List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[robbieando]

I don't think it works like that. I could be wrong

We can keep a player on the rookie list forever as long as they are redrafted via the rookie draft every three years. In Fox's case, he can re-sign as a rookie listed player for 2022 without any issue. However, as we delisted him from the senior list last year he is a free agent this year so could go to another club if he wanted.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Is this also confirmation that the Crows are after him?

That's correct.

 

[Bloods86]

Re: Dawson, Stephens, Gould - I understand the Crows are on the rebuild and probably have some $$ to spend, but I still don't get why the SA clubs are the only ones being talked about. Hewett I can understand since he's from the other side of Adelaide, but these 3 are all from places between 4-5hrs from Adelaide, and only 5-6hrs from Melbourne. Not much difference. So instead of 2 clubs, there's 12 clubs to worry about re: a go home factor. Not that I think there's anything to actually worry about, particularly for the established players.

 

[SwansProudly]

FWIW. Have a family contact of Dawson's here in SA. He's very settled in Sydney and is going nowhere unless Sydney's contract offer is a low-ball compared to what Crows are offering.

You cannot blame Jordan if the Swans do not look after him

 

[BloodySwan]

So what's our offseason?

Delist:
Clarke
Sinclair
Gray
O'Riordan
Ling
Ronke

Resign everyone else

Bring in Lipinski

Trade in Lynch (unlikely to happen)

Draft best 4 players available

Pick up McCartin as a DFA after Naismith is listed on the LTI

 

[FreeAgent1]

So what's our offseason?

Delist:
Clarke
Sinclair
Gray
O'Riordan
Ling
Ronke

Resign everyone else

Bring in Lipinski

Trade in Lynch (unlikely to happen)

Draft best 4 players available

Pick up McCartin as a DFA after Naismith is listed on the LTI

Surely we retire Naismith…SURELY

I think we will keep Sinclair on the list in that case on absolute minimum $$$

if we sign McCartin to also play def we will not likely also sign Brand….

I think the club will also hold off Resigning Reid and Hewitt until the bitter end.

 

[Bloods86]

So what's our offseason?

Delist:
Clarke
Sinclair
Gray
O'Riordan
Ling
Ronke

Resign everyone else

Bring in Lipinski

Trade in Lynch (unlikely to happen)

Draft best 4 players available

Pick up McCartin as a DFA after Naismith is listed on the LTI

OK with your delistings, except for:

Sincs - probably need to keep him as a backup. Not sure we see Amartey as a full game ruck, McLean same and being played as a fwd, Naismith no guarantee to get back, McAndrew not anywhere near ready. My only caveat is if we somehow pick up a draftee, DFA or mature rookie that's physically ready to ruck.

COR - doesn't deserve to be delisted. Perfectly capable medium defender which I'd be happy to have playing seniors. I'd keep him on if he's willing.

Of course if Ronke or Ling somehow show some incredible signs in the last few VFL games, I'd consider a rookie spot. Not holding out for that.

Not sure we'll draft 4 players. Don't have a 3rd rounder and we have McLean, Wicks, even Fox we might want to upgrade to senior list. I'd say unless we trade in a pick, or split one, we'll draft 2 players and upgrade a few, free up some rookie spots for that draft. Though I'm of the opinion, if we rate some players in the 20-50 range to meet specific KPP or ruck needs, I'd like us to bring over our 2nd or 3rd rounder from next year and bank the talent now, get them developing.

Not sold on McCartin yet, but if he's a DFA then I'm ok with it.

 

[Kiama Chris]

So what's our offseason?

Delist:
Clarke
Sinclair
Gray
O'Riordan
Ling
Ronke

Resign everyone else

Bring in Lipinski

Trade in Lynch (unlikely to happen)

Draft best 4 players available

Pick up McCartin as a DFA after Naismith is listed on the LTI

I seriously doubt we will trade out anyone unless it's the Aliir scenario where the length and/or $ are too much to match.
I'll be amazed if we trade in anyone other than a KPD or a ruck. No big fish.
So, at most, two spots required for those.
At both drafts we will probably go for 4 in total. Remember we are unlikely to have anything higher than 12th.
So 4 spots for draftees.
That means 6 retirements/delistings including Naismith on the LTI.
Sinclair will probably retire.
Naismith LTI
4 Delistings
So many are out of contract! My choice not to recontract, ie delist:
Gray won't make seniors again.
Ling his body has failed him.
Ronke passed now by Sheather.
Clarke really sad because he's such a trier but would only keep if Hewett left.
The others mentioned above can play seniors if needed without anyone blowing a gasket. Brand most at risk, but we are still skinny for defenders.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Surely we retire Naismith…SURELY

I think we will keep Sinclair on the list in that case on absolute minimum $$$

if we sign McCartin to also play def we will not likely also sign Brand….

I think the club will also hold off Resigning Reid and Hewitt until the bitter end.

Naismith is contracted until end 2022. He might choose to retire but hisxrehab costs money and should be covered by his player insurancecso I doubt it- yet. LTI for now.

 

[RUNVS]

FWIW. Have a family contact of Dawson's here in SA. He's very settled in Sydney and is going nowhere unless Sydney's contract offer is a low-ball compared to what Crows are offering.

Problem is I think the Crows would have the salary cap room to offer him a big contract.

 

[BloodySwan]

Surely we retire Naismith…SURELY

I think we will keep Sinclair on the list in that case on absolute minimum $$$

if we sign McCartin to also play def we will not likely also sign Brand….

I think the club will also hold off Resigning Reid and Hewitt until the bitter end.

I don't know if we can force Naismith into retirement as he's still contracted

I'm also not convicned we get rid of Brand. Do we think we can get anyone better than him? Will likely leave until the very end and struggle to find a KPD - including P. McCartin

Reid and Hewett are clear best 22 players. The club would be very mistaken in letting either go

OK with your delistings, except for:

Sincs - probably need to keep him as a backup. Not sure we see Amartey as a full game ruck, McLean same and being played as a fwd, Naismith no guarantee to get back, McAndrew not anywhere near ready. My only caveat is if we somehow pick up a draftee, DFA or mature rookie that's physically ready to ruck.

COR - doesn't deserve to be delisted. Perfectly capable medium defender which I'd be happy to have playing seniors. I'd keep him on if he's willing.

Of course if Ronke or Ling somehow show some incredible signs in the last few VFL games, I'd consider a rookie spot. Not holding out for that.

Not sure we'll draft 4 players. Don't have a 3rd rounder and we have McLean, Wicks, even Fox we might want to upgrade to senior list. I'd say unless we trade in a pick, or split one, we'll draft 2 players and upgrade a few, free up some rookie spots for that draft. Though I'm of the opinion, if we rate some players in the 20-50 range to meet specific KPP or ruck needs, I'd like us to bring over our 2nd or 3rd rounder from next year and bank the talent now, get them developing.

Not sold on McCartin yet, but if he's a DFA then I'm ok with it.

Sinclair hasn't played for a couple months now. Feel like the writing is on the wall, the club would rather play McLean or Amarety than bring Sinclair back

COR has been at the club for 6 years now. He's too far out of the 22 to warrant another contract IMO

 

[the hypnotoad]

I seriously doubt we will trade out anyone unless it's the Aliir scenario where the length and/or $ are too much to match.
I'll be amazed if we trade in anyone other than a KPD or a ruck. No big fish.
So, at most, two spots required for those.
At both drafts we will probably go for 4 in total. Remember we are unlikely to have anything higher than 12th.
So 4 spots for draftees.
That means 6 retirements/delistings including Naismith on the LTI.
Sinclair will probably retire.
Naismith LTI
4 Delistings
So many are out of contract! My choice not to recontract, ie delist:
Gray won't make seniors again.
Ling his body has failed him.
Ronke passed now by Sheather.
Clarke really sad because he's such a trier but would only keep if Hewett left.
The others mentioned above can play seniors if needed without anyone blowing a gasket. Brand most at risk, but we are still skinny for defenders.

i seriously HOPE we don't trade out anyone, or spend much bringing anyone in ... have posted several times on this; money we have should go on keeping together potentially the best young squad the swans have had since the move to sydney ... certainly, pay dawson what he wants, because he will be the target of more than just a crows offer, the vic media are now all over him
do what we can in the draft to get key defender and another ruck, but i'll repeat a question i asked some weeks ago ... can mclean be turned into a key defender? that would be a major bonus

 

[Bloods86]

Sinclair hasn't played for a couple months now. Feel like the writing is on the wall, the club would rather play McLean or Amarety than bring Sinclair back

COR has been at the club for 6 years now. He's too far out of the 22 to warrant another contract IMO

As 2nd ruck/fwd, Amartey is favoured yes. If Hickey goes down, Sinclair comes in, it's that simple at the moment. The club wouldn't be playing Amartey and McLean as a ruck/fwd duo, when Sinclair is 'fit', unless we were up against a club who also had ruck troubles (e.g. GC).

COR is not 'too far' out of the 22, he's played this year, was unlucky to get dropped, should have been playing in defence when we put Hewett back there, and was sub this week! Fox, Cunningham etc go down and he's got first dibs.

 

[SSwans2011]

Or get traded.

Want someone to pretend to take a mark up the line and kick a goal a game? Well I have the guy at half the price. And already on the list!!

Shame - apparently one is the "face" of the Swans. Both dedicated forwards now although one can ruck.

Lets see how this works out.

The face of the Swans apparently won us a game once all by himself Buddy like.....or maybe not, I can't recall it nor can anyone else if they are serious and not pathetic sycophants.

By the way both can play. Both are exceptional at their best. I don't "HATE" either of them whatever the fu** the kiddies mean by that. One is horribly overpriced for output. One is simply overpriced but tall so that explains it.

Choices matter.

I want a A grade key post defender. Top of the tree stuff. And I can trade one them and probably get that player. Or a complete bull mid - and probably get it. Only one can be traded for it though. And not some bullshit made up pie in the sky stuff. Real world stuff.

Do it in a heartbeat and trade the face. Can't get it for the tall guy. Laughably simple business decision.

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Lmfao you think McLean can replace Heeney

I don't think I've seen a take more separated from reality on this board

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Lmfao you think McLean can replace Heeney

I don't think I've seen a take more separated from reality on this board

People are forgetting how good Heeney was before getting injured this season bloke was in AA form...McLean is so one dimensional. Amartey has come in and been twice the player.

 

[SSwans2011]

People are forgetting how good Heeney was before getting injured this season bloke was in AA form...McLean is so one dimensional. Amartey has come in and been twice the player.

I think McLean is a good option to have as far as depth goes, but he's a bit of a liability, especially defensively, when the conditions don't suit. Heeney, on the other hand, regardless of form, will always play a hand in our defensive pressure, and will certainly worry opposition players in the back half more than McLean (which is critical to the way we're playing IMO).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think McLean is a good option to have as far as depth goes, but he's a bit of a liability, especially defensively, when the conditions don't suit. Heeney, on the other hand, regardless of form, will always play a hand in our defensive pressure, and will certainly worry opposition players in the back half more than McLean (which is critical to the way we're playing IMO).

There is that too, McLean defensively might as well be on the bench, sure he's okay if the ball is kicked perfectly to him but the game has moved on from one dimensional stay at home forwards. It is why I rate McDonald so much he works so hard in defence putting pressure. As a forward or anyone for that matter what you do without the ball is more important that when it is on your terms.

 

[SSwans2011]

There is that too, McLean defensively might as well be on the bench, sure he's okay if the ball is kicked perfectly to him but the game has moved on from one dimensional stay at home forwards. It is why I rate McDonald so much he works so hard in defence putting pressure. As a forward or anyone for that matter what you do without the ball is more important that when it is on your terms.

I also think McLean does give his all and work his ass off, but he's pretty slow. I think we should keep him around because like I said, he's bloody good depth (was one of our best in the Geelong win), but the notion of replacing Heeney with him is laughable. They're not even competing for the same position (HFF that can play literally anywhere vs FF really).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I also think McLean does give his all and work his ass off, but he's just not particularly slow. I think we should keep him around because like I said, he's bloody good depth (was one of our best in the Geelong win), but the notion of replacing Heeney with him is laughable. They're not even competing for the same position (HFF that can play literally anywhere vs FF really).

Yep agree on keeping depth and lets be real he's not costing two arms and a leg, McLean wouldn't be on much more than basic wage. However Heeney is literally our X factor forward/mid. I just hope he gets a full season where he doesn't injure himself probably been our most unlucky player in the last decade. Every time the bloke looks ready to explode he's had a weird unlucky injury. This year was in AA form and then broke his flipping hand and wasn't himself for a month!

 

[SSwans2011]

Yep agree on keeping depth and lets be real he's not costing two arms and a leg, McLean wouldn't be on much more than basic wage. However Heeney is literally our X factor forward/mid. I just hope he gets a full season where he doesn't injure himself probably been our most unlucky player in the last decade. Every time the bloke looks ready to explode he's had a weird unlucky injury. This year was in AA form and then broke his flipping hand and wasn't himself for a month!

Heeney and Buddy are the two with the most capacity to dictate how far into finals we go IMO.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Heeney and Buddy are the two with the most capacity to dictate how far into finals we go IMO.

For a young bloke, Warner too. He's going to be important to get back in the side (probably for Bell)

 

[Tedeski]

What?
Trade Heeney?

 

[dosser]

I think McLean is a good option to have as far as depth goes, but he's a bit of a liability, especially defensively, when the conditions don't suit. Heeney, on the other hand, regardless of form, will always play a hand in our defensive pressure, and will certainly worry opposition players in the back half more than McLean (which is critical to the way we're playing IMO).

I saw McLean in the ruck at a couple of throw-ins in the forward line on the weekend and one thing is for sure. He is not even a forward/ruck. He is a 'stand in the square and stick his arms up' forward.

 

[Punts]

Dawson signed yet

 

[Millky95]

Dawson signed yet

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