List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Dogs will want a KPF

Yes this!

....which is why it will be handy that we will finish below them this year as they have to take our scraps

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Not sure O'Rourke will get GWS a top 10 pick like Tyson last year. Tyson was a lot more rated in his draft year.

Shiel is the guy that intrigues me. Along with Treloar the best midfield talent on their list.

 

[HayesTheChamp]

O'Rourke is probs worth a mid 1st round pick - 12-15 I think. Was rated as a talent between 6-8 (GWS reached badly for O'Rourke and Plowman), hasn't shown much at AFL level at all, so his value slips. Buntine should be another one we target, hasn't had that many opportunities either. Would be worth about the same too.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

O'Rourke is probs worth a mid 1st round pick - 12-15 I think. Was rated as a talent between 6-8 (GWS reached badly for O'Rourke and Plowman), hasn't shown much at AFL level at all, so his value slips. Buntine should be another one we target, hasn't had that many opportunities either. Would be worth about the same too.

Don't forget O'Meara and Crouch as mini draft picks as well as Daniher and Mitchell as F/S's. All four rated better than O'Rourke....I can see GWS getting reamed if JOR nominates a club. It'll be like Brissy last year.

 

[God Save Max King]

GWS Reserves just beat Gold Coast Reserves by 190 points. 31 goals!!!!!!! Let's get some of that depth.

 

[joop]

Dogs will want a KPF

Yeh true.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

GWS Reserves just beat Gold Coast Reserves by 190 points. 31 goals!!!!!!! Let's get some of that depth.

Jed Lamb 6 goals
JOR 32 touches

 

[HayesTheChamp]

GWS Reserves just beat Gold Coast Reserves by 190 points. 31 goals!!!!!!! Let's get some of that depth.

Don't think GC have much KPP depth... Very few KPD on their list from memory (who are around 22 years of age).

Jesus though, the GWS Reserves probably have a good 10 first round talents :|

 

[aussierulesrules]

Would you give up pick 3 for O'Rourke and Jaksch? (assuming ladder positions stay the same)

A big no from me. We have plenty who are or could be very good, but not necessarily likely to ever reach the "elite" level in the AFL and I suspect those two would also fit into that bracket and having a top 3 pick gives you a big chance to get someone who is a good chance to reach the "elite" level, so I'd only want us to trade a pick like that for someone that is a good chance to reach that level. I for one think Sheil and Boyd are, for instance, hence having getting them as my ideal outcome over the next two offseasons, even if they were to cost us our first pick each year.

At the right age, that's a key term. In 2020 Shiel will be 27 and exiting his prime, while Peter Wright, Sam Durdin and Hugh Goddard will be 23.

So much this. When we hope to contend, in 2020 and past that

Where are you getting these dates from? Our stated aim is to have WON a premiership by 2020, having been very much in contention prior to that, not to be starting to contend then, 9 YEARS after we got Pelchen on board and started rebuilding our list! We're not aiming to "do a Melbourne" here! We want to be well and truly back in contention by 2018, is my understanding, hence my keenness to target the likes of Sheil and Boyd, who would be 25 and 23yo respectively by that stage, or who's acquisition could potentially bring it forward a year, to 2017, as I said the other day (depending on other things, such as how successful we are in the FA chase).

And since when is 27yo necessarily "exiting their prime"? Most, if not all of our very best "mids" of the past dozen or so years have played plenty of their very best footy after that age (Harvey, Hayes, Dal Santo, Joey, Goddard), some well after that age (with the rest looking likely to), so I see no obvious reason why Sheil won't still be playing top notch footy into his 30's, unless you can forsee some major injury issues he's going to have down the track.

If we want to be properly contending agin by 2018, we surely need someone like Sheil, who will be around that 25yo age bracket then.

 

[Sheeza69]

Don't forget O'Meara and Crouch as mini draft picks as well as Daniher and Mitchell as F/S's. All four rated better than O'Rourke....I can see GWS getting reamed if JOR nominates a club. It'll be like Brissy last year.

Wasn't Tambling rated better than Buddy..
The list goes on, it doesn't matter what draft pick you are once your on a list..O'Meara & Crouch are on target to become A+grade mids, Whilst O'Rourke has been hit with injuries in both his two seasons at GWS..I recall the Dees being questioned over swapping pick's 2 & 9 (Salem) for Tyson & giving up Josh Kelly.. Well his performance this year on the back of a full pre-season, has many punters suggesting he's one of the recruit's of the year with Buddy & Dal..
Statistically he's the second best mid at Melbourne in only his first full season, & yet to hit 21..

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Wasn't Tambling rated better than Buddy..
The list goes on, it doesn't matter what draft pick you are once your on a list..O'Meara & Crouch are on target to become A+grade mids, Whilst O'Rourke has been hit with injuries in both his two seasons at GWS..I recall the Dees being questioned over swapping pick's 2 & 9 (Salem) for Tyson & giving up Josh Kelly.. Well his performance this year on the back of a full pre-season, has many punters suggesting he's one of the recruit's of the year with Buddy & Dal..
Statistically he's the second best mid at Melbourne in only his first full season, & yet to hit 21..

Not what I meant. I'm talking in terms of trade value. The fact that the draft JOR was in was compromised effects his trade value.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Not what I meant. I'm talking in terms of trade value. The fact that the draft JOR was in was compromised effects his trade value.

A whole lot of this, as would the fact that GWS were in major need of precise kicking and a bit of speed and run (both of which he apparently possesses) and also their apparent keenness to get as many from Vic Metro as humanly possible, both of which could have meant that they "reached" for him, when otherwise they may have taken a Wines or Toumpas, for instance.

All in all, if they "reached" for him, in a compromised draft (further compromised by Essendon being able to get Joe Daniher at 10, when he otherwise would almost certainly have gone 1 or 2 and clubs (including GWS) supposedly overlooking Grundy because of the way he allegedly interviewed and/or came across) then he's not likely to be worth anywhere near as much this year in a trade (unless he really starts to perform for GWS), having barely played for GWS and with this year's uncompromised draft being stacked with "talls", who generally have a higher value.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Anyone got possible names of a couple of cheap KPD depth targets from opposition clubs? It's probably more likely we'd go to the state leagues and find one.

I mentioned Cameron Delaney (Lukes younger brother) but he is highly rated at North it seems and contracted so they wouldn't let him go.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Anyone got possible names of a couple of cheap KPD depth targets from opposition clubs? It's probably more likely we'd go to the state leagues and find one.

I mentioned Cameron Delaney (Lukes younger brother) but he is highly rated at North it seems and contracted so they wouldn't let him go.

Posted on SS

Josh Jenkins 25, 198, 104, 34
Jake Carlisle 22, 200, 98, 58
Tayte Pears 24, 192, 92, 68
Tom Campbell 22, 201, 104, 15
Ayce Cordy 23, 202, 99, 19
Liam Jones 23, 197, 97, 63
Sam Reid 22, 196, 96, 61
Tim Membrey 19, 188, 89, 0
David Astbury 23, 195, 96, 37
Jack Riewoldt 25, 195, 94, 143
Tyrone Vickory 23, 200, 97, 81
Todd Elton 21, 197, 97, 1
Liam McBean 19, 202, 86, 0
John Butcher 22, 197, 93, 23
Majak Daw 23, 195, 97, 10
Cameron Delaney 21, 194, 91, 6
Jack Watts 23, 196, 88, 82
James Frawley 25, 193, 94, 123
Tim O'Brien 20, 193, 81, 2
Daniel Gorringe 21, 200, 96, 17
Zac Clarke 24, 203, 97, 59
Levi Casboult 24, 199, 100, 22
Sam Frost 20, 194, 88, 13
Kristian Jacksh 19, 195, 84, 2
Cameron McCarthy 19, 195, 83
Jon Patton 21, 197, 100, 19

 

[God Save Max King]

"Our stated aim", "We want", at the end of the day, as badly as we want it, we will not be able to contend with the Suns and Giants in the next 4-5 years. Their spine will be

May
Thompson
Swallow
Dixon
Lynch
O'Meara

There is no way we will defeat that in 2019 or so, with our currently developing youth still gaining confidence in their game. I'll back our recruiters in to find guns in the draft, and to complete smart trades, but they're expectations are clearly in place to make fans think there are only 2 (this year and next) years of absolute misery, before a gradual rise. In reality it'll be 1-2 years extra. As for trying to speed up the rebuild, that's exactly what Carlton tried to do. That's what Melbourne tried to do under Neeld.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Gold Coast play very tall with Day (196), Lynch (199), Dixon (200) and Smith (205) in the same team.

Two of those guys pre-listed zone selections...And add May as another tall they got outside of the national draft....And Hickey....

 

[Dopey BJ]

Gold Coast play very tall with Day (196), Lynch (199), Dixon (200) and Smith (205) in the same team.

Two of those guys pre-listed zone selections...And add May as another tall they got outside of the national draft....And Hickey....

Uncs wet dream

 

[goodie23]

"Our stated aim", "We want", at the end of the day, as badly as we want it, we will not be able to contend with the Suns and Giants in net 4-5 years. Their spine may be

May
Thompson
Swallow
Dixon
Lynch
O'Meara

There is no way we will defeat that in 2019 or so, with our currently developing youth still gaining confidence in their game. I'll back our recruiters in to find guns in the draft, and to complete smart trades, but they're expectations are clearly in place to make fans think there are only 2 (this year and next) years of absolute misery, before a gradual rise. In reality it'll be 1-2 years extra. As for trying to speed up the rebuild, that's exactly what Carlton tried to do. That's what Melbourne tried to do under Neeld.

A lot can happen over the next few years, between injury, form, other clubs sniffing around and the unexpectable unexpected it's going to be very hard for Gold Coast to keep that line-up together even with the league's backing

 

[Sheeza69]

Not what I meant. I'm talking in terms of trade value. The fact that the draft JOR was in was compromised effects his trade value.

Certainly would, his true draft pick would've been more around 6 or 7 then..I'm keen we nab JOR through the PSD as trading players is not viable yet..

 

[VDS66]

A big no from me. We have plenty who are or could be very good, but not necessarily likely to ever reach the "elite" level in the AFL and I suspect those two would also fit into that bracket and having a top 3 pick gives you a big chance to get someone who is a good chance to reach the "elite" level, so I'd only want us to trade a pick like that for someone that is a good chance to reach that level. I for one think Sheil and Boyd are, for instance, hence having getting them as my ideal outcome over the next two offseasons, even if they were to cost us our first pick each year.

Where are you getting these dates from? Our stated aim is to have WON a premiership by 2020, having been very much in contention prior to that, not to be starting to contend then, 9 YEARS after we got Pelchen on board and started rebuilding our list! We're not aiming to "do a Melbourne" here! We want to be well and truly back in contention by 2018, is my understanding, hence my keenness to target the likes of Sheil and Boyd, who would be 25 and 23yo respectively by that stage, or who's acquisition could potentially bring it forward a year, to 2017, as I said the other day (depending on other things, such as how successful we are in the FA chase).

And since when is 27yo necessarily "exiting their prime"? Most, if not all of our very best "mids" of the past dozen or so years have played plenty of their very best footy after that age (Harvey, Hayes, Dal Santo, Joey, Goddard), some well after that age (with the rest looking likely to), so I see no obvious reason why Sheil won't still be playing top notch footy into his 30's, unless you can forsee some major injury issues he's going to have down the track.

If we want to be properly contending agin by 2018, we surely need someone like Sheil, who will be around that 25yo age bracket then.

Pretty sure we expect improvement in 15, finals 16 contend 17 and 18. so yeah agree with what you said in this post. And yes we will want mid- 20s players coming through at that time. Banger hadn't reached his prime at 27 lol.

 

[sverik25]

Pretty sure we expect improvement in 15, finals 16 contend 17 and 18. so yeah agree with what you said in this post. And yes we will want mid- 20s players coming through at that time. Banger hadn't reached his prime at 27 lol.

I would be very surprised if we made finals in 2016. I reckon if we win around 9-11 games in 2016 and then make the finals in 2017 and contend in 2018 that would be around par.

 

[HayesTheChamp]

Certainly would, his true draft pick would've been more around 6 or 7 then..I'm keen we nab JOR through the PSD as trading players is not viable yet..

My feel is that O'Rourke is worth around a mid 10 pick, i.e. 12-15. He was rated as a 7-9 pick talent not including minidraft, so that pushes him a bit further back. Remember, GWS recruited for needs, rather than talent that year, hence Plowman was taken high as well

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

My feel is that O'Rourke is worth around a mid 10 pick, i.e. 12-15. He was rated as a 7-9 pick talent not including minidraft, so that pushes him a bit further back. Remember, GWS recruited for needs, rather than talent that year, hence Plowman was taken high as well

GWS apparently drafted a lot of Victorian kids so they have a heap of clubs to trade with instead of SA/WA/Bris/GC etc.

 

[Barrels]

Was just watching him on the ch9 show, they were saying 193 cm (same as Reiwoldt) kicked 6 the other week as a KPF but can run through the middle

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face; there's is absolutely no way Nick Riewoldt is under 195cm.

 

[Mowman]

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Nick
Riewoldt
Captain
Height
193 cm
DOB
17-10-1982
Weight
96 kg
Debut
2001