List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[Savatage]

Oh dear god, on foxfooty:

"Acres can also line up in attack and can pinch-hit in the ruck if necessary."

Let them run with it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes

Membrey plays as a key forward. It doesn't matter how tall he is. That's why key defenders line up on him every week.

He has similar contested marks, marks inside 50's and goals to Jack Riewoldt and Tex Walker.

Bruce actually plays better at ground level than Membrey. That's the real issue with being "too tall".
King seems to be very good down low, and so is Marshall.

 

[TheJackal]

So who can give me instructions on how to change your username?

I'm rattled, I get it, but I'm shattered.

 

[Sir Skid]

Oh dear god, on foxfooty:

"Acres can also line up in attack and can pinch-hit in the ruck if necessary."

If Freo play Blake in the guts and leave him there they will have a player.
Saints almost always played him out of position.

Best of luck GOAT

 

[bergholt]

When we had Armitage and Steven playing at their career best in the midfield , along with Reiwoldt and Membrey in the forward line, Bruce kicked 50.
I'm always stunned when people don't see how hard Josh works to create something.

I agree on his work rate. Still I won't miss him too much when he's gone - I think it makes perfect sense given his age (8th oldest on the list) and position (one of 5/6 who can play as tall forwards). We'll be worse next year without him but should be better in three years.

 

[lewdogs]

Interesting quote from a Port fan re: Howard. Sounds like a legend.

Dougal was no trouble. Dougal is a terrific young fellow. I say this from experience. He came up to HK with Ollie for GF weekend 2016 nursing a repairing ACL. Port Woolwich and I spent several hours with them. We were impressed totally with Dougal and on top of the personal connection with him - he came over to us at the 2017 Shanghai game, sat down and chatted some more - we both wished and expected a solid future for him at Alberton.

The Club did not want to lose him. But what do I mean by ‘the Club’. It is not the same anymore.

For some reason at exit time Cripps was prompted to suggest to Dougal that he check the market. Dougal had no prior inclination to do that; he was happy at Alberton despite Hinkley’s proven total inability to know what to do with key position talls. The suggestion either originated with Hinkley or was interpreted by Cripps to originate with Hinkley.

Whatever. Once the suggestion was made ... and the offers came in ... Dougal thought, as would you and I, that he was not valued as high as he valued the Club, and human nature took over.

One more smashed brick in the wall by that busterd Hinkley and his incompetent employers whose names also start with K.

 

[bergholt]

If Freo play Blake in the guts and leave him there they will jave a player.
Saints almost always played him out of position.

Best of luck GOAT

All the press suggests he'll play on the wing for Freo, which is where he had minimal success for us. Personally I can't see him playing inside mid ahead of Fyfe and Mundy.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think Bruce and Blake were told they might be traded and given visions of bleak futures to push them. We wanted to be able to pull out of the deals but the wheels were already in motion. Good clubs have depth and both would have been better than the return we will get for either.

The club seems to be going very money ball with lots of players we chased "statistically" underrated. It looks like we used that Hawks stats guy to target players. I can't see us having a massive improvement next year because for everything we have brought in we seem to have lost something too. Hopefully everything goes right though. We look to be focussing 4 years down the track though.

Hawks go money ball.
We go paying overs for underrated players.

 

[D2D3]

On Bruce being traded

Personally thought it was fine until the BING chase was a no go. Listening to Lethers last night it seems he is locked in on Marshall and Ryder swinging forward in rotation.

Are they enough though to cover a 35-50 goal a year forward? Listening to Port supporters Ryder isn't much good up forward apparently.

From another angle will Jones output be an upgrade on Bruces remembering at the end of the day the aim is to kick more goals then the opposition.

Surely we have options to send players to Sydney to appease them for Jones.

It's fine as well to say well Bruce wants to go to the dogs now but from accounts he wanted to stay until we pushed him out.

Im not a huge fan of the Bruce trade but if Ryder and Marshall kick 15-20 odd each and if king emulates his brother’s first season and goes at about a goal a game I think we can cover the loss. Forward line definitely looks better with Bruce though, I hope we get more than just Jones for him.

 

[falkstar]

Would happily delist Newnes and also Dmac and pay out his stupid contract extension before letting Acres walk. He'll you can throw in another 10 names from our current list.

This
So yep trade period looking good, but that McKenzie extension looks so bad compared with not offering acres that contract. I’m absolutely filthy. What makes this sport is the people involved and the emotion.

Sure we want that flag, but would you really swap the experience of players l

That Hill deal is crazy overs for a non elite player, rather a very good one.

nobody wants dmac. That would be the reason.

That is true, yet we have him a 3 year deal a few months back. Not Gags finest decision

 

[StCicatriz]

Colin Young just got acres 2 more years he otherwise would not have got

He's done well acres for what his actual output is

I worry how much we are valuing our own stock vs the incoming stock

Buying high selling low

The port trade was an A+
The reported stuv, hill and acres trades are a D-

 

[Peterbudge]

Acres going so late in the period only seems to make sense if we need to get something extra for the Jones deal or we are bringing another player in.

His exit meeting was a couple of months ago and Hill and Jones have been on the cards since halfway through the year. It would seem a bit strange that the day before trade peruod ends he gets told or realises he might struggle to make the best 22.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree on his work rate. Still I won't miss him too much when he's gone - I think it makes perfect sense given his age (8th oldest on the list) and position (one of 5/6 who can play as tall forwards). We'll be worse next year without him but should be better in three years.

To me it makes sense to trade him while he still has currency.
The offer we have from the Bulldogs suggests there is no currency. I still think we should be talking to the Bombers to talk to him, so we can get a 3 way happening with Sydney. Its a bit late for that now though.

 

[TheJackal]

Interesting quote from a Port fan.

At least they got near enough to a first rounder for him. We are giving away our equivalent fan favourite.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I think we’ve really picked up an absolute beauty here in Dougal boys.
Worth pick 6 alone.
Anything else we get is icing on the top.

 

[joop]

Not that I mind losing Acres, but if Freo had already agreed to the deal, why would we then send a contracted Acres to them as an "add-on"?

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

I was just told Acres was informed at his exit meeting, the club wouldn't hold him back from testing the water outside.

Maybe someone can shed a bit of light on this, but it sounds to be on the money after the last 24hours.

If so it shouldnt come as a shock to Blake to be traded, then again it is late in the trade period and it may have rattled his cage a little

Not a shock to Blake at all. Just disappointment.

Acres was informed at his exit meeting that he would be actively shopped around. These melts were forewarned on August 30 in part 2 of this thread!

Best part about the Ratts appointment is that he has had a year to asses the playing list up close. Now Blake might become a superstar at Freo. Who knows what will happen there. But after 6 years and 75 games, we can be pretty confident it was never going to happen at St.Kilda. All the best Blake

 

[busso_mick]

I think the thing with Acres is he is built for football with his height and strength but his output has not matched his physique. It created a style over substance situation that polarised Saints fans. To me his lack of urgency and appearing to switch off was something that frustrated me.

His best performances were very good and that is why he was such an enigma. Good luck to him in going to Freo, it might be the kick up the bum that he needed to be more consistent.

 

[chris_h_11]

I'm going on the record to say Í dont like this. Acres has all the tools and 1 day it's gonna all come together.

I still think Acres replaces the future 2nd in the rumoured deal, and we use that pick for Jones, meaning we aren't forced into shipping Bruce out for unders.

 

[bergholt]

The offer we have from the Bulldogs suggests there is no currency.

When his name was first mooted I thought we should only trade him for pick value between 10 and 25. It was realistically never going to be the low end of that range, so if the final package has him around low-mid 20s then that feels fair to me. If it's 30-40 then I'll be disappointed. Over that will be terrible.

 

[StCicatriz]

Not that I mind losing Acres, but if Freo had already agreed to the deal, why would we then send a contracted Acres to them as an "add-on"?

Spot on

Hill for 10 plus a 2nd rounder plus stuv is already overs

To add acres to it as well is madness when it's already massively over

Hill has 3-4 good years of footy left if that. Maybe never again at the levels we've seen the last two years.

 

[D2D3]

Colin Young just got acres 2 more years he otherwise would not have got

He's done well acres for what his actual output is

I worry how much we are valuing our own stock vs the incoming stock

Buying high selling low

The port trade was an A+
The reported stuv, hill and acres trades are a D-

For me the Hill and Acres trade is only bad if we get nothing back at all which seems unlikely. Acres would be lucky to fetch us a 3rd rounder on his own unfortunately

Stuv for 58 is a massive kick in the guts though

 

[StCicatriz]

For me the Hill and Acres trade is only bad if we get nothing back at all which seems unlikely. Acres would be lucky to fetch us a 3rd rounder on his own unfortunately

Hes contracted so there needs to be something okish coming back. Like a late 2nd this year. If not we cancel out the future 2nd and a future third is used instead.

 

[Spider Eater]

So who can give me instructions on how to change your username?

I'm rattled, I get it, but I'm shattered.

Can we get a poll going and canvas some new proposals

How about Howard's Dougal

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This
So yep trade period looking good, but that McKenzie extension looks so bad compared with not offering acres that contract. I’m absolutely filthy. What makes this sport is the people involved and the emotion.

Sure we want that flag, but would you really swap the experience of players l

That Hill deal is crazy overs for a non elite player, rather a very good one.


That is true, yet we have him a 3 year deal a few months back. Not Gags finest decision

To me McKenzie has potential to be a good run with player.
Why does Steele need to be a tagger? Its not like he has the Clinton Jones disposal issue. Can we not "Coach" him to play as a regular inside mid, despite what he seems to prefer? AFL is not about sitting in your comfort zone.