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That style works for tigers though, they have speed all over and run both ways. You proposing changing our game style as of next week? Would need a preseason to implement a change like that. I actually thought we did ok against the Tigers, were right in it at half time. Should have been in front really, with those missed shots at goal. That could have sparked a few more. Tigers then destroyed us in 15 mins like we used to destroy teams. Right now they are the best team but they can be beaten.I'd never dare question the great Clarko, but I just don't know why someone hasn't tried it.
Richmond wasn't that good and now seem invincible.
Perhaps it actually works!
But how can any team (even our mighty hawks) with all our heart, compete with them when they only run 2/3 of what our players do?That style works for tigers though, they have speed all over and run both ways. You proposing changing our game style as of next week? Would need a preseason to implement a change like that. I actually thought we did ok against the Tigers, were right in it at half time. Should have been in front really, with those missed shots at goal. That could have sparked a few more. Tigers then destroyed us in 15 mins like we used to destroy teams. Right now they are the best team but they can be beaten.
Give us a sunny day in the grand final and we got a good chance. Just need to get through Melbourne, tough ask. Beat them and we will do a job on the Eagles. Then beat the Tigers of course.
No I don't see it as a badge of honour that I support Hawthorn. I see it as a badge of honour that I don't support Melbourne. Or did you find that subtle nuance difficult to understand from my fairly patent post.I was part of the Demon Alternative and seated at Dallas Brooks Hall in 1996. Needless to say I voted no.
My Brother was on Hawthorn's senior list for 3 years and parents barrack for your mob, so it will be an interesting Friday night.
I do find it amusing that you think it's some kind of badge of honour that you personally barrack for Hawthorn. It means Jack Shit, mate.
I call BS!No I don't see it as a badge of honour that I support Hawthorn. I see it as a badge of honour that I don't support Melbourne. Or did you find that subtle nuance difficult to understand from my fairly patent post.
You mean distance covered by players? Please explain, provide stats as I'm cluelessBut how can any team (even our mighty hawks) with all our heart, compete with them when they only run 2/3 of what our players do?
How many games does it take to see they grind everyone down in the end?
We can't ask JOM, TOM, Burgers etc to run 4 quarters with them unless we change things up.
YesYou mean distance covered by players? Please explain, provide stats as I'm clueless
they lost 4 games during the year, they are beatable, but I get what you are saying. At the G they are much harder to pull out of their structureBut how can any team (even our mighty hawks) with all our heart, compete with them when they only run 2/3 of what our players do?
How many games does it take to see they grind everyone down in the end?
We can't ask JOM, TOM, Burgers etc to run 4 quarters with them unless we change things up.
We've seen many structures fall apart with the right ammo. In the wet though, they will be hard to beatthey lost 4 games during the year, they are beatable, but I get what you are saying. At the G they are much harder to pull out of their structure
I searched 4 stats sites and none have distanced covered.You mean distance covered by players? Please explain, provide stats as I'm clueless
I need to see stats, any champion data people here? Do the Tigers cover considerably less ground than other opponents? I wouldn't think so, but I'd like to know for sure.I searched 4 stats sites and none have distanced covered.
But at the G on Thursday about halfway through the third quarter they put it up on the scoreboard.
It was all Hawks (maybe one Tiger near the bottom of the top ten) maybe.
I already suspected it but this proved it to me. No wonder they look so fit and grind teams down.
Man I agree on getting some real stats, but I'm telling you I already believed this and then on Thursday saw it mid-way through the third quarter on the scoreboard.I need to see stats, any champion data people here? Do the Tigers cover considerably less ground than other opponents? I wouldn't think so, but I'd like to know for sure.
I'm "lippy" at whom I choose.
Who I support and who you support is irrelevant.
Facts don't care about your or my "feelings".
You are assuming we can play that style with our list. We cannot.Man I agree on getting some real stats, but I'm telling you I already believed this and then on Thursday saw it mid-way through the third quarter on the scoreboard.
The top ten players x distance were all Hawks (maybe bar one, I can't remember for certain)
CONFIRMED!
I don't understand sorry.You are assuming we can play that style with our list. We cannot.
Man I agree on getting some real stats, but I'm telling you I already believed this and then on Thursday saw it mid-way through the third quarter on the scoreboard.
The top ten players x distance were all Hawks (maybe bar one, I can't remember for certain)
CONFIRMED!
Tigers recruited certain types and trained hard for this style of ‘ move the ball frwd at all costs and tackle in numbers , gain meterage in front of the contest ‘ types a few years ahead of us.I don't understand sorry.
'Play that style?'
You mean run 30% LESS?
Last thing I am doing is writing the Hawks off, I think it will be a ripper game, I acknowledge Smith, and where you guys might beat us, and that the Hawks year in and year out are a gun team (that I was jealous of for so long), but whether we have been the most crap team in the last 12 years is not what I am debating, or being lippy about, I reckon looking at the evidence of 2018, that our midfield will pose a problem for you and the supply you can get to kick a winning score. And tell me Viney doesn't remind you of Hodge/S.Mitchell. Also just quietly from what I hear you are carrying a few more injuries than us. Is going to be a bloody close match.Mate, you can pump up the midfield dual all you want, but you’re talking about Mitchell, Jaeger, Burgoyne, Shiels. Worpel is a bull. Smith elite, and Hendo having a cracking year. McEvoy also.
Bring it.
Tigers recruited certain types and trained hard for this style of ‘ move the ball frwd at all costs and tackle in numbers , gain meterage in front of the contest ‘ types a few years ahead of us.
They have a real weird style of game that gives them an edge , it is NOT stat based at all, other than Dusty not too many of their players are exactly elite in too many categories BUT, they DO cover for each other better than us! It may be hard for us to admit to that as supporters but the tigers definitely do the little things better. I saw plenty of our boys give up on certain chases and just watched things unfold. This is something that clarko would be aware of and work hard on as long as it takes.
I mean have a look at our mids numbers, against every other side we probably romp it in but tigers did get 66 I50’s which is a bit of a concern tbh.
It makes sense because if they’re running primarily in only two thirds of the ground they will have the gas to be better at repeat sprints.You can get some of the GPS data from the AFL app. The total distance is pretty similar (287(haw) vs 279(rich)km), but Hawthorn had 4 of the top 5 individual distance covered while Richmond had 4 of the top 5 for repeat sprints. Probably illustrates the point.
Interesting to see that Howe and JOM were our fastest top speeds.
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Firstly - they don’t. To suggest Richmond players only run 8-10kms in a game whilst the opposition mids run 12-15km is patently wrong. They may run slightly less, perhaps 85-90%, but I put that down to the following:But how can any team (even our mighty hawks) with all our heart, compete with them when they only run 2/3 of what our players do?
How many games does it take to see they grind everyone down in the end?
We can't ask JOM, TOM, Burgers etc to run 4 quarters with them unless we change things up.
Dustin Martin has only had 5 possessions for the season in Richmond’s defensive 50.Firstly - they don’t. To suggest Richmond players only run 8-10kms in a game whilst the opposition mids run 12-15km is patently wrong. They may run slightly less, perhaps 85-90%, but I put that down to the following:
1. Their backline intercept mark / rebound better than any other team. Hence the ball spends less time in their back third than most other sides. Hence there are less stoppages that their mids need to attend in their back third. Hence they run 5-10% less in not having to get back to help out.
2. They are more direct and efficient with ball in hand in their front third. They happily take “dirty” entries (ie. not perfect kicks) to their forwards because they back those guys in to win the footy at ground level. Their mids don’t have to push into their F50 because the ball usually goes from entry to shot for goal better than any other team. This means 5-10% less running into their forward 50 to help out.
That makes 10-20% less running which, over the course of a season will keep them comfortably fresher than any other side.
It’s not coachable as such, nor is it tactical. It comes down to having faith in your team mates to do their job, which Richmond has in spades, and being able to run smart - safe in the knowledge that you’re not needed to win the footy.