List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[StCicatriz]

thinking about it on the drive into work.

here's what's reported:
OUT: Pick 10, 2020 2nd Rounder, Stuv (Pick 58)
IN: Hill

i think its overs with Stuv going in as well. i think we are getting unders for Stuv but its a sympathy trade.

but then we are supposedly throwing in Acres:
OUT: Acres
IN: Future 3rd rounder

i think that's slight unders for Acres. i think he's worth a future 2nd in that compromised draft.

i don't think we should judge them on the two individual trades but instead what the trade period ends up as a whole. so there's hope we can smooth this over somewhat.

here's the hope. i think if we can use that future 3rd in the Bruce trade we could smooth it over somewhat. so if we can turn Bruce and the future 3rd into a decent pick, we could come out ahead. Bruce is our biggest currency on the board. he should be valued higher than Stuv and Acres combined.

the other alternative is scraping the future 3rd trade for Acres and looking at a pick swap of getting a late 2nd in this draft. or we use the future 3rd to get Jones. then keeping what ever we get from bruce.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Well from pick 6 and 50 we end up getting

Howard
Hill
Jones
Ryder

And then probably Butler amongst all the late pick swaps as well.

Ha ha, but also it was -
:
steven
Bruce
Second rounder
Swap of 3rd and 4th
Acres.

 

[Saintsman33]

Well it's pick 6, 50 Bruce Steven and acres

Steven played stuff all games this year and might not play again, Acres isn't in the best 22 if everyone is fit and Bruce doesn't get a game ahead of King/Membrey/Rowan/Ryder

 

[Diehard Saint]

I think you build your premiership list through the draft still. I think what we've done now will give a sugar hit but at some point we still need to draft some guns if we want real success. We need to get probably 3 Hannerbury quality players still and the draft is the way to get them unless you want to pay overs which limits retention.

Agree to a point. I think it’s a mix.

At the moment though we have King and Bytel who haven’t played. OK at this stage just potential ( like any kid from the draft would be) a very young Coffield and Clark. Clavarino, also young.

If all/ most of those become stars, there is our core for success. We do still have our first rounder for next year.

 

[Pumpkin Head 25]

Have never really understood the fascination on this board with Blake? Is it cause he is tall and plays through the middle? I get he has shown glimpses, but at what point to people realise that glimpses are all you are going to get? With a full list of available players, I can’t see how he could be best 22 next year. Getting $500k off the books (WTF) and a pick around the 50s is a complete no brainer for mine.

 

[joop]

thinking about it on the drive into work.

here's what's reported:
OUT: Pick 10, 2020 2nd Rounder, Stuv (Pick 58)
IN: Hill

i think its overs with Stuv going in as well. i think we are getting unders for Stuv but its a sympathy trade.

but then we are supposedly throwing in Acres:
OUT: Acres
IN: Future 3rd rounder

i think that's slight unders for Acres. i think he's worth a future 2nd in that compromised draft.

i don't think we should judge them on the two individual trades but instead what the trade period ends up as a whole. so there's hope we can smooth this over somewhat.

here's the hope. i think if we can use that future 3rd in the Bruce trade we could smooth it over somewhat. so if we can turn Bruce and the future 3rd into a decent pick, we could come out ahead. Bruce is our biggest currency on the board. he should be valued higher than Stuv and Acres combined.

the other alternative is scraping the future 3rd trade for Acres and looking at a pick swap of getting a late 2nd in this draft. or we use the future 3rd to get Jones. then keeping what ever we get from bruce.

Stuv going in aswell? It’s 58. A nothing pick.

 

[StCicatriz]

Have never really understood the fascination on this board with Blake? Is it cause he is tall and plays through the middle? I get he has shown glimpses, but at what point to people realise that glimpses are all you are going to get? With a full list of available players, I can’t see how he could be best 22 next year. Getting $500k off the books (WTF) and a pick around the 50s is a complete no brainer for mine.

because he was tall people thought looking at the draft highlights he was the next fyfe. players always get linked to what was in vogue at the time of getting drafted. people thought he was skilled as well. silk.

once he got to the club it was obvious that the silk was more like a cotton towel that had been washed 5000 times and dried in the middle of the gobi desert. in fact you could have used it for wood working, such as it's coarseness.

then we found he couldn't play in the guts. he just didn't know how to do it at the highest level.

 

[NeXus Nick]

Dont be surprised if we get Jones without the Bruce deal.
We may yet keep Josh. Terrible look for Bains.
Raided his old club for contracted player, tried to lowball and then didn't get it done.

Who would put their hand up for that shit if you were a player? Amateur hour.

And what do you base the above on?

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'm ready.

 

[Rollee]

Ha ha, but also it was -
:
steven
Bruce
Second rounder
Swap of 3rd and 4th
Acres.

I just think we are getting unders for Bruce acres and Steven.
You can't get a proven tall forward anywhere this draft never mind pick in the 30's.
Acres is second round pick every day.
Steven should be second round as well.

 

[StCicatriz]

Stuv going in aswell? It’s 58. A nothing pick.

its what Stuv got us. i don't know how you can obfuscate it from the discussion if it ends up as part of the Hill trade

 

[joop]

its what Stuv got us. i don't know how you can obfuscate it from the discussion if it ends up as part of the Hill trade

So you’d rather keep pick 58 rather than it help get Hill over the line?

 

[George]

Not looking at the entire trade haul is very silly. Complaining about trades in isolation without considering the bigger picture. Almost as silly as me saying pick 10 for Dan Butler is a shit deal.

Makes no sense to me. We are paying overs for Hill and unders for Howard, overall we have been very very successful here, turned over a quarter of the list with pick 6, 55, and a few delistings. Excellent business.

 

[StCicatriz]

So you’d rather keep pick 58 rather than it help get Hill over the line?

yeah that's not what i said at all nor what i am suggesting

 

[Premium]

thinking about it on the drive into work.

here's what's reported:
OUT: Pick 10, 2020 2nd Rounder, Stuv (Pick 58)
IN: Hill

i think its overs with Stuv going in as well. i think we are getting unders for Stuv but its a sympathy trade.

but then we are supposedly throwing in Acres:
OUT: Acres
IN: Future 3rd rounder

i think that's slight unders for Acres. i think he's worth a future 2nd in that compromised draft.

i don't think we should judge them on the two individual trades but instead what the trade period ends up as a whole. so there's hope we can smooth this over somewhat.

here's the hope. i think if we can use that future 3rd in the Bruce trade we could smooth it over somewhat. so if we can turn Bruce and the future 3rd into a decent pick, we could come out ahead. Bruce is our biggest currency on the board. he should be valued higher than Stuv and Acres combined.

the other alternative is scraping the future 3rd trade for Acres and looking at a pick swap of getting a late 2nd in this draft. or we use the future 3rd to get Jones. then keeping what ever we get from bruce.

would be really happy with that , if it turns out that way

 

[LiterallyNobody]

So we get Jones and hill for Steven Bruce acres and 10. Yuck

Sorry to bust your bubble buddy but that's exactly what's going to happen even without all the clubs. Bruce pick goes to Sydney, Steven pick goes to Hill, Acres will get us a future 3rd

 

[Rollee]

We are paying a kings ransom for hill. The doggies can do the same for Bruce.

 

[Snailspace13]

Trades can be completed before 3 but no paperwork can be lodged... which I suppose always allows some purple fool going back on his word again.

So any trades dependent on others can be agreed to but not officially signed off by HQ.

I am sure they will put the Completed Trades in an order to suit,to have all of the AFL World on there Toes.
And surely Dodoro produces the Climax at the Finish and the Daniher to Sydney trade gets done with 30 seconds left on the Clock.

 

[Joffaboy]

I just think we are getting unders for Bruce acres and Steven.
You can't get a proven tall forward anywhere this draft never mind pick in the 30's.
Acres is second round pick every day.
Steven should be second round as well.

Lol Acres is not a second rounder and is on 500 large in 2020.

To get a third and a salary dump is excellent..

Steven may never play again and we also lose 500k of his salary.

Bruce has yet to be traded and 32 has been rejected.

 

[mighty_sainters]

If we get all of our targets and keep next years first we win trade week regardless of any other picks in my opinion.

We can’t go to the draft forever, topping up with mid age players is perfect for where we are at.

I got on Saints yesterday at $51 to win the flag, hoping we have a great start and the cash out is healthy!

 

[compact72]

Why risk it? You have offered a contracted player 4 x 750 and then tried to lowball.

Absolute poor trading

Not poor trading, they have a strategy. They think it will work.

That's fine if you want to keep 13, but you need to find other ways. Trading up, using a future pick, trading out a player.

It is a poor look to offer big contracts and then not be willing to at least give a fair trade in return.

They're finding other ways. Trading out our future pick isn't a good idea due to the points we need next year. Pick 32 + Jong for Bruce? no worries, where do I sign?

You're a competing team next year and with Bruce and Keath next year in your team top 4... is a no brainer... Pick 13 for 2 starters... Would do it in a heartbeat if I was your club.

I would've split the 13 into Keath and second-round pick. Then use that second-round pick on Bruce and boom, done. Obviously the doggies know better then me, so I'll have to just trust them on it. Doesn't matter what I think or would do

 

[puppy_dog7]

If these trades get through then our age profile is looking really good. A lot of them in or just about to enter their prime. Still plenty of improvement from most of these players. Could have a surprising year next year.

Webster (26) Howard (23) Geary (31)
Savage (29) Carlisle (28) Battle (21)
Billings (24) Ross (26) Hill (26)
Gresham (22) King (19) Hind (24)
Lonie (23) Ryder (31) Membrey (25)
Marshall (24)Steele(24)Hannebery(28)
Clark (20) Wilkie (23) Dunstan (24) Jones (25)

emg. Parker (23) Sinclair (24) Paton (21) Long (22) Kent (25) Coffield (20) Austin (24) Langlands (20)

 

[andolate]

I just want the Saints to kick 90+ points every week.

I dont give a rats arse how they do it and if we lose. It will be much more watchable.

 

[StCicatriz]

Not looking at the entire trade haul is very silly. Complaining about trades in isolation without considering the bigger picture. Almost as silly as me saying pick 10 for Dan Butler is a shit deal.

Makes no sense to me. We are paying overs for Hill and unders for Howard, overall we have been very very successful here, turned over a quarter of the list with pick 6, 55, and a few delistings. Excellent business.

spot on. which is why these reported trades should be taken with a grain of salt. i don't think as it's currently reported is any good for us:
OUT: Pick 10, 2019 2nd Rounder, Stuv, Acres
IN: Hill, 2020 3rd Rounder

your initial reaction yesterday was spot on: its overs for hill.

if it ends that way we've lost. with what Gags, Lethers and Gubby have done to date. i doubt they're happy with that. i think there's more to play out. which involves getting Jones/Butler and getting back into the 2nd round this year.

i think they're after something in the 2nd round this year plus Hill, Howard, Ryder, Jones, Butler. with the end outs being Pick 6, 2010 2nd Rounder, Stuv, Bruce, Acres, plus the later picks like 3rd and 4th rounders be it this year or next. which would be a good result.

 

[bird_man]

its what Stuv got us. i don't know how you can obfuscate it from the discussion if it ends up as part of the Hill trade

It's shit that we lose Stuv for **** all but our hands are tied


Would it help you if we still had 59 and we used that in the deal instead of 58 though?