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List Mgmt. “It’s a form of tanking” the Richmond rebuild
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Going to put it out there that I don't think that they can win a game next year.
Obviously they'll likely Bradbury a team somewhere but their list is now diabolical.
Lost 3/5 of their B&F winners while the other 3 are over 30.
2025, 2026 and 2027 will be a dark time for their supporters. Good news is that they'll be loaded up before Tassie comes in.
Obviously they'll likely Bradbury a team somewhere but their list is now diabolical.
Lost 3/5 of their B&F winners while the other 3 are over 30.
2025, 2026 and 2027 will be a dark time for their supporters. Good news is that they'll be loaded up before Tassie comes in.
Richmond did as well as could be hoped, considering a shitty situation. Think there needs to be caution over all this draft hype though. This draft is unique in the sense that no-one can predict the Number 1 pick, even weeks out. It's an even draft, but that just means there's depth throughout without any absolute Harley Reid superstar talent available.
Also, 20, 23 and 24 are effectively second rounders after all the compo BS. So it's nice media BS, but their real strong picks (which is still a hell of a haul), is 1, 6, 10 and 11. I reckon they trade 6 and 11 for 2 and a Future 2nd (no Future 2nd if it's 18 instead of 11). So they go in with 1, 2, 10 and 18. Say that's Lalor, J. Smith, Armstrong and Faull (as an example), in the first round. That's incredibly solid, but maybe only Smith and Lalor are ready immediately. It's a long game, and hopefully it reaps dividends for them, but it's a lot to base your future on - the success of one draft. You only need to see some recent drafts to see the non-difference between rookie picks and some top-end players.
Development is key, so this will likely be a slow burn as the competition gets more and more even. Bolton, Baker, Rioli, Dusty, Grimes, Pickett, J. Graham - especially with Lynch, Hopper and Prestia all insanely injury-prone and likely not in the side for a lot of next year. It's gonna be rough in the short-term. Wouldn't surprise me if this is what gets rolled out some games (based on hypothesized drafted players):
B: Vlastuin, B. Miller, Gibcus
HB: Short, T. Young, Broad
C: Ralphsmith, J. Smith, K. McIntosh
FO: T. Nankervis, Taranto, Ross
HF: Lalor, Balta, S. Campbell
F: M. Rioli, Lefau, Mansell
INT: T. Brown, McAuliffe, T. Dow, Sonsie, S. Green
Again, all rebuilding sides that go the 'scorched earth' route, face this reality sooner or later. Will definitely depend on how they develop this new crop/if they can keep all of them without other top sides poaching them - promising immediate success.
Will watch with fascination. As this is going to mirror Tassie in a few years, except without the likely forced acquisition of a Best 22 player from 18 other clubs.
Also, 20, 23 and 24 are effectively second rounders after all the compo BS. So it's nice media BS, but their real strong picks (which is still a hell of a haul), is 1, 6, 10 and 11. I reckon they trade 6 and 11 for 2 and a Future 2nd (no Future 2nd if it's 18 instead of 11). So they go in with 1, 2, 10 and 18. Say that's Lalor, J. Smith, Armstrong and Faull (as an example), in the first round. That's incredibly solid, but maybe only Smith and Lalor are ready immediately. It's a long game, and hopefully it reaps dividends for them, but it's a lot to base your future on - the success of one draft. You only need to see some recent drafts to see the non-difference between rookie picks and some top-end players.
Development is key, so this will likely be a slow burn as the competition gets more and more even. Bolton, Baker, Rioli, Dusty, Grimes, Pickett, J. Graham - especially with Lynch, Hopper and Prestia all insanely injury-prone and likely not in the side for a lot of next year. It's gonna be rough in the short-term. Wouldn't surprise me if this is what gets rolled out some games (based on hypothesized drafted players):
B: Vlastuin, B. Miller, Gibcus
HB: Short, T. Young, Broad
C: Ralphsmith, J. Smith, K. McIntosh
FO: T. Nankervis, Taranto, Ross
HF: Lalor, Balta, S. Campbell
F: M. Rioli, Lefau, Mansell
INT: T. Brown, McAuliffe, T. Dow, Sonsie, S. Green
Again, all rebuilding sides that go the 'scorched earth' route, face this reality sooner or later. Will definitely depend on how they develop this new crop/if they can keep all of them without other top sides poaching them - promising immediate success.
Will watch with fascination. As this is going to mirror Tassie in a few years, except without the likely forced acquisition of a Best 22 player from 18 other clubs.
You might not have noticed we finished bottom of the ladder.That best 22
A bit of respect you have 7 dual or triple premiership players in there who are all playing good football or missed through injury.
Lynch, Gibcus and Clarke played 3 between them due to injury. Ross, Taranto, Hopper, Prestia missed half the season. Lefau was good before knee.
Most of the 'nobodies' were first season players like Campbell, Brown who played very well. I'm sure you had some first year players who did likewise. A few others like Ralphsmith and Mansell were good. These should all improve.
But the main point is, our new draft crop will not be thrown to the wolves, because there are behind some good young talent that is just starting off. When they are ready they will add class but will not be treated any differently to other young players.
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I would worry a little more about your own team..
you will be down the bottom end of the ladder beside us
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Richmond didnt tank, they had injuries.
Richmond won the trade period. Richmond made Adrian Dodoro a normal bloke.
Adrian Dodoro always won the trade period each year. Dodoro could only dream half the good trades Richmond done in 2024.
There is: Dyson Sharpe.
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Dockers went 0-10 in 2016 and won only 4 games and finished 16th.
People cand debate on freo trading pick 3 to GWS. dockers got cam McCarthy, pick 8 (Griffen logue) , pick 32 (Brennan cox) and pick 72 (Luke Ryan).
that was a good trade in the end.
Not sure how it can't be considered tanking when 3 players wanted out. You are a bit silly if you try and force those players to stay if they have already checked out.
It would be different if we pushed them out, we didn't do that in fact we gave all 4 players pretty good offers to stay (2 were already on great contracts). We just tried to make the best of a crap situation.
It would be different if we pushed them out, we didn't do that in fact we gave all 4 players pretty good offers to stay (2 were already on great contracts). We just tried to make the best of a crap situation.
We also have a number of premiership players(although just traded 2 out).
If you're retaining your stars, then that makes a difference.
The role players do get shown up.
Richmond did very well out of those trades, considering their hands were tied by those players leaving they'd rather have kept.
It certainly may all blow up in their face but drafting is better now than it was 10 or so years ago.
The concern would be mostly the midfield. Taranto and Hopper are honest triers but not much more, plus Hopper has been perma-injured anyway. There's not much to protect the new kids with
Having said that, most new draftees over the past few years, especially top picks, are far more developed than previous years and this current crop looks no different.
The 'burn it all down' model doesn't appear to have worked for clubs previously trying it however as for the reasons stated above, it's probably fair for Tiger's supporters to be far more optimistic about their club's chances than those who've done it before them.
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makes sense, look at how much Freo paid overs to get Bolton.
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It's poor if you want to win a flag or make finals. It is not winless or 14 x 10 goal smashings poor. It is stronger easily than most of the teams Richmond fielded in 2024, when they had 2 wins and just 4 x 10 goals + losses.
Prestia played the majority of the season last year(13 of 23 games) and 19 and 20 games the 2 seasons prior.
Lynch is entering the pre-season fully fit for the first time in living memory.
They are not certain to play the majority of the season and perhaps it is not even probable, but they have a lot more chance than "practically zero."
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Vlastuin is a below average player? Are you serious or trolling?
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Absolutely a group of mostly role players. Balta is a great KPD, Lynch if fit is a great KPF, Taranto and Hopper good mids. But very shallow pool, without much x factor. So we should have a season of few wins and a lots of patchy form. But hopefully also a lot of learning and little smashing around of our young players.
Agree about our midfield, our Achilles heel, we had a few, last year.
Ross is a big bodied mid who has played good football on the wing but was put back into his rightful spot in the middle and was starting to play good football when, out for season. McAuliffe is young but 88kg hard nut with good skill and quick. Lacked the running power but another preseason and he will be much better.
If they can all work together without injury and a few up and comers going through there and some draftees cameos then it may not be so bad. Will miss Bolton's work through there though.
The only thing that will stop us from being smashed each week is if we have a good run with injuries, we are due. Be nice to see Lynch and Gibcus play most of the season.
Agreed. If Yze wins a game next year give him life membership on the spotThat best 22
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There's going to be a huge reliance on Prestia, Lynch, Taranto and Hopper being fit and in form.
The defence looks ok and I wonder if Short will look better without Rioli there.
If Nank, Taranto, Prestia and Hopper are all fit and firing the midfield will at least win some ball. It could be competitive. It's very, very one paced though and there's not much creativity or defensive resilience in there.
A couple of injuries and they're going to be a mess though cause apart from the very vanilla Ross or Sonsie who looked out of his depth they're relying on 1st or 2nd year players. Surely Dow is finished. I wonder if Rioli can go through there for the odd burst to give them some spark.
The forward line looks really poor and that's assuming Lynch is back to his best.
The challenge really is to maintain training standards and development for the kids when the onfield smashings come. Cause even though I don't agree with the "they won't win a game" stuff there will be smashings at different points.
The defence looks ok and I wonder if Short will look better without Rioli there.
If Nank, Taranto, Prestia and Hopper are all fit and firing the midfield will at least win some ball. It could be competitive. It's very, very one paced though and there's not much creativity or defensive resilience in there.
A couple of injuries and they're going to be a mess though cause apart from the very vanilla Ross or Sonsie who looked out of his depth they're relying on 1st or 2nd year players. Surely Dow is finished. I wonder if Rioli can go through there for the odd burst to give them some spark.
The forward line looks really poor and that's assuming Lynch is back to his best.
The challenge really is to maintain training standards and development for the kids when the onfield smashings come. Cause even though I don't agree with the "they won't win a game" stuff there will be smashings at different points.
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Hopefully you guys get an early crack at them.
Can see you guys beating them by 10 goals. Might be the confidence booster needed to kick start the season.
Agree with much of this, that is why we needed to get as many first round picks in as possible.
Our midfield is slow but can find the ball, our outside speed has been a problem, nobody to give it too bar Dan Rioli....
But Ralphsmith, Campbell, Rioli Jnr, Smith, Green and a few others are quick at least. We need games into these players because they have speed and skill but all bar Ralphsmith first year players. They will be better for last years run. McAuliffe was 5th fastest in his draft year and he is an inside player. None of us know how much these players will improve. Brown the same. I don't agree about Ross, turning into a very good player, Sonsie and Dow I do agree.
Yes we will be relying on young players, but they have a good core of seasoned players around them for another year or two, after that is when I think we could be in strife. But first round pics are usually quality so the turnaround should be quicker than it would have been.
Injuries will sort us out, like they did last year. But at least we get to see 6-9 first round picks going at if rather than mid season or late draft selections which we are more used to.
No.
It's just you.
And of coarse.....it's all about Hawthorn.
To be fair, the usual click farmers in the media were making all sorts of hysterical statements about the Hawks tanking, timed perfectly to coincide with the beginning of their sharp improvement.
The Hawks have very cleverly turned the media around by encouraging their exciting young players to do the sort of silly attention grabbing stuff like goal celebrations the media loves to keep the clicks coming. Whilst at the same time getting those same young players to focus all their real attention on playing winning footy.
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