List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

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I would love it but that's not what I said. I said Kennedy or hopper thrown in with Kelly for pick 2 AND 7 or pick 2 ALONE for Kelly.

Anyway, I think you're lost, go back to your own board if you are going to come here and be argumentative.

Ah sorry, yeah I misread, I think that's fair enough.

I reckon 2 is still unders for Kelly but it might just be the best deal that GWS can get for him.
 
I'm a fan of the wholesale list changes. At the moment our list is extremely unbalanced with too many tough inside plodders or unskilled warriors when we are screaming out for some outside run & skill. It's like Richo has had Trout pick players that are similar to himself. Dour, triers, large rumps, no wheels. Even the captain is like a mini-Richo.

Trade Dunstan & Hickey
Retire Roo & Joey
Move Wright & Pierce to rookie list
Delist Savage

Dusty FA
Dunstan & 2018 first for Lever
Hickey pick or swap for Z Jones
3rd round pick for Tucker
Pick 2 - two dads
Pick 7 - Brander
Upgrade Marshall

That brings in pace with Dusty/Tucker/Jones, elite midfield talent with two dads, key backs in Brander & Lever & Marshall to cover ruck depth with Hickey & Pierce traded/moved to rookie list.
 
Ah sorry, yeah I misread, I think that's fair enough.

I reckon 2 is still unders for Kelly but it might just be the best deal that GWS can get for him.
That's exactly it. Comes down to what teams who can afford him will be able to offer. He is a star and would be worth the highest amount any team is willing to trade for a player.
 

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I'm a fan of the wholesale list changes. At the moment our list is extremely unbalanced with too many tough inside plodders or unskilled warriors when we are screaming out for some outside run & skill. It's like Richo has had Trout pick players that are similar to himself. Dour, triers, large rumps, no wheels. Even the captain is like a mini-Richo.

Trade Dunstan & Hickey
Retire Roo & Joey
Move Wright & Pierce to rookie list
Delist Savage

Dusty FA
Dunstan & 2018 first for Lever
Hickey pick or swap for Z Jones
3rd round pick for Tucker
Pick 2 - two dads
Pick 7 - Brander
Upgrade Marshall

That brings in pace with Dusty/Tucker/Jones, elite midfield talent with two dads, key backs in Brander & Lever & Marshall to cover ruck depth with Hickey & Pierce traded/moved to rookie list.

My guess is richo has nothing to do with picking draft players. Anyway I wouldn't be trading hickey even though he would get more than longer. The more I see if longer the less I like as a player in today's game. And I reckon Richmond match what we offer Martin especially if we also want lever and Zac because that would limit what we can offer Martin due to the sc. I for one have no interest in another big cost for a backman. No club in the history of tge draft would have paid big for two tall backs. Rather add another mid or blow away richmond with offer for Martin.


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2 & 7 for one gun. No thanks. We need those two picks to be two potential guns not just the one gun.

Two "potential guns" leads to one gun if you're lucky:

https://www.draftguru.com.au/search/picks/2+7

Quite a few times on that list there are zero guns, a few more times there is one, very few times there are two guns with those two picks.

I'd take Kelly for those two picks, even though it's a bit too high. But if that was the option then I reckon we'd try to trade 2 down to two later first round picks, that we could trade something like 7+10 for Kelly and keep something like 12.
 
Not sure it's fast tracking, just being smart when the best players become available. Boyd to dogs is an example.

Boyd is the worst argument ever, he played one good game and is otherwise a spud. It happened to be in a GF and the idea he might even have been a Norm Smith winner is just for contrast. He will be delisted unless he makes a quantum leap.People complained about Kosi, they would be in tears watching Boyd.

We fast tracked with Carlisle and gave up a top 3 pick. so far Gresham has taken the heat off the trade but he's just a serviceable tall back. I reckon he's not been outstanding in any way and would be no more quality than guys Lynden Dunn or Henry Schade.
 
Two "potential guns" leads to one gun if you're lucky:

https://www.draftguru.com.au/search/picks/2+7

Quite a few times on that list there are zero guns, a few more times there is one, very few times there are two guns with those two picks.

I'd take Kelly for those two picks, even though it's a bit too high. But if that was the option then I reckon we'd try to trade 2 down to two later first round picks, that we could trade something like 7+10 for Kelly and keep something like 12.

I think we are on the same page. 2 & 7 is overs & we would get another decent 'chance' at a potential gun whether in the form of pick 12 or whatever coming back or a second young player from their list then it's a go.

Matt Kennedy is the one I want. Kennedy & Kelly for 2 & 7 & id even chuck in steal knives (pick swap or something like that).

Just my opinion but 2 & 7 is too much, we need to take a gamble or be stuck in mediocrity. I love Kelly by those two picks & $1-1.5M pa is too much investment in one player.
 
If 2nd rounders are useless to GWS then why have they been willing to part with 1st rounders for an accumulation of 2nd round picks?

The point I'm making is that I don't think GWS are as desperate as people are making out for 1st rounders. Purely due to how good their list is, the academy players they have access to which means they don't necessarily need 1st rounders to acquire 1st round talent.

The question was raised on if GWS will prefer first rounders this or next on SEN. One of them spoke up and said why would they be worried about picks next year? Every year they lose players and they know they're going to lose them, come next year they'll shed another gun for a 1st rounder.

They then asked if next year's draft being better than this one, will affect what they will ask for

I don't think I answered your question about GWS trading 1st rounders for multiple 2nd's.
That gave them more points for academy picks.
They had the Riverina as their "development" zone then.
They don't now.
Which is one reason why their past behaviour is no predictor for their future behaviour.
As for the SEN comments above, I don't disagree about them trading out players for first rounders.
That's actually my point.
And we are the only club this year who can give them what they want.
Forget Kelly for the moment, but consider the possibility of trading #2 for Hopper, Kennedy, Himmelburg, and/or any combination of their surplus quality talent.
Would you not expect Ameet to turn a single pick into multiple advantage for us?
And don't restrict the opportunity to uncontracted players only.
Would you say no to Taranto or Smith?
And that's without even considering our own pick.

Look, this is going to play out behind closed doors and who knows what will happen.

Yawkey Way was searching for the method we could build talent over and above drafting/trading.
We have been blessed by the combination of a poor decision by one club and the penalty to another.
We are in the unique position of capitalising on both.
No other club has that opportunity.

We are so going to be trade bandits again.
 
I don't think I answered your question about GWS trading 1st rounders for multiple 2nd's.
That gave them more points for academy picks.
They had the Riverina as their "development" zone then.
They don't now.
Which is one reason why their past behaviour is no predictor for their future behaviour.
As for the SEN comments above, I don't disagree about them trading out players for first rounders.
That's actually my point.
And we are the only club this year who can give them what they want.
Forget Kelly for the moment, but consider the possibility of trading #2 for Hopper, Kennedy, Himmelburg, and/or any combination of their surplus quality talent.
Would you not expect Ameet to turn a single pick into multiple advantage for us?
And don't restrict the opportunity to uncontracted players only.
Would you say no to Taranto or Smith?
And that's without even considering our own pick.

Look, this is going to play out behind closed doors and who knows what will happen.

Yawkey Way was searching for the method we could build talent over and above drafting/trading.
We have been blessed by the combination of a poor decision by one club and the penalty to another.
We are in the unique position of capitalising on both.
No other club has that opportunity.

We are so going to be trade bandits again.
I kind of like the idea of doing what GC did with melbourne where they traded away their early first rounder for a first round downgrade and another first rounder next year

The reason I say this is I think next year's draft will be a cracker and if we play it smart we could end up with another upgrade like we got with this year's first round upgrade

Something like pick 2 for pick 7 and a first rounder next year.

That keeps our options open for more sort after players next year or we have a pick in a good draft.

Then just package up the two first rounders we have this year for kelly.

Means we have kelly plus two first rounders next year

If kelly isn't an option then I'd be chasing whitfield with a late first and holding onto pick 2
 
I think they need to put their plans on hold for a or month or two, unless something is already done dusted. They need to ascertain if the last 3 weeks is just a form slump or something worse - the team just isn't that good. If it's the latter - I'd just use the draft picks on kids and push the rebuild back 2 years. If the boys start winning games again then go after Kelly/dusty.

Billings
Paddy
Newnes
Acres
Ross
Carlisle
Gresh

Will be at their best in 1-2 years hopefully and stay at that level for another 4 or so. So perhaps it's better to go back to the drawing board a little.
 

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Heard this as well. Pies yet to resign him. Adelaide could be the one in the market for him given mcgovern and lever look gone

Pies into lever as well
If I was to put money on where he will be it would be the pies
 
Heard this as well. Pies yet to resign him. Adelaide could be the one in the market for him given mcgovern and lever look gone

Pies into lever as well

Things will be tight Adelaides end with Gibbs already on their radar . Lots of creativity required .
 
I think we are on the same page. 2 & 7 is overs & we would get another decent 'chance' at a potential gun whether in the form of pick 12 or whatever coming back or a second young player from their list then it's a go.

Matt Kennedy is the one I want. Kennedy & Kelly for 2 & 7 & id even chuck in steal knives (pick swap or something like that).

Just my opinion but 2 & 7 is too much, we need to take a gamble or be stuck in mediocrity. I love Kelly by those two picks & $1-1.5M pa is too much investment in one player.

I agree that 2 & 7 is overs. Wonder if we end up with those picks would GWS take 2 and next years first instead. I suppose that will depend on whether we think next years draft will be stronger than this years. Or would GWS throw Hopper into the mix if we have two picks that high?
 
Boyd is the worst argument ever, he played one good game and is otherwise a spud. It happened to be in a GF and the idea he might even have been a Norm Smith winner is just for contrast. He will be delisted unless he makes a quantum leap.People complained about Kosi, they would be in tears watching Boyd.

We fast tracked with Carlisle and gave up a top 3 pick. so far Gresham has taken the heat off the trade but he's just a serviceable tall back. I reckon he's not been outstanding in any way and would be no more quality than guys Lynden Dunn or Henry Schade.

Carlisle is significantly better than Dunn and Schade in every possible way. We also gave pick 5 which became 6. Lets not resort to falsehoods to support our arguements like Kingy and Robbo.

Francis, who was the best available at pick 6, wouldnt have added anything to our side at this stage anyways and would of been considered another non-midfeilder top pick bust if he was playing for us and not the bombers at this stage.

Basically we need to add more outside mids and a little more key defender depth. Wright and Pierce being signed is a major pain, one should be moved to the rookie list. Trade one of Hickey or Longer for a 2nd round, delist Holmes, Minchington and Savage (if we can) and retire Montagna. I'd keep Dunston. Say Steele or Ross goes down all the sudden we are light on inside mids without Dunston and we go back to the drawing board there. He's no where near as terrible as people are making him out on here he just lacks X factor.

I'd use our top 2 picks to bring in mids, if that means Kelly and a 2nd round or something or 2 draftees so be it. Dusty as a FA would be amazing but looks a pipe dream at this stage. If we can get Tucker and/or Balic for a good price I'd take it. Also if Lever or May are available for a 2018 1st jump at it otherwise look at picking up an out-of0favour defender as a DFA again for support. Worked Well last year.

Best result imo would be Trade pick 2/3 + 7/8 for Kelly + pick 25/26. Trade Hickey/Longer for a 2nd round somewhere, trade our 3rd round for Darcy Tucker and our 18 1st + steak knives for Steven May/Jake Lever.

We will probably end up doing 2/3 trades realistically though I think. I also doubt we are that much in the hunt for May or Lever.
 
if we could walk away from this trade period with Kelly and Lever we couldn't ask for much more. Be happy to lose this years and next years first rounders for those two. As Adelaide are proving, mids aren't everything, Lever is a very smart player. Other than dusty/fyfe (FAs), which other mid is worth a first round? Zak jones? Jones v Lever = Lever
 
I don't think I answered your question about GWS trading 1st rounders for multiple 2nd's.
That gave them more points for academy picks.
They had the Riverina as their "development" zone then.
They don't now.
Which is one reason why their past behaviour is no predictor for their future behaviour.
As for the SEN comments above, I don't disagree about them trading out players for first rounders.
That's actually my point.
And we are the only club this year who can give them what they want.
Forget Kelly for the moment, but consider the possibility of trading #2 for Hopper, Kennedy, Himmelburg, and/or any combination of their surplus quality talent.
Would you not expect Ameet to turn a single pick into multiple advantage for us?
And don't restrict the opportunity to uncontracted players only.
Would you say no to Taranto or Smith?
And that's without even considering our own pick.

Look, this is going to play out behind closed doors and who knows what will happen.

Yawkey Way was searching for the method we could build talent over and above drafting/trading.
We have been blessed by the combination of a poor decision by one club and the penalty to another.
We are in the unique position of capitalising on both.
No other club has that opportunity.

We are so going to be trade bandits again.
I think thats an over analysis of gws's needs are very stkilda favourable.
The skys not going to fall if they dont get in the 1st round. Kelly wont be the only giant requesting a trade. Theyll get back into the 1st round regardless through some trade or the other. And to think were the only team that has trade value to satisfy them is a bit of a stretch. North will have a high pick and has a 2nd and has next years 1st. Other teams like carlton also have draft currency.
Yes were a good option but were not alone.
 
Boyd is the worst argument ever, he played one good game and is otherwise a spud. It happened to be in a GF and the idea he might even have been a Norm Smith winner is just for contrast. He will be delisted unless he makes a quantum leap.People complained about Kosi, they would be in tears watching Boyd.

We fast tracked with Carlisle and gave up a top 3 pick. so far Gresham has taken the heat off the trade but he's just a serviceable tall back. I reckon he's not been outstanding in any way and would be no more quality than guys Lynden Dunn or Henry Schade.

Clubs need to take risks, it's part of the game. There is no certainty.
Seriously mate your posts of late are so pessimistic. Every deal we've made is a dud and everyone is against us. Were better off just tanking every year so we can get stacks of first round draft picks and become Melbourne with the 50 year rebuild.
Hang on why don't we just put "Please don't don't beat us by much" on our banner for the players to run through. I think you'd rather our recruiters just sat there browning their underpants and never took any risks.
 
No chance we give up both 2017 1st rounders for kelly. It just won't happen.

Hawks 2017 pick (pick 2) + stk 2017 3rd rounder + stk 2018 2nd rounder.

Or

Stk 2017 1st round pick (7) and 2018 1st rounder (8-14)

Or

Hawks 2017 pick (2) and stk 1st rounder 2018 for kelly and a 2nd round pick 2017.

There's more then one way to skin a cat.

We'll pay a fair and reasonably price.




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