List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[Kiama Chris]

I’ve seen enough of VanR in the WAFL colts to know he’s going to be a quality player - but I sense he’ll be a forward.

I love what I’ve seen of Bazzo, albeit admittedly only 2 games. He completely nullified VanR in themost recent encounter. He’s quick, powerful & courageous.

I’ve said it a few times here, but I think both Bazzo and Sheldrick are on huge upward curves & I’d be extremely happy to draft either (or both!).

Having said that - I have absolutely no idea who the Swans are interested in this year.

Kinnear and team are good poker players for sure. Both those guys look good gets but might fall between our picks unless we manage a little jiggery pokery.
Cal Twomey has JVR at 21, Bazzo at 30 and Sheldrick later.
Doerre has JVR at 18, Bazzo at 29, Sheldrick at 34.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

LOL at those who think you need any aptitude for a career in finance if you're an ex AFL player. For most, the cache of their career is enough for them to sail through successfullly

I do not want any of our current or former players to become white collar criminals.

 

[Bandicoot]

The Herald Sun has the Swans taking Josh Sinn at 18. Said to have a lethal left foot.
Could be the ideal replacement for Dawson in time.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The Herald Sun has the Swans taking Josh Sinn at 18. Said to have a lethal left foot.
Could be the ideal replacement for Dawson in time.

Speedy half-back flanker.

Sounds very Swans.

 

[Bloods86]

Kinnear and team are good poker players for sure. Both those guys look good gets but might fall between our picks unless we manage a little jiggery pokery.
Cal Twomey has JVR at 21, Bazzo at 30 and Sheldrick later.
Doerre has JVR at 18, Bazzo at 29, Sheldrick at 34.

If we're looking at one of the later KPDs, I'm all for shuffling picks to get 2 picks in the 20s. Might miss out on JVR, but if we got Bazzo for example, and still managed a decent mid/winger as well, that'd be worth it. If we go a mid/winger at pick 18, then miss out on every decent KPD option because we were afraid of a small reach at every stage, would be annoying.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The Herald Sun has the Swans taking Josh Sinn at 18. Said to have a lethal left foot.
Could be the ideal replacement for Dawson in time.

I’d take him as close to best available if he last till our pick he’s worth the gamble.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If we're looking at one of the later KPDs, I'm all for shuffling picks to get 2 picks in the 20s. Might miss out on JVR, but if we got Bazzo for example, and still managed a decent mid/winger as well, that'd be worth it. If we go a mid/winger at pick 18, then miss out on every decent KPD option because we were afraid of a small reach at every stage, would be annoying.

Can’t agree. It’s best available at our first pick. We can get a tall at our next pick and if we don’t that’s fine too. You can’t be reaching all over the place

 

[Bloods86]

Can’t agree. It’s best available at our first pick. We can get a tall at our next pick and if we don’t that’s fine too. You can’t be reaching all over the place

I'm not saying to reach all over the place. If you reach at first pick, no reason to do it for our 2nd rounders. If we shuffle around, get a couple of picks in the 20s, then have to do a reach for one of them, but not the other (nor our end of 2nd round), all good. But we have to look at what picks we have, where players are likely going to be available/selected, and act accordingly. Maybe the club does nothing, selects a mid at 18, then misses out on every KPD/tall we're keen on because our picks are awkwardly placed, and then just takes another 2 smalls. I think that's a worry, but wouldn't entirely surprise me. Would have to wait until the rookie draft to see if they pick someone up there before I completely write this off-season off (slight hyperbole).

Consensus seems to be that the draft is pretty even after the 1st small bunch until about pick 40. Suggests to me that drafting on needs is highest priority and not as risky, then the other two picks for best available (or if say Alleer or Dean are on our radar rather than JVR or Bazzo, then 1st pick best available, lock them in with one of our 2nds even if there's a reach involved).

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm not saying to reach all over the place. If you reach at first pick, no reason to do it for our 2nd rounders. If we shuffle around, get a couple of picks in the 20s, then have to do a reach for one of them, but not the other (nor our end of 2nd round), all good. But we have to look at what picks we have, where players are likely going to be available/selected, and act accordingly. Maybe the club does nothing, selects a mid at 18, then misses out on every KPD/tall we're keen on because our picks are awkwardly placed, and then just takes another 2 smalls. I think that's a worry, but wouldn't entirely surprise me. Would have to wait until the rookie draft to see if they pick someone up there before I completely write this off-season off (slight hyperbole).

I would rather reach at the second rounders, they are less of a loss so to speak. We can't be reaching and stuffing up first rounders. Did we not learn an ounce from the bloke we just delisted? We'll pick a tall at one of the picks, personally I'm doing it at the first second rounder, where there are plenty.

If Sinn slips I'm taking him. Always prioritise talent over reaching. However I'd be happy with a Sonsie type too. I'd go small (whether it be a mid or a running HB) at the first pick.

 

[Bloods86]

I would rather reach at the second rounders, they are less of a loss so to speak. We can't be reaching and stuffing up first rounders. Did we not learn an ounce from the bloke we just delisted? We'll pick a tall at one of the picks, personally I'm doing it at the first second rounder, where there are plenty.

If Sinn slips I'm taking him. Always prioritise talent over reaching. However I'd be happy with a Sonsie type too. I'd go small (whether it be a mid or a running HB) at the first pick.

Yeah sorry, edited the post to say if we're thinking of Alleer or Dean for example, as being close or as good as JVR/Bazzo etc, then I'm fine with best at pick 18 and you reach at one of our 2nd rounders. Still sticking to the "we have to draft at least one KPD" theme.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah sorry, edited the post to say if we're thinking of Alleer or Dean for example, as being close or as good as JVR/Bazzo etc, then I'm fine with best at pick 18 and you reach at one of our 2nd rounders. Still sticking to the "we have to draft at least one KPD" theme.

I’d be happy with one KPD at the seconds, Dean would be a nice pick. First round should be small or a difference player

 

[Bloods86]

I’d be happy with one KPD at the seconds, Dean would be a nice pick. First round should be small or a difference player

Also don't mind some of the write-ups on Sinn, looks like he'll have the ability to play a few roles off HB, on a wing, and one write-up suggested with some work would make a decent lockdown defender. The latter two (wing and small/med defender) are more of a need for us than HB, but with some versatility then you can always shuffle Sinn around with Blakey, McInerney, Campbell, Lloyd for now, as needed.

I don't think pick 18 for Van Rooyen for example will be considered a reach by draft night (all indications he's still moving up the board). Would comfort me more if he was pure KPD, so if the club sees a later selection as a better or equivalent KPD, then OK, just need to ensure it comes off. KPF was a medium need for me, but with picking up Ladhams, I think we've bought ourselves some more time to see if McLean or Amartey grab a spot in the 22 to support Logan in future.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Also don't mind some of the write-ups on Sinn, looks like he'll have the ability to play a few roles off HB, on a wing, and one write-up suggested with some work would make a decent lockdown defender. The latter two (wing and small/med defender) are more of a need for us than HB, but with some versatility then you can always shuffle Sinn around with Blakey, McInerney, Campbell, Lloyd for now, as needed.

I don't think pick 18 for Van Rooyen for example will be considered a reach by draft night (all indications he's still moving up the board). Would comfort me more if he was pure KPD, so if the club sees a later selection as a better or equivalent KPD, then OK, just need to ensure it comes off. KPF was a medium need for me, but with picking up Ladhams, I think we've bought ourselves some more time to see if McLean or Amartey grab a spot in the 22 to support Logan in future.

If Van Rooyan is there I expect that to be the pick but I won’t be shocked if GWS take him (after they take Callahan at 2). If he’s not there I don’t want us reaching for a bloke rated in the late 20’s.

Really like Sinn it’s a gamble but on talent he’s close to the real top couple in this draft pool.

 

[the hypnotoad]

The Herald Sun has the Swans taking Josh Sinn at 18. Said to have a lethal left foot.
Could be the ideal replacement for Dawson in time.

any number of nickname options
and surely saints won't be taking him

 

[LukeParkerno1]

any number of nickname options
and surely saints won't be taking him

Wouldn't suit St Kilda really not he might be best available for them who knows

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I understand the principle of taking 'best available' in first round. That said we are at end of first round and our need for a quality KPD draftee is urgent. I'd therefore be inclined to go with KPD TBH.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I understand the principle of taking 'best available' in first round. That said we are at end of first round and our need for a quality KPD draftee is urgent. I'd therefore be inclined to go with KPD TBH.

As long as it isn't a reach sure. There is one defender I'd be happy to take there. The rest mentioned are solid second rounders not before.

 

[Bloods_sucker]

The Herald Sun has the Swans taking Josh Sinn at 18. Said to have a lethal left foot.
Could be the ideal replacement for Dawson in time.

Can someone please post the Herald Sun article. I doubt Sinn will be available at our pick, unless he has had injury issues. Sonsie also sounds good if available.

 

[Wolftone]

We have McCartin for that role though. We lead a gorilla defender it’s a huge issue

Apparently we have the chance of a 194cm defender in the draft

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[Wolftone]

And to get us all back on topic...I swear the ESPN team has like zero knowledge of what Sydney needs. Why would we pick another small forward in with our 2nd round pick. Why?

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...**********-espn-early-two-round-phantom-draft

Tend to agree. We have a plethora of small forwards

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[LukeParkerno1]

Can someone please post the Herald Sun article. I doubt Sinn will be available at our pick, unless he has had injury issues. Sonsie also sounds good if available.

That is the reason Sinn has slipped, but my view is first and foremost you draft talent. Either of Sinn or Sonisie will suit

 

[Caj]

Pretty obvious that this Knightmare (Doerre) guy is a VFL/Vic team fan and knows sweet FA about the other teams.

This is the same guy who said before last years draft Gulden wasn't a "best 22' quality player because he was 169cm. Not even counting the fact that the height he used was 12 months old, he had obviously not watched Gulden play. Yet people give him credit as an "expert".

Where does he say that about Gulden?

Draft Watcher - Knightmare 2020 Draft Almanac | BigFooty

Has him at pick 21 in his final phantom and listed at 175cm

 

[Wolftone]

Does it matter if he take a few years?

I think it would be a mistake if we get ahead of ourselves and think we are contenders now.

We really only started the rebuild in 2018.

I doubt he'll take very long. He is, 194 & 91. He has the height and weight already. The ability is already there. He only needs to learn the Swans system and buy into the Bloods Culture and he is sweet

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[Wolftone]

depends where VCan R sees himself playing. if he wants forward, and we insist on playing him back, the west teams will be in his ear, "we'll polay you forward. Prefer we target a KPD who wants to play there.

Apparently he doesn't mind either and was just as effective back

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[Wolftone]

I’ve seen enough of VanR in the WAFL colts to know he’s going to be a quality player - but I sense he’ll be a forward.

I love what I’ve seen of Bazzo, albeit admittedly only 2 games. He completely nullified VanR in themost recent encounter. He’s quick, powerful & courageous.

I’ve said it a few times here, but I think both Bazzo and Sheldrick are on huge upward curves & I’d be extremely happy to draft either (or both!).

Having said that - I have absolutely no idea who the Swans are interested in this year.

There is a consensus that Sheldrick's kicking is more than a bit random. His decision making is not particularly good from what I read. I have never seen him so don't know. We have drafted players who have a high degree of kicking and decision making skills. So I am interested in how he would fit into that mix? Apparently his distribution by hand is superb.

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