List Mgmt. “It’s a form of tanking” the Richmond rebuild

[unitedhawk]

I'm amazed at the number of people on this thread who've veered away from the original point of the original post.

The OP was a criticism of the media's double standards between their respective treatment of Hawthorn's and Richmond's rebuilding strategy. It wasn't a criticism of the Tigers' strategy, which I think almost all of us agree with.

That said, it's fair to say that most of the proper journalists acknowledged their initial error and quickly accepted that the Hawks' strategy was working. We know the one exception to that - the bloke whose name isn't worth polluting this forum with.

Btw, all the best to the Tigers! I really like what they're doing and reckon it'll succeed in the long run, as long as they're prepared for the growing pains of the next few years.

Edit: The key to success for the Tigers will, as ever, be proper development and coaching, not just the innate talent of their rich draft crop.

 

[BF Tiger]

I am saying that, yes. The last time Richmond had a draft hand like they will this year they completely dropped the ball. Not sure why I need to repeat myself to you over and over again

So you’re saying we don’t have poor draft history? So why even put it in the post.

Oh, that’s right… trolling.

 

[Wojcinski]

So you’re saying we don’t have poor draft history? So why even put it in the post.

Oh, that’s right… trolling.

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I am saying the last time Richmond had a draft hand like they'll have this year, they made a mess of it.

We're posting on a text based forum and I'm just repeating the same thing over and over and you cannot seem to follow.

 

[PhatBoy]

No you didn’t in your initially post, you said we drafted poorly. You did not provide any examples of good trades.

Priory picks, Rance for 1 flag at pick 18? Yeah great pickup. That’s it.

You didn’t even scout for your f/s picks. You just got em because they were f/s. Your 3 single flag teams core was built by a fluke.

But you keep telling us Ablett was hopeless.

So we didn’t fluke anything there. He had nothing to do with it.
Hawkins was only a peripheral player in the flags that Ablett played in and wasn’t even in the team for 07 so big miss there.
And Scarlett was the least hyped of all three.

Wow, well researched as always, Big Footy’s answer to Ralph Wiggum.

I’m Idaho.

 

[BF Tiger]

I am saying the last time Richmond had a draft hand like they'll have this year, they made a mess of it.

We're posting on a text based forum and I'm just repeating the same thing over and over and you cannot seem to follow.

I understand what you’re saying. I just don’t believe it. No matter how often you repeat it.

If your only intention was to highlight the instance where we fluffed a great draft hand then explain to me - explain to all of us - what the purpose of your opening line (Unlike Hawthorn, Richmond has a really poor history at the draft).

If you just worded something poorly then admit it. Don’t keep doubling down.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I am saying the last time Richmond had a draft hand like they'll have this year, they made a mess of it.

We're posting on a text based forum and I'm just repeating the same thing over and over and you cannot seem to follow.

I thought you said:

Unlike Hawthorn, Richmond has a really poor history at the draft.

Which seems odd, given their success 2017-2020

 

[Wojcinski]

I understand what you’re saying. I just don’t believe it. No matter how often you repeat it.

If your only intention was to highlight the instance where we fluffed a great draft hand then explain to me - explain to all of us - what the purpose of your opening line (Unlike Hawthorn, Richmond has a really poor history at the draft).

If you just worded something poorly then admit it. Don’t keep doubling down.

You're right, Richmond has a great history with the draft actually, I was just being a little bit silly. There is no possible way that they could stuff up the draft hand they'll have as they've got no history of bad draft picks. It was just my Geelong bias doing the talking.

Hell in another thread one of your fellow Tigers supporters has already claimed Lalor as a future Hall of Famer, can't argue with that!

 

[BF Tiger]

You're right, Richmond has a great history with the draft actually, I was just being a little bit silly. There is no possible way that they could stuff up the draft hand they'll have as they've got no history of bad draft picks. It was just my Geelong bias doing the talking.

Hell in another thread one of your fellow Tigers supporters has already claimed Lalor as a future Hall of Famer, can't argue with that!

So you’re not going to explain what you meant by “Richmond has a really poor draft history”?

Where has anyone actually said Richmond are draft experts? No-one has come anywhere close to saying we’ve got “no history of bad draft picks”. In fact most supporters have fully recognised the 2004 draft as a huge bust for the RFC.

Ooo… someone’s called a kid a future HoF. A kid who’s not even at our club and could end up anywhere. Prob just talking him up because he wants him drafted ahead of some other kid. There’s also Geelong fans out there who think pick 17 is fair for Bailey Smith because of knee injury, social life and questioning if he actually wants to be a footballer. Newsflash… no-one believes any of it.

But you just keep doubling down, troll.

 

[Cleansweep17]

So you’re not going to explain what you meant by “Richmond has a really poor draft history”?

Where has anyone actually said Richmond are draft experts? No-one has come anywhere close to saying we’ve got “no history of bad draft picks”. In fact most supporters have fully recognised the 2004 draft as a huge bust for the RFC.

Ooo… someone’s called a kid a future HoF. A kid who’s not even at our club and could end up anywhere. Prob just talking him up because he wants him drafted ahead of some other kid. There’s also Geelong fans out there who think pick 17 is fair for Bailey Smith because of knee injury, social life and questioning if he actually wants to be a footballer. Newsflash… no-one believes any of it.

But you just keep doubling down, troll.

Tbf if he compliments Richmond in any way he’ll spontaneously combust. I’m gonna give him a break this time for that brain fart.

 

[BF Tiger]

Tbf if he compliments Richmond in any way he’ll spontaneously combust. I’m gonna give him a break this time for that brain fart.

Not after any compliments. Just asking him to explain himself.

 

[Wojcinski]

So you’re not going to explain what you meant by “Richmond has a really poor draft history”?

Where has anyone actually said Richmond are draft experts? No-one has come anywhere close to saying we’ve got “no history of bad draft picks”. In fact most supporters have fully recognised the 2004 draft as a huge bust for the RFC.

Ooo… someone’s called a kid a future HoF. A kid who’s not even at our club and could end up anywhere. Prob just talking him up because he wants him drafted ahead of some other kid. There’s also Geelong fans out there who think pick 17 is fair for Bailey Smith because of knee injury, social life and questioning if he actually wants to be a footballer. Newsflash… no-one believes any of it.

But you just keep doubling down, troll.

I've already explained it lmao why do you keep asking? I explained it in the first post. Your incessant whining about it would be easily solved if you just read that original post

 

[Wojcinski]

Put it this way, I'm glad Richmond has the arrogance to blow up their list and tank for draft picks. Good for them

 

[BF Tiger]

I've already explained it lmao why do you keep asking? I explained it in the first post. Your incessant whining about it would be easily solved if you just read that original post

You mean this post…

Unlike Hawthorn, Richmond has a really poor history at the draft. The last time they had a draft hand like they'll have in 2024 they drafted;

ND:

1. Brett Deledio
4. Richard Tambling
12. Danny Meyer
16. Adam Pattison
20. Dean Polo
36. Luke McGuane
52. Dean Limbach
65. Mark Graham

PSD:
1. Trent Knobel
6. Ty Zantuck

Rookie:
1. Will Thursfield


I say let them 'tank' all they want

So your explanation of “Richmond have a poor draft history” is a draft from 20 years ago whilst ignoring all the drafts since that have produced Brownlows, Colemans, AAs and, ummm, the small matter of three premierships.

Troll.

 

[adammania9]

The judgement on Hawthorn was a very clear error by the media. Sam Mitchell had already made his decision in 2022 before the trade period that Tom Mitchell wasn’t in his primary midfield plans, and Jaeger was a battler. They were right to trade both players.

Tanking as a term has been coined so much it is now completely saturated. It used to define clubs who were intentionally mismanaging their plans in order to take advantage of early picks, especially priority picks when they were handed out like candy. It has been 15 years since the last first round priority pick was handed out by means of W/L record in a season. We know now there is no benefit to tanking.

Tanking is now used to describe any club who is taking a longer term approach that doesn’t necessarily prioritise putting together the best team possible at the earlier convenience. No side in the AFL has tanked since Melbourne.

 

[Freomaniac]

At this point the Richmond rebuild doesn't look like any rebuild. We haven't seen a dynasty team retain its older layer of Premiership players, trade out some of its highest value players(in the immediate sense) and hit a strong draft with something like 6 round 1 picks including pick 1.

The pick 1(and consequently first pick in rd 2, first rookie draft pick, and first pre-season draft pick) didn't happen at other clubs because they didn't have Richmond's 2024 injury issues.

What Hawthorn did initially was trade out(essentially force out) Lewis, Mitchell, Hodge, and the much younger talent Ryan Burton. Their first draft hand of any real strength in 2019 included pick 13(Day) 29(Maginness.) Multiple rd 1 picks only came for them in 2022(7,18) and 2023(5,19.)

Fremantle were not what you would call a successful team under Lyon, but did make 1 Grand Final and I think had a separate Minor Premiership. Their first strong draft hand came in 2017, picks 2 & 5. Then 2019 with picks 7, 8, 9. Then 2021 with picks 8, 10, 21. And now 2024 where they have a strong hand in a strong draft and will likely leverage this to bring in at least one star player.

Again... I think its nuts for Richmond to trade out Bolton, Baker and Rioli all in one hit.

But Richmonds 2024 to 2026 drafting could be like their 2007 to 2009 drafting. Basically stack up on young talent by draft picks or trading in 22 to 25 year olds.

Richmond drafted some key cogs in 2007, 2008 and 2009 before Gold coast came in and had most of the 1st round picks in 2010. Tigers won those flags in 2017, 2019 and 2020 off the back off good long term drafting.

Tigers are being smart. 2024, 2025 and 2026 will be improtant as Tassie comes in 2028 but will have most of the 2027 1st rounders.

Tigers are planning to win the flag by 2032 or 2033.