List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[dosser]

Let's assume this is true. Important to remember this is a one year window and there might be several peaks or back ended values here (e.g. Parker, Franklin). Also when calculating other players salary averages, need to remember you don't have to be under the salary cap every year, you just need to meet the average over a period of time.

In any case, with Franklin rumoured to have a $500k drop after this season and Parker up for renewal (but taking longer, who knows maybe we're trying to back end again), we should have some space. But then we don't know the deals made for some of the younger guys that have re-signed in the last few years. We may also be able to rookie Taylor like we did with Gray's final contract year, he was rumoured to be on $3-400k or similar.

Interesting that Hewett has to be on a decent salary (RFA this year), but isn't mentioned here. Possibly some accuracy issues.

If Dawson has calmed the farm on exit rumours himself, Hewett is being paid big this year (and might be ok with less in the next few), then I hope we don't have anything to worry about. If Parker holds out for more money, he'd be the one I'm most prepared to lose out of him, Dawson and Hewett. While it would hurt our push in the next couple of years, he's 29 at trade time, so the clock would be ticking for him to be around in our next premiership anyway. The others are key players for the next 5-6 years.

Firstly, why would we assume it is true? It is not.
And secondly, I doubt that Buddy's decrease next year will result in us being able to negotiate better deals for incoming players, as it isn't about to take the list managers by surprise. The excess will already have been (mostly) accounted for in the contracts that we would have signed over the last 2-3 years.

 

[RW]

Thoughts on this Herald Sun article about the top 100 paid players?

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It says we are paying (midpoint of ranges):

Franklin $1.475m
Heeney $850k
Parker $800k
Rampe $725k
Lloyd $625k
Mills $625k
Papley $625k

Certainly would explain why we are salary cap constrained and can't sign any big names

Looks like the club may have been a tad #haawneyforheeney during his contract negotiations, though not the worst deal we've ever done...

 

[Bloods86]

Firstly, why would we assume it is true? It is not.
And secondly, I doubt that Buddy's decrease next year will result in us being able to negotiate better deals for incoming players, as it isn't about to take the list managers by surprise. The excess will already have been (mostly) accounted for in the contracts that we would have signed over the last 2-3 years.

It was for arguments sake. By incoming players do you mean recent draftees? Personally I don't think we need to trade anyone in, I'm on board the draft train. And if we are to bring anyone in via trade, I'd rather it be a younger type who can't break into a strong side, who won't break the bank, and could be covered by other savings like Taylor to rookie, Hewett and Parker being paid less (vs this season). I'm more focused on retaining existing players, though I worry less about this than some others seem to.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

For the cost Charlie Constable

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Charlie Constable

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25

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192cm

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86kg

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D/M

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Last 5

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21.4

5star

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9.0

3star

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12.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

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3.7

5star

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D

22.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

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12.4

5star

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4.4

4star

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3.4

5star

is the one I hope we go after. We need an inside after Kennedy goes and he would be cheap as chips.

 

[TheMase]

He isn't. A player on $800,000 needs to be a regular game changer and Parker isn't that.

Out of interest, would you consider Mills a regular game changer or think he has the capacity to?

Not that he is on $800k now but interested in whether you feel that $800k is reasonable for his next contract negotiation?

Fwiw I think Mills is a great player but I still wouldn’t consider likely to be a game changer (like Kennedy’s influence at his peak), but I would still expect him to get a pay around that range in the future.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Out of interest, would you consider Mills a regular game changer or think he has the capacity to?

Not that he is on $800k now but interested in whether you feel that $800k is reasonable for his next contract negotiation?

Fwiw I think Mills is a great player but I still wouldn’t consider likely to be a game changer (like Kennedy’s influence at his peak), but I would still expect him to get a pay around that range in the future.

Would be overs. Somewhere in the 600-700k range would be about right. Both Parker and Heeney are overpaid but I can get the Parker one because at the time clubs were circling

 

[caesar88]

I can believe that we are paying Parker $800k but god almighty it's shocking

 

[Ticky009]

I can believe that we are paying Parker $800k but god almighty it's shocking

Can I just point again that the article is 'what they believe'.

Franklin is the only known quantity and that was only because it had to be revealed by Sydney.

 

[TheMase]

Would be overs. Somewhere in the 600-700k range would be about right. Both Parker and Heeney are overpaid but I can get the Parker one because at the time clubs were circling

They were circling for Heeney too and at the time of signing it looked like he would become a bone fide star of the competition. So I find it difficult to blame the club for that too…

Plenty of big money going to worse players at other clubs!

 

[caesar88]

Can I just point again that the article is 'what they believe'.

Franklin is the only known quantity and that was only because it had to be revealed by Sydney.

Yeah I know, but I could believe Parker is on about that because he was worth that when he signed his last contract in 2016.

 

[Ticky009]

Yeah I know, but I could believe Parker is on about that because he was worth that when he signed his last contract in 2016.

He's still at the top of the teams list for a significant number of key metrics. Not to mention he's hardly missed a game in his time with us due to injury.

 

[the hypnotoad]

It was for arguments sake. By incoming players do you mean recent draftees? Personally I don't think we need to trade anyone in, I'm on board the draft train. And if we are to bring anyone in via trade, I'd rather it be a younger type who can't break into a strong side, who won't break the bank, and could be covered by other savings like Taylor to rookie, Hewett and Parker being paid less (vs this season). I'm more focused on retaining existing players, though I worry less about this than some others seem to.

absolutely agree with this
and we keep heeney ... can't believe there's talk of trading a match-winner ... injuries have affected him, but does anyone want to risk seeing him playing fit and healthy for another club!??!

 

[caesar88]

He's still at the top of the teams list for a significant number of key metrics. Not to mention he's hardly missed a game in his time with us due to injury.

I won't get into it Ticky but let's just say I hope his new contract will be very different.

And I hope there is a new contract. Despite not rating him I am not a fan of the "let's see what we can get for a club captain and heart and soul leader" rhetoric.

 

[BloodySwan]

Can I just point again that the article is 'what they believe'.

Franklin is the only known quantity and that was only because it had to be revealed by Sydney.

I thought even Buddy's contract was guess work? All we know is the total $ over how many years but the rest is still guess work

 

[Bloods86]

Already stated this, but this is a 1 year window people (if it's even close to the mark). This is not necessarily what players are getting every year over their contracts.

 

[Millky95]

Tbf, player salaries should be public

 

[RUNVS]

Out of interest, would you consider Mills a regular game changer or think he has the capacity to?

Not that he is on $800k now but interested in whether you feel that $800k is reasonable for his next contract negotiation?

Fwiw I think Mills is a great player but I still wouldn’t consider likely to be a game changer (like Kennedy’s influence at his peak), but I would still expect him to get a pay around that range in the future.

Not yet, but Mills is on considerably less than $800,000. What I expect from an $800,000 player is different to what I expect from a $600,000 player. A 600K player needs to be consistently very good, a 800K player needs to be a match winner.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They were circling for Heeney too and at the time of signing it looked like he would become a bone fide star of the competition. So I find it difficult to blame the club for that too…

Plenty of big money going to worse players at other clubs!

Yep, look I have more of an issue of how much we are paying Reid, and then keeping Naismith on the list for goodness knows what reason. That's close to 1.5 mill we could use elsewhere.

 

[Ticky009]

I thought even Buddy's contract was guess work? All we know is the total $ over how many years but the rest is still guess work

No Buddy's contract $ is known because we were forced to release it. Yet another act of head office malfeasance

 

[JZ_Skitzo]

Lloyd wouldn't be on any more than 400 surely.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Lloyd wouldn't be on any more than 400 surely.

Unlikely to be on that low, basically has been in AA squad contention for the last 3 years.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Heeney would be around 900k
Mills 750k
Parker 800-850k
Franklin 1.4m
Rampe 650-700k
Kennedy 750-800k

So just those blokes probably what ~6mil of the cap gone but not that unusual most teams would be the same.

Looks like they just took my estimates XD

 

[RUNVS]

No Buddy's contract $ is known because we were forced to release it. Yet another act of head office malfeasance

Yep

He is on a lot less next year, in fact he will be on the least he has been on since 2015.

 

[TheMase]

Yep, look I have more of an issue of how much we are paying Reid, and then keeping Naismith on the list for goodness knows what reason. That's close to 1.5 mill we could use elsewhere.

$1.5m?!?
For Reid and Naismith?

Put the joint down brother….

 

[LukeParkerno1]

$1.5m?!?
For Reid and Naismith?

Put the joint down brother….

Reid is on 600-700k and Naismith wouldn't be on much less because we somehow rate the bloke! Must mix a mean Gatorade in the rehab group! even if it's a $1 to $1.1 million mark, that's 3 good players we have missed out on for what? Keeping two injury prone players who are no good.