as a challenge of authority, rather than as a chance to work together and improve.

Fagan can rap all he wants about improving the processes, or reviewing "where we went wrong", but as long a combative attitude from management remains then the situation is unlikely to improve. All the reasons we hear for fitness staff leaving is "disagreements with Burton on the direction of the program" or whatever. Disagreements on the surface are not a bad thing, as I said before, it's a chance to collaborate and improve what you're doing. At the end once the decision is made those fitness staff need to do as instructed, but if you're removing them from the club for the simple reason that they disagreed with you, then that's awful decision making and reeks of insecurity and authority issues. If i'm a player and feel I can't go to my coach or head of fitness or football department with an issue because that person will instantly dismiss me because they see that as an attack, why would a player want to remain in that environment?

We've seen from Fagan now, he seems utterly incapable of accepting criticisms, he's told the fans feel like they aren't being given answers, he responds with "We engage with the supporters, you just don't like the answers", which is a hostile answer. There's no explanation on how/why he feels that way, just a completed dismissal of the query. Burton responds with questions about his fitness program with "I'm offended", how could anyone dare question him? This situation isn't unique at all, I've worked at places before where management were completely unwilling to listen to any feedback decisions made, and any concerns raised were instantly dismissed and when things went wrong and management came out breathing fire and refused to accept a "We told you of the risks involved and this was a likely outcome" response. It just absolutely tanks morale when you're not being listened to and then blamed for failures you warned people about. This is all a bit of a speculative ramble, but I don't expect anything will change much in 2019 considering we have the same people leading the club again.
 
I just want to put this out there... not excusing our disappointing communications in the least... but you just need to read the headline on that news piece to understand why they don’t want to talk to the media. It doesn’t matter what they say, it’ll be twisted by the media and swallowed by the masses. They cannot win.
That hasn't been twisted at all. It is exactly, precisely what has happened
 

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That's Shutts job to fix that then. Find journo's who will spread your message, reward them with exclusive information. Innoculate the story by getting it out early.
We are reacting to every turn in this and every time we have been caught out.

Yes
Live by fess up f*** ups first

Hands in the air!
Come at me!
Won’t happen again!
 
Rome is burning down and you're still focusing on Port. it's clear where your priorities lie. You can be member number 1 in the "ex-crow supportet/anti-Port supporter" forum im starting.
Where do you get any idea I’d be an “ex crow supporter”?

Whatever floats your boat
There are 2 Rome’s burning at the moment

I’m simply commenting on the media and admin efforts comparing both, and the pressure on our Captain compared to the silence on Boak. Media bias is rife and Tex has copped it.

I’ve also likened our media strategy to that of the LIberal Party

Please include me in any of those threads too
 
Given even AA said they’ve repeatedly asked to speak with the Club leadership and been denied, I’ve got not doubt an interview was requested and refused.

But I don’t see how any of the above is relevant, or absolves Fagan for his arrogance?

In one of our most tumultuous seasons, largely self inflicted by executive decisions, our leadership have been almost completely invisible, treating the supporter base with contempt, actively deceiving us, and wheeling out the players to take the bullets.



Say what you want about KT and Koch, at least they aren’t gutless pricks who are hiding from their supporters.

They do make themselves available but the problem with them (and Hinkley) is that they just dribble complete shit.
 
We've seen from Fagan now, he seems utterly incapable of accepting criticisms, he's told the fans feel like they aren't being given answers, he responds with "We engage with the supporters, you just don't like the answers", which is a hostile answer.

That’s a very salient point.

I heard that part of the interview, and was staggered that Fagan, with all his experience, would think that was an acceptable way to address club members. Not fans, not supporters.... members.

It actually highlights the inherent accountability issue central to the club’s “faux-member” organizational structure.

His attitude there is plain to see - member feedback and criticism is something the club has to defend itself against, not take on board and use to drive organizational decisions.

This is not how member-based organizations work.
 
That’s a very salient point.

I heard that part of the interview, and was staggered that Fagan, with all his experience, would think that was an acceptable way to address club members. Not fans, not supporters.... members.

It actually highlights the inherent accountability issue central to the club’s “faux-member” organizational structure.

His attitude there is plain to see - member feedback and criticism is something the club has to defend itself against, not take on board and use to drive organizational decisions.

This is not how member-based organizations work.

Agreed. I'm going to keep harping on about this until i'm blue in the face, but we need new media and PR people to come in because their entire strategy is not working. I actually think Fagan is a sound business person and a good senior executive, he's just woeful when it comes to his handling of the media. Plenty of senior execs aren't that great with this, but it can be taught and can be mitigated if they put the right people around them. The thing is that it's not just him, its actually the entire club. This highlights a big issue with that whole department, the the head of that department is Ian Shuttleworth. Shutts treats even the closest/friendliest media in SA with a level of contempt which puts them offside, he's not open. His offsider, Ryan Smith, has left and now works as a political media adviser in the Marshall Government and they've not replaced that role. The next main media contact point is someone who has some decent low level media experience but only graduated their journalism degree in the last 12-18 months. Some examples of what I consider media failings in recent history, some of this based on discussing with someone in the industry in SA:

- Ben Jarman (pushing the story with SA news outlets about our first father/son and then not picking him up in the draft just left us open to criticism and embarrassed the Jarman family)
- Bryce Gibbs (repeatedly told 7 and 9 news in Adelaide that the deal was done in 2016, only for it all to come undone and left us looking like idiots)
- Lever and the B&F and the Walker and Lever fallout was never really dealt with early and just allowed to spread
- Post 2017 GF issues and rumours of infighting
- The entire 12 months of handling the Collective Minds camp (remember Melbourne had a blow up with their camp early this year also, compare how they dealt with it and how we did)
- Consistently use Walker as the mouth piece of the club then leave him out in the cold (he's a bit of his own worst enemy here as he really never got along with Shutts or Smith and kind of does his own thing)

More often than not with these things we did eventually come out and try to clear the air. But we did it so ****ing late that the story had moved on and no one listened to what we had to say. Taken individually these types of incidents aren't a huge deal, but the media industry remembers this shit and any chance to get one back they'll do it. Some of this has snowballed so badly that I actually wonder what Shutts does on a day to day basis.

The frustrating thing is, we used to have a strong relationship with The Age and a number of Vic based in addition to very close relationships with 7 News Adelaide. That doesn't mean these outlets just spread our propaganda or only ever report positively, but it did mean that the organisations used each other to get more insightful news pieces and a deeper understanding of the issue at hand.

I remember people on this board posting 12-18 months ago how proud they were of the club for "shutting up shop" whilst flipping the bird to the media. This is what happens when you do that.
 

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I don't have experience running a football club, but I would have thought what you'd want is a open and cohesive collaboration between management, the coaching group and the players where feedback, either as constructive criticism or positive reinforcement is welcomed and taken on board. When decisions are made, they need to be clearly explained to the tier below, both the how and why the decision was made, from management to coaches/fitness staff and coaches to players and back and forth the opposite way and feedback sought on how/if it can be improved, or if better alternatives are available. For example if a player is dropped then it needs to be clearly defined to them why that is, what they have to improve (if anything) and what they did well that would see them keep their spot in the side. You don't need to necessarily always side with the players, or do what they want, but at least allow them to give feedback and explain to them the hows and whys of your decision.

Instead what it feels like is we have management who is closed minded, not willing to hear outside opinions and is almost hostile to any form of feedback that doesn't result in immediate praise and decisions are simply explained as "because I said so". There's no willingness to collaborate and while the feedback down the chain is conducted, they seem to absolutely refuse to have the same process come back up and see that as a challenge of authority, rather than as a chance to work together and improve.

Fagan can rap all he wants about improving the processes, or reviewing "where we went wrong", but as long a combative attitude from management remains then the situation is unlikely to improve. All the reasons we hear for fitness staff leaving is "disagreements with Burton on the direction of the program" or whatever. Disagreements on the surface are not a bad thing, as I said before, it's a chance to collaborate and improve what you're doing. At the end once the decision is made those fitness staff need to do as instructed, but if you're removing them from the club for the simple reason that they disagreed with you, then that's awful decision making and reeks of insecurity and authority issues. If i'm a player and feel I can't go to my coach or head of fitness or football department with an issue because that person will instantly dismiss me because they see that as an attack, why would a player want to remain in that environment?

We've seen from Fagan now, he seems utterly incapable of accepting criticisms, he's told the fans feel like they aren't being given answers, he responds with "We engage with the supporters, you just don't like the answers", which is a hostile answer. There's no explanation on how/why he feels that way, just a completed dismissal of the query. Burton responds with questions about his fitness program with "I'm offended", how could anyone dare question him? This situation isn't unique at all, I've worked at places before where management were completely unwilling to listen to any feedback decisions made, and any concerns raised were instantly dismissed and when things went wrong and management came out breathing fire and refused to accept a "We told you of the risks involved and this was a likely outcome" response. It just absolutely tanks morale when you're not being listened to and then blamed for failures you warned people about. This is all a bit of a speculative ramble, but I don't expect anything will change much in 2019 considering we have the same people leading the club again.
Total leadership vacuum. I don't think any other club has such entitled and unaccountable people in charge.

Did Caro ever drop that 'bucket' on us as she was supposed to? Frankly at this point the more pressure applied to the club the better.
 
The situation with the AF is serious that can damage the club for years. Its been going on for awhile and needs to be bleed. The arrogance with the club was evidenced with the closed shop attitude the club adopted a few years ago, where they didnt think they needed to explain themselves to anyone including members. I blame alot of the supporters, many of them on here, who defended the club regardless of what they did. The secrecy was a sign of a tough club you said. Lever leaving was a sook you said, CC was over rated anyway you said, we dont want people at the club like Gov anyway you said. The camp was a media beat up you said. Hampton and Eddie needed to harden up you said.
Well this is the result of allowing this type of attitude to grow and give it cover.
You reap what you sow. When people like me complained about it, we were just looking to attack the club at any opportunity. We werent true supporters.
 
Feels never ending

What is the circuit breaker?
I remember sitting where I am now, reading big footy with much excitement when sando was getting the arse. Trigg too, or at least he wasn't far behind.

"They finally ****ing get it!" I thought.

They don't get it at all.
 

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