No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[Joffaboy]

You wouldn't believe how relax and couldn't GAF about football when you have ditched your membership. Did that a week ago and have found today hilariously amusing.
I just DGAF what they do. If they got RTB back I might consider it again, but that isn't the reason I ditched it.

We could have the best coach to ever have coached and the way the AFL is structured is for us to never have a fighting chance to compete, finalists getting no.1 picks, given one of the hardest draws, never getting a decent timeslot while teams like Essendon who have been shit for two decades get Anzac Day, doesn't matter how bad one is there are ALWAYS 2 Derby's and Showdowns.

What do we get, GC on a Sunday at 4.40 and the chance to pick up a top ten academy player after pick 40.

When will you realise you are all being taken for a ride and paying your hard earned while they distract you with coach changes like it actually means anything.

Been so entertaining listening to the nuffs on SEN today, the AFL laugh like drains at the lemmings. Distracted by bread and circuses.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

Have you actually looked at the lists he took over? Gringo would of led either team to finals!

By that logic the previous coaches wouldn't have needed to even turn up but they ended up getting the sack

 

[Munga]

Ben should have locked down Ana De Armas.

 

[bergholt]

So you’ll only be happy if there is an ad on seek and people apply and then they interview and maybe a second or third round - even though we know Lyon would be by far the best candidate.


I don’t think that has to be the only process. That’s just what we are used to when saying, “there needs to be a process”.

If we know what we need in a coach

If we know the specific challenges he will face and what we need him to overcome.

And ultimately we know who we want.

ThAt is also a process and it actually falls inline with “head hunting”. Which plenty of Million + dollar companies do

Yeah a “process” for senior roles is overrated. It’s a few chats and if someone has the pedigree, has the vision, and ticks all the logistical boxes then lock them in.

 

[Sippa]

Again, he has no body of work that supports this in the last 8 years.

You’re comparing him to Clarko except Clarko has a swag of actual premierships.

If you’re saying that we’re getting him because of his body of work his body of work in ancient on football terms and then it lends to well he was SOOOO successful you can’t ignore it, except he wasn’t.

You’ve gotta do some serious mental gymnastics to justify that his coaching record is so successful he is by far and away the best candidate while also acknowledging he didn’t actually win anything and it’s 3 years out of the afl system and 8 years since he was any good.

Not sure where I’ve compared him to anyone let alone Clarko . .. I disagree that he wasn’t successful .. my measure of success for a coach is putting your team in a position with a chance to win it which he did multiple times … like I said a bounce of the ball doesn’t define him .. like Riewoldt Lenny etc weren’t any less of a player for not winning one

Legacy and ability are two different things. His legacy would be far greater if one single kick went a different way in any of those grand finals but it wouldn’t mean he’s a better coach

I’m actually not even saying he should be our coach now I’m saying it’s a narrow minded view to suggest he’s no good because hasn’t won a premiership

 

[Joffaboy]

Can anybody tell me the 'process' Ratten went through?

 

[phantom13]

Yeah a “process” for senior roles is overrated. It’s a few chats and if someone has the pedigree, has the vision, and ticks all the logistical boxes then lock them in.

That’s still a process though.

It’s not thorough and I’d prefer somethibg much more rigorous but we have to at the very least hear from someone other than Ross, at least so we have a benchmark.

 

[Veer Right]

By that logic the previous coaches wouldn't have needed to even turn up but they ended up getting the sack

Been zero interest looking to hire the services of GT and Mark Harvey since they were replaced.

 

[phantom13]

Not sure where I’ve compared him to anyone let alone Clarko . .. I disagree that he wasn’t successful .. my measure of success for a coach is putting your team in a position with a chance to win it which he did multiple times … like I said a bounce of the ball doesn’t define him .. like Riewoldt Lenny etc weren’t any less of a player for not winning one

Legacy and ability are two different things. His legacy would be far greater if one single kick went a different way in any of those grand finals but it wouldn’t mean he’s a better coach

I’m actually not even saying he should be our coach now I’m saying it’s a narrow minded view to suggest he’s no good because hasn’t won a premiership

I’m not suggesting he’s not a good coach, I’m suggesting that there’s no evidence in the last 8 years to suggest that he still is.

You’re adamant that him getting a team to a grand final 8 years ago means he’s good, it doesn’t.

 

[gringo2011]

I reckon that rule you have about not going back is pretty sound when it comes to most things in life/relationships.

But sport is a bit irrational - which is why we love it.

Our club is also a bit irrational - again plays a part in why we love it.

Ross is one of the few top quality coaches going around, even if he’s an ex.

I reckon I’m just about all in on Ross now. I’m going to sit back this weekend with a few G and Ts and watch the winning finals from 09-10.

I just want to hope again.

That's what I've got back....hope. He might be the wrong choice but I'd take anything right now. Ratts really seemed to be out of his depth and wasn't really helping set standards or training skills or drilling disciplined structures ..... At least we know what Ross will bring. Even if he doesn't get us back on top of the ladder the next guy will inherit a well drilled disciplined playing group.

My batteries were going flat but after the change of coaches I'm back up on my feet.

 

[billings2paddy]

I tend to agree but ultimately you’re not measured on how close you got, you’re measured on how many you won.

We wanna be ruthless and success driven, that’s what it means.

Ross is ruthless and success driven

I agree still needs to be a process however worth noting

Carlton wanted Ross to coach he pulled out.

Essendon wanted Ross telling him they will skip certain parts of the process for him. Ross pulled out
Wernt keen on Yze or Caracella hence scott

Norf wanted ross x2 before Nobel and Clarko

He is in demand its not like he can only do footy classified and work in the media
he is too good a coach to not be a senior coaching

 

[KingJim]

Cancelled my membership a few weeks ago. Good luck fellas following these clowns. We wont be in the league much longer

Yea ok mate don't let the door bang on the way out.

Maybe you would be welcome over at Coolingwood or Port.

 

[cooperrules]

BUllshit! Your often full of bullshit! If you really love the club you love the club......The oft quoted Kahlil GIBRAN .."Love is not love which alters when it alteration finds" or words to that effect...Corny but still true especially when it comes to the love of our club....we don't necessarily have to love one another lol! etc but the love for the club...well that's a non negotiable...imo!

No bullshit waste of my time and money im a storm member thats enough for me. I enjoy being part of a proffesional organisation. We will start in c grade VAFA when we fold.

 

[bergholt]

That’s still a process though.

It’s not thorough and I’d prefer somethibg much more rigorous but we have to at the very least hear from someone other than Ross, at least so we have a benchmark.

Yeah fair point, but they could easily have spoken to 4-5 candidates just today. It’s the off season and they know who all the coaching candidates’ managers are.

 

[phantom13]

Ross is ruthless and success driven

I agree still needs to be a process however worth noting

Carlton wanted Ross to coach he pulled out.

Essendon wanted Ross telling him they will skip certain parts of the process for him. Ross pulled out
Wernt keen on Yze or Caracella hence scott

Norf wanted ross x2 before Nobel and Clarko

He is in demand its not like he can only do footy classified and work in the media
he is too good a coach to not be a senior coaching

Is he still ruthless and success driven? Is he still a good senior coach?

There’s no way anyone could possibly know this.

I agree that his history is part of the consideration but if you are weighting it then it’s gotta be a pretty small weighting given how old it is.

He MIGHT be the best candidate if he’s still got the traits he had 8 years ago but then he’s gotta couple that with showing he’s still up to speed on modern gamestyle and plans, how to exploit rules and coach to win.

If he does all that then sure sign him up, he hasn’t.

I’d rather we don’t go down the path of Essendon or Carlton’s coaching appointment processes.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

You know how Ratts
Told
The boys to kick it to Hilly as much as possible. Well I’m pretty sure Ross told
The boys to kick it to Roo as much as possible. Even though him being triple banked and manhandled left others wide open. Seems they have similarities.

 

[prophetic1]

ROSS .....RATTS .................................at least with HIRD, BUCKS or YZE they'd demonstrate a svelte body image in the SAINTS merch.

 

[cartwright]

No bullshit waste of my time and money im a storm member thats enough for me. I enjoy being part of a proffesional organisation. We will start in c grade VAFA when we fold.

Strange way of showing you don’t care… anyway… whatevs

 

[jwikked]

That’s still a process though.

It’s not thorough and I’d prefer somethibg much more rigorous but we have to at the very least hear from someone other than Ross, at least so we have a benchmark.

I agree. We need to make sure he's 110% committed. We need to make him aware of the profile of the staff, the players and what he will have at his disposal. We don't need a Malcolm Blight 2.0 situation

 

[Sibaspud]

Can anybody tell me the 'process' Ratten went through?

Don't know how it worked...but there was a panel....

AFL 2019: St Kilda has formally announced their coaching selection panel

Saints formally announce coaching selection panel

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[BrutThough]

Ben should have locked down Ana De Armas.


I like Ross because he demands respect. If you don't show it - you're not playing next week. Does Adam Yze come with that? Who else is there?
I don't want Noble, sorry. I like Buckley but I don't want him at the club. Look at what happened to the Pies this year when Buckley's shackles were removed. I think he'd be Richo 2.0. Leppitsch, no thanks. Caracella's name is too long so we can't have him involved for my sake.

I want what Collingwood has.

 

[jwikked]

ROSS .....RATTS .................................at least with HIRD or YZE they'd demonstrate a svelte body imaage in the SAINTS merch.View attachment 1536414View attachment 1536402

I'm of the opinion the sport needs more big fat dynamo's. There was nothing better than seeing Stewie Dew utilize his heft into kicking 60 meter goals. More pies for the coaches, please.

 

[phantom13]

Yeah fair point, but they could easily have spoken to 4-5 candidates just today. It’s the off season and they know who all the coaching candidates’ managers are.

100%

To be clear I just don’t want us begging Ross and ignoring everyone else.

Personally I don’t think Ross is the answer but wtf do I know?!

 

[bergholt]

He MIGHT be the best candidate if he’s still got the traits he had 8 years ago but then he’s gotta couple that with showing he’s still up to speed on modern gamestyle and plans, how to exploit rules and coach to win.

Not sure about this bit. Separation of duties might mean the coach is responsible for motivation and culture and standards and man management. While Rath or similar might be responsible for strategy and gameplan and style etc.

If that’s the case then RTB could definitely do it.

 

[lewdogs]

I'm not sure about Ross but he is the last coach that consistently had us winning and relevant. If we could get that back I'd be grateful.