List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

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Taylor is a reserves player. He played 2 good games for us. That's it. You want to play him? He definitely would have been delisted this year had he not had a contract. Ronke at least has talent if not confidence. Taylor has confidence but no talent. It showed in his one outing this year. Not up to the standard. Since coming to us, Taylor averages 9 disposals in the midfield. That's real class. Ronke is not much better but 8 as a forward is far better than 9 as a mid.

Clarke is another. A pure mid. Well defensive mid. Averages 11. So was George, who averages 18 yet George gets traded out and Clarke is still taking up list space. Next year we might be able to delist Taylor, Clarke and Ronke if his 2022 is sh*te. I have seen Ronke play mids and he is better than the other two. Taylor gets lots of ball at reserves level but has 45% efficiency. Clarke is even worse but doesn't get it as much.
Taylor's only game netted 3. Clarke's 3.
Harry is a 50/50 kick at best. He is a good defender though. But sometimes I cover my eyes when he kicks
Seriously you just make shit up.
3 examples;
Clarke played 2 games as sub (not one) and over the 3 seasons he's been here he's averaged 17 disp per game (excl this year's subs) not the 11 claimed by you.
Taylor had 6 disposals in his game as sub (not the 3)
Cunningham has averaged 80% disposal efficiency over his career (and bettered that in 2021) not exactly the '50/50 kick at his best' you suggested.

I will give you you thing.
You sound authoritative when posting nonsense.
 
Taylor's only game netted 3. Clarke's 3. They are not up to AFL standard. VFL. Players only. Not enough talent at AFL level.

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They were subs!

And you're still wrong - they got 6 and 7 touches. Clarke had an earlier game as sub where he came on for about 10mins.

I'm not even advocating for them to play seniors, but your insistence that Ronke somehow should over them, in a position he barely plays at reserves level, is bewildering.
 
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Seriously you just make sh*t up.
3 examples;
Taylor had 6 disposals in his game as sub (not the 3)
Clarke played 2 games as sub (not one) and over the 3 seasons he's been here he's averaged 17 disp per game (excl subs) not the 11 claimed by you.
Cunningham has averaged 80% disposal efficiency over his career (and bettered that in 2021) not exactly the '50/50 kick at his best' you suggested.

I will give you you thing.
You sound authoritative when posting nonsense.
Thanks. I hadn't got to the Cunningham response yet. 75% kicking efficiency this year, which as a small lockdown defender is pretty good. Dawson and McInerney, wingers/half backs with more time and space, had 76% for comparison. Cunningham blitzed Gulden who people froth over (67%) and Blakey who we now see as our great half back hope (62%).
 

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Seriously you just make sh*t up.
3 examples;
Clarke played 2 games as sub (not one) and over the 3 seasons he's been here he's averaged 17 disp per game (excl this year's subs) not the 11 claimed by you.
Taylor had 6 disposals in his game as sub (not the 3)
Cunningham has averaged 80% disposal efficiency over his career (and bettered that in 2021) not exactly the '50/50 kick at his best' you suggested.

I will give you you thing.
You sound authoritative when posting nonsense.
Just like ads on TV. A waste of time listening.
 
Wilmot's is good considering he's the youngest potential draftee (18 on NYE). He looks to have some dash, class skills, always looking and won't settle for mediocre options, happy to contest a mark or tackle, plus according to Draft Central, his voice can always be heard, potential leadership. Whichever position he settles into (half back, wing, small defender, hybrid mid) I reckon he'd be a value pick. Chesser's was class as well.
Does sound like a player....



POSITION: Medium Defender

SNAPSHOT: "A tenacious and brave half-back whose most flashy weapons show on the attack, as he breaks the lines with great speed and ball use."



Small-medium defenders can often be dime a dozen, but Darcy Wilmot is one with eye-catching points of difference. The Northern Knights rebounder blends flair and toughness with his pacy forward forays and astute intercept efforts, making for an exciting and well rounded game in defence. He represented Vic Metro at Under 16 level and repeated the feat in this year's Under 19 challenge match, continuing his rise towards top 20 status in 2021. As effectively the youngest player in the draft pool, born on December 31, Wilmot is one day off being ineligible and has plenty of development left in him.



STRENGTHS:

+ Speed
+ Run-and-carry
+ Reading the play
+ Toughness
+ Voice



IMPROVEMENTS:

- Midfield craft
- Composure



It's difficult not to notice when Wilmot is afield - not just for his style of play, but also for his voice. The vocal defender has showcased terrific leadership quality among each team he has played in, organising his troops behind the ball and providing an encouraging presence to his teammates. While not overly imposing in a physical sense at 183cm, Wilmot's character and competitiveness are sure to let the opposition know he is there.



The 17-year-old is a player who performs above his size, too. As one of the tougher combatants in the crop, he holds his own at ground level but also impacts aerially. Wimot's reading of the play makes for sound positioning and timing, which is then capped by tenacious efforts to win the ball - including intercept marks going back with the flight. Not many are prepared to throw their frame in the way like Wilmot.



Looking at his attacking traits, dash and dare define the Northern product's rebounding nous. He looks to take the game on at every opportunity, snatching quick metres from the kick-ins, weaving around opponents and carrying the ball with confidence. His athleticism allows him to get out of tight spots, though he can sometimes work himself into such danger with his constant attacking intent.



With run-and-carry such a prominent part of his game, Wilmot does a lot of his work at pace. This sometimes sees him invite unnecessary pressure in unideal areas of the ground, forcing him into blazing kicks forward. While normally a classy user, Wilmot can do with a touch of composure in deciding when to go and when to hold back.



Another area the Vic Metro representative can develop is his midfield craft. While quite a versatile defender, capable of rolling up to a wing, using his burst of speed and toughness at the contest in midfield could add a nice string to his bow. He won a couple of centre bounce stints, but will likely start out as a defender and can hone that craft over time.



DRAFT PROJECTION: 15-25



SUMMARY:

With the speed of the game at an all-time high and skilful running players in vogue, Wilmot is the type of prospect a few clubs will be in for at the end of the first round. His character is unflappable and he is a tough customer who also provides flair that fans love, making him a desirable talent in multiple aspects. With plenty of scope for improvement to go with his exciting attributes, Wilmot will push for top 20 honours and not last much longer than that.
 
Maybe he was fit, but he was lighter than Bazzo for example, considered one of the more longer term KPDs available in the 20s/30s this year (and a similar size to McCartin at draft time). I'm not saying that a Bazzo or others will definitely be ready for senior games in < 2 years, but it is possible, and it is far less likely if we don't even try.
No disagreement from me. All in favour of drafting someone to be a KPD. Bazzo seems a popular choice, along with JVR. Trust Beatson and Dalrymple on that.
Not sure AJ was ever going to be a KPD though. More a half back flanker.
 
I previously posted Goater's highlights provided by the AFL;

I mentioned It's only a two minute clip and that's all I've seen of him, but I can't say Goater's kicking inspires confidence, even when in the clear.

This is a 3 minute clip of his involvement in the Vic metro v Vic country game from earlier in the season;




Fair to say it has not allayed my concerns about his kicking.

If that was his highlight package, I'd hate to see him on a bad day.
A definite NO imo.
 
I don't think we'll pick a player that needs several pre seasons development with our first. First round picks, rightly or wrongly, have expectations on their trajectory year 3,4 and 5 and you can see with Stephens how it can go against us. Just not the stage to risk that imo

Looking for someone that can make the 22 in the not too distant future.

I think it'll be a mid this year
 
Thanks. I hadn't got to the Cunningham response yet. 75% kicking efficiency this year, which as a small lockdown defender is pretty good. Dawson and McInerney, wingers/half backs with more time and space, had 76% for comparison. Cunningham blitzed Gulden who people froth over (67%) and Blakey who we now see as our great half back hope (62%).
What site gives you the kicking efficiencies?
 

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I'm not sure what to make of the kicking efficiency stat, as you need to know the context - how much pressure the kicker was under, what degree of risk was taken, was the best option taken, etc, not just the execution.

From my armchair recruiting position in the peanut gallery, the Goater video is diabolical. Turnover city. If that's representative of the quality of first rounder this year then it's a worry. Maybe it's just a covid year thing.

For me, one the most impressive videos of potential draftee has been Zac Taylor. I love the way he holds on to the ball as he runs, and sizes up the options. It reminds me of Goodes. You don't then need to be a super precision kicker, just need you use awareness, vision and be smart. This is also why I believe Gulden is such a great kick.
 
Answering my own question but I checked and he is a medium defender which is the last thing we need right now.
No idea if he's any good obviously but seems to be athletic as any (tick), and Murray Bushrangers says little go home factor (tick).

Defender
186cm/74kg
30/7/03
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country



The year had its challenges for Brown, who suffered an ankle injury at the start of the season that kept him out of action for more than two months. He got back into the Bushrangers' line-up and then played for Vic Country before the NAB League was called off. But the rebounding half-back put in a strong Combine recently, finishing his campaign well. In the Vic Country testing he was second in the 20-metre sprint (2.983 seconds) and best in the standing vertical jump (72cm).
 
Not really. Nobody is getting recruited if they're not vaccinated. Anyone not will be alone with their "beliefs" LOL.

I don't want to argue about the vax/no vax thing, but I think it would be very short sighted to not select a player based on that.

Every chance in a year or two we (or at least most people) aren't even talking about it.
 
I'm not sure what to make of the kicking efficiency stat, as you need to know the context - how much pressure the kicker was under, what degree of risk was taken, was the best option taken, etc, not just the execution.

From my armchair recruiting position in the peanut gallery, the Goater video is diabolical. Turnover city. If that's representative of the quality of first rounder this year then it's a worry. Maybe it's just a covid year thing.

For me, one the most impressive videos of potential draftee has been Zac Taylor. I love the way he holds on to the ball as he runs, and sizes up the options. It reminds me of Goodes. You don't then need to be a super precision kicker, just need you use awareness, vision and be smart. This is also why I believe Gulden is such a great kick.

Kicking is overrated anyway.

Mcveigh was a good kick - but a legendary decision maker. That is much more important imo.
 
Seriously you just make sh*t up.
3 examples;
Clarke played 2 games as sub (not one) and over the 3 seasons he's been here he's averaged 17 disp per game (excl this year's subs) not the 11 claimed by you.
Taylor had 6 disposals in his game as sub (not the 3)
Cunningham has averaged 80% disposal efficiency over his career (and bettered that in 2021) not exactly the '50/50 kick at his best' you suggested.

I will give you you thing.
You sound authoritative when posting nonsense.

Here's cheers to sounding authoritive when posting nonsense :beercheers:

Lead like you own it, scare them into retreat. Works for me!
 
I might be in the minority but I liked Goater's highlights for an inside mid. That burst speed from congestion is becoming very important in the modern AFL, and I think that it's something that we've targeted recently. See Warner, Rowbottom, rotating Papley through there. He has good hands, so let him step on the gas to get some separation, handball to McInerney / Campbell etc in space and we're laughing. You're not going to get his combination of speed and power together with elite kicking with pick 19 - that describes a top 5 pick.
 
I might be in the minority but I liked Goater's highlights for an inside mid. That burst speed from congestion is becoming very important in the modern AFL, and I think that it's something that we've targeted recently. See Warner, Rowbottom, rotating Papley through there. He has good hands, so let him step on the gas to get some separation, handball to McInerney / Campbell etc in space and we're laughing. You're not going to get his combination of speed and power together with elite kicking with pick 19 - that describes a top 5 pick.
I think if an inside mid was one of our higher needs, I'd agree, we'd just have to hope to get his kicking to an adequate level. But while we have other more pressing deficiencies and it sounds like we're interested in inside types at later picks (Dittmar, Warner as a hybrid, Anderson), probably want a more well rounded mid or one who can play on the wing as a distributor (since we lost Dawson). I had thought of Knevitt as a possible at 18/19, but have moved more to Wilmot, Chesser types, although sounds like Taylor has a lot of fans.
 
I might be in the minority but I liked Goater's highlights for an inside mid. That burst speed from congestion is becoming very important in the modern AFL, and I think that it's something that we've targeted recently. See Warner, Rowbottom, rotating Papley through there. He has good hands, so let him step on the gas to get some separation, handball to McInerney / Campbell etc in space and we're laughing. You're not going to get his combination of speed and power together with elite kicking with pick 19 - that describes a top 5 pick.

You could get the same burst of speed from Sonsie, Chesser, Taylor etc while also getting good foot skills.
 
So do we have any evidence that having two brothers on the same list is actually a good thing? Because all that comes to mind for me are the Crouch brothers and the Hill brothers, not to mention dozens of other short-lived, ill-fated brotherly reunions at clubs.
Probably not. I don't think we'd be looking at it from the perspective of keeping Chad happy or locking two players into the club (didn't work for the Crouch's or Hills), so I imagine we just rate Corey (he is being talked about more than Chad was, and higher rated, but hard to say how much of that is the media on the brother angle). You could make some assumptions potentially around attitude, work ethic and how well the player will adjust to moving away from home, either from Chad himself or in any interactions the club has had with the family, which might lessen the perceived risk a bit. It might be the deciding factor if most things are considered equal between players, but not much else.
 
So do we have any evidence that having two brothers on the same list is actually a good thing? Because all that comes to mind for me are the Crouch brothers and the Hill brothers, not to mention dozens of other short-lived, ill-fated brotherly reunions at clubs.
Cornes brothers, Scott brothers? Hmm not sure who else.
 
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