List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[Present Not Past]

If Blake enables the club to bring in a talented player who can improve the team every time they play then he would have fulfilled his potential to the best of his ability.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Sorry, but I don't get the Geelong taking a huge risk part. Jack played the last 3 games for the year and seemed in good spirit. If he wasn't in a good place then we wouldn't have played him. People are talking like he missed the whole year.

I'm far from a MH expert and realise his circumstances can change but I'd back Stuv to be in the Cats Round 1 team and finish top 10 in their B & F. Won't be a bad return for a paying a bag of peanuts and having help with his salary.

Seemed in good spirit , He played one decent game and looked like me . How do you know he would even get on the park if he was with us next year , he may not even get on the park for them

 

[bird_man]

We essentially are giving up 2 first rounders though...

2nd and Blake would probably fetch a mid - late first.

Let's not forget Acres WAS a first round pick.

Horrible return for Hill.

Nar

Where he was taken in the draft 6 years ago is irrelevant

Jack Watts was pick one

No one is upgrading to a first round picm for Acres.

 

[Mindtraveller]

Seemed in good spirit , He played one decent game and looked like me . How do you know he would even get on the park if he was with us next year , he may not even get on the park for them

Maybe we should put a clause he can't play against us then we're all happy

 

[SaintsSeptember]

absolute garbage. Geelong taking a huge risk with Steven. We will get what he’s worth, which isn’t much, and we are only paying about one quarter of his wage for one year.

What risk?

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

If Blake enables the club to bring in a talented player who can improve the team every time they play then he would have fulfilled his potential to the best of his ability.

That's what we told him when he was first drafted, 'we're gonna train you up blake, give you the best coaching in the biz, make you the player you want to become... so one day we can trade you for overs to freo for brad hill. Now, time to run your 3k.'

 

[George]

People are talking like he missed the whole year.

Well, he did.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

If they’re paying 3/4 of his $750k salary and he doesn’t play.

Correct.

Plus they are now the party responsible for assisting Stuv through his fitness and mental health issues. Although some remain sceptical that all of that is some ploy to get him to the Cats, and that it will all magically disappear once he is surrounded by family, mates and the smell of the Great Ocean Road tea tree bushes, the likelihood is that these issues will linger indefinitely and may ensure he never consistently returns to good AFL footy.

He's a club champion of St Kilda and we would naturally do everything to help him on life's journey. And none of us would complain about that.

However he has not played one game for Geelong at this stage and they may well be left with a long term welfare concern together with paying out a significant wage for little or no return. Plus the disruptive nature of the "will he or won't he play" on a weekly, monthly, yearly basis.

The actual pick used to secure him is the least relevant factor, IMO, when we discuss whether Geelong are taking a risk.

 

[AFLOnline]

We have been very lucky with player retention and loyalty for a long, long time. Not since pretty much Heath Black have we traded someone who doesn't want to be there...

All of a sudden Stuv wants out AND we are forcing Acres and most likely Bruce out too? Imo setting a a dangerous precedence trading players who want to play for us and have been the utmost loyal to us.

 

[ScrappyDo]

With a 3rd rounder and two 4ths next year, we will have a nice opportunity to move up the draft with the amount of clubs looking for academy picks.

There will be a sweet spot somewhere that could see some seriously big gains, maybe 15+ places.
I suppose there will also be a price premium on thise picks so it's better to grab them now.
If we can keep our future 1st for trade bait we'll be very well set, and insulated from the crappy draft.
It's looking very bloody good given where we started from. .

 

[BigPowerForward]

UPDATE
Acres settling in nicely at Fremantle

 

[The_Snake26]

I might have an ITK here... Hearing from a source that Carlton are into Newnes....

Means we get nothing for him. He either signs the contract we put in front of him or he doesn’t sign it and walks to blues as a DFA
Only way we get compensated is if he signs the contract and then we trade him. That’s not going to happen

 

[Darkhour]

Is it bad that I hope Steven has agreed to trade to Geelong so he could get an easy pay packet, cite mental illness and sit out the majority of the year and then retire? Like our St Kilda mole...

 

[D2D3]

We essentially are giving up 2 first rounders though...

2nd and Blake would probably fetch a mid - late first.

Let's not forget Acres WAS a first round pick.

Horrible return for Hill.

Seriously Blake would fetch a 3rd, maybe a very late 2nd at most and I feel like that wasn’t even debated before yesterday. I’ve liked the bloke but unfortunately I think it’s for the best. Pick 10, a future 2nd and Acres sounds about right for me. And is still a lot less than what Bell initially wanted, I doubt we’ll miss Acres come round 1. We’ll likely get a future 3rd or a couple of 4ths back on top I’d imagine.

Throwing in the Stuv pick makes it slight overs but given how unders that pick is for Stuv anyway I have little problem seeing it gone.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Looks like the best mates club will be splitting up Acres/Marshall/Dunstan/Steele and a few more could find themselves on the chopping block in Newnes/Lonie/McCartin/Sinclair.

Far too long we have accepted mediocrity and used the 'young side' speech when our development has been questioned. This is the first time over the last 17 years of following this club that i can say we have been ruthless in the way we operate. Previously it was careless.

As we have seen this trade period, how we value players and what they are actually worth on the open market are polar opposites. Newnes as an example has been a mainstay in our 18 for the past 8 years. Not 1 club touched him for free! that tells you everything you need to know about our level of performance and no wonder we haven't made the finals in years.

Newnes absolutely earned his spot until 2018. Not sure why his performance dropped so dramatically. I'm sure prospective suitors would be asking the same question.

 

[D2D3]

Means we get nothing for him. He either signs the contract we put in front of him or he doesn’t sign it and walks to blues as a DFA
Only way we get compensated is if he signs the contract and then we trade him. That’s not going to happen

Can you be a dfa if you have a contract? I think Carlton might have to trade for him....

Or I guess they can just get him in the PSD

 

[bird_man]

We have been very lucky with player retention and loyalty for a long, long time. Not since pretty much Heath Black have we traded someone who doesn't want to be there...

All of a sudden Stuv wants out AND we are forcing Acres and most likely Bruce out too? Imo setting a a dangerous precedence trading players who want to play for us and have been the utmost loyal to us.

So we keep guys that are good blokes because they want to be there?

We've just freed up over $2m cap space trading those three out.

One doesn't want to be there, another we see as replaceable and another not best 22.

Sometimes you have to make tough decisions

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well, he did.

And still got as many Brownlow votes as Brad Hill.

 

[Ricmel]

We have been very lucky with player retention and loyalty for a long, long time. Not since pretty much Heath Black have we traded someone who doesn't want to be there...

All of a sudden Stuv wants out AND we are forcing Acres and most likely Bruce out too? Imo setting a a dangerous precedence trading players who want to play for us and have been the utmost loyal to us.

We are starting to look a bit like Hawthorn.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Sorry, but I don't get the Geelong taking a huge risk part. Jack played the last 3 games for the year and seemed in good spirit. If he wasn't in a good place then we wouldn't have played him. People are talking like he missed the whole year.

I'm far from a MH expert and realise his circumstances can change but I'd back Stuv to be in the Cats Round 1 team and finish top 10 in their B & F. Won't be a bad return for a paying a bag of peanuts and having help with his salary.

Im not going into it but there’s a lot more going on with Jack than the average punter knows.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

So we keep guys that are good blokes because they want to be there?

We've just freed up over $2m cap space trading those three out.

One doesn't want to be there, another we see as replaceable and another not best 22.

Sometimes you have to make tough decisions

Love Stuv, love Bruce, love Goat.

Bottom line; what we've been doing ain't working.

So happy to try something else.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We are starting to look a bit like Hawthorn.

Except they pick up players like Scully and Patton for chickenfeed.

 

[George]

And still got as many Brownlow votes as Brad Hill.

So you would rather keep Steven then. That's an odd point to make. Or is your point that the Brownlow is not the best measure of a player.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

We have become ruthless. I like it. Like a real footy club. The club is transforming as we speak.

Changes had to be made as we were going nowhere as a side.

Plus get excited about Howard. He is a total stud.

 

[sasaint]

Brucey and Blacres are two of my absolute faves but I can't melt over what's happening. We have competent people running the club now so I'm sure they're working all this out.

Butler in means we have plenty of small forward coverage so that leads me to think that Gresh stays mainly mid next year. So these are the following midfield players ahead of Blake:

Hanners, Billings, Steele, Hill, Gresh, Seb, Clark, Dunstan (a role player yes, but does that role pretty well). We also have Bytel yet to debut who was very highly rates before his injury; and if Zones comes in (presumably to play mainly HBF and mid) then we have up to 10 players ahead of Blake.

I think it's clear that the list managers have realised that either one or both of Blacres and Sincs are probably going to be surplus to requirements next year and have acted accordingly.

But wasn’t Blacres was our only really big bodied mid?