List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

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Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

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Wednesday November 3 - Tuesday November 9

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Wednesday November 10

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Thursday November 11 - Monday November 15

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Monday November 22

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Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

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Monday November 29

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Monday 6 December

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday 19 December - Sunday 9 January

 

[kernelT]

Can anyone explain how Dunstan can supposedly be taken as a delisted free agent when the delisted free agency period doesn’t open for another two weeks?

 

[BrutThough]

Can anyone explain how Dunstan can supposedly be taken as a delisted free agent when the delisted free agency period doesn’t open for another two weeks?

The media are stupid.

 

[NextYearPlease]

A few years back there was that out roar that Lin Jong was touring the pies facility mid season.

he ended up staying at the dogs. Butat the time the pies came out and said that’s common practice.

the league is just behind on the times. We have free agency and we pretend the conversations only happen when the season ends. Not that coaches players and presidents have already spoken to a potential player

As a fan I prefer the mystique of a player being part of the club until he/she isn’t - even if behind the scenes it is otherwise.


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[StCicatriz]

Can anyone explain how Dunstan can supposedly be taken as a delisted free agent when the delisted free agency period doesn’t open for another two weeks?

i think he was a UFA but his contract was such low value it never hit the triggers required for compensation.

 

[JediSaint]

Trade 18 for Mitchell, keep 14.

Give 18 + 66 + 67 + Long
Get Mitchell + #24
(values Long around pick 30)

 

[Sun Ra]

Can anyone explain how Dunstan can supposedly be taken as a delisted free agent when the delisted free agency period doesn’t open for another two weeks?

Wasn't (yet) delisted. So he went as an UFA (Unrestricted Free Agent). I think....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i think he was a UFA but his contract was such low value it never hit the triggers required for compensation.

He's being paid as much as most here value him.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Or win a premiership and break a 57 year drought then you become a media darling who can't do any wrong.

Hey, unfair. Dunstan is a gun! You know how many Brownlow votes he got, right?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Any truth to the rumour that Dean Kent has given Aaron Vandenberg a wrap to the Banker & we are looking at signing him on a lucrative four year deal with triggers?

Delicious! Hopefully Hill sort of money

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yuck. This is our last chance and the first for ages to get a high end pick and we are down grading it into the left overs bin. Great for the idiots that are all in on Ben King but it will just mean that GC ask for the two firsts for 2022 and the 2023 first as well.....and we don't even have a second in either year.

To me that's almost the worst of all worlds. If the two NGAs go inside 20 we are left with 6 picks that won't get used.....and we pay them to have Battle.

Yep its asking for trouble going into 2022 with 2x 1sts.

GC will say thanks & chuck in 2023 too.


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[/QUOTE]



Yuck. This is our last chance and the first for ages to get a high end pick and we are down grading it into the left overs bin. Great for the idiots that are all in on Ben King but it will just mean that GC ask for the two firsts for 2022 and the 2023 first as well.....and we don't even have a second in either year.

To me that's almost the worst of all worlds. If the two NGAs go inside 20 we are left with 6 picks that won't get used.....and we pay them to have Battle.
[/QUOTE]

It’s 2 chats with 2 different scenarios.
I was having a play last night with points.

What I proposed was
STK OUT - F2 / Battle + 1 yr salary

BRIS OUT - #16 + #54 + #60

That gives STK 2 1st rnd picks (2021) + enough points for NGA.

Right now we don’t have enough points for the NGA kids. So if they don’t go inside top 20 we aren’t getting them anyway.

I also see your point about the amount of picks outside 50. Then we better get creative on the interest in Lonie and Long, roll the higher draft picks as a sweetener to get a better return pick?

FYI, Just having some fun. Doubt anything would happen.
[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

We don't need to have enough points for the NGA kids. We are allowed to go into deficit.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Someone really needs to dig up a reel of journos (maybe even just Dopey King would do) and what they said about Melbourne two years ago. As our coach always says: never as bad, never as good. So reactionary.

 

[Joffaboy]

Someone really needs to dig up a reel of journos (maybe even just Dopey King would do) and what they said about Melbourne two years ago. As our coach always says: never as bad, never as good. So reactionary.

We, and they need to talk about something and fill that insatiable need for footy.

 

[Mangus]

Yep its asking for trouble going into 2022 with 2x 1sts.

GC will say thanks & chuck in 2023 too.


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Yuck. This is our last chance and the first for ages to get a high end pick and we are down grading it into the left overs bin. Great for the idiots that are all in on Ben King but it will just mean that GC ask for the two firsts for 2022 and the 2023 first as well.....and we don't even have a second in either year.

To me that's almost the worst of all worlds. If the two NGAs go inside 20 we are left with 6 picks that won't get used.....and we pay them to have Battle.
[/QUOTE]

It’s 2 chats with 2 different scenarios.
I was having a play last night with points.

What I proposed was
STK OUT - F2 / Battle + 1 yr salary

BRIS OUT - #16 + #54 + #60

That gives STK 2 1st rnd picks (2021) + enough points for NGA.

Right now we don’t have enough points for the NGA kids. So if they don’t go inside top 20 we aren’t getting them anyway.

I also see your point about the amount of picks outside 50. Then we better get creative on the interest in Lonie and Long, roll the higher draft picks as a sweetener to get a better return pick?

FYI, Just having some fun. Doubt anything would happen.
[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

We don't need to have enough points for the NGA kids. We are allowed to go into deficit.
[/QUOTE]
Correct and currently if both are bid on in the 20's it will likely wipe out our Future 2nd round pick in 2022 based on the deficit we currently have as well as the 3 x 60's picks in this draft. So we can match any bid it just will cost us in next years draft most likely.

 

[JediSaint]

Yep its asking for trouble going into 2022 with 2x 1sts.

GC will say thanks & chuck in 2023 too.


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Yuck. This is our last chance and the first for ages to get a high end pick and we are down grading it into the left overs bin. Great for the idiots that are all in on Ben King but it will just mean that GC ask for the two firsts for 2022 and the 2023 first as well.....and we don't even have a second in either year.

To me that's almost the worst of all worlds. If the two NGAs go inside 20 we are left with 6 picks that won't get used.....and we pay them to have Battle.
[/QUOTE]

It’s 2 chats with 2 different scenarios.
I was having a play last night with points.

What I proposed was
STK OUT - F2 / Battle + 1 yr salary

BRIS OUT - #16 + #54 + #60

That gives STK 2 1st rnd picks (2021) + enough points for NGA.

Right now we don’t have enough points for the NGA kids. So if they don’t go inside top 20 we aren’t getting them anyway.

I also see your point about the amount of picks outside 50. Then we better get creative on the interest in Lonie and Long, roll the higher draft picks as a sweetener to get a better return pick?

FYI, Just having some fun. Doubt anything would happen.
[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

We don't need to have enough points for the NGA kids. We are allowed to go into deficit.
[/QUOTE]
Huh! I did not know that.
Well that would of been handy to know before I sat up till 2am mucking around on that lol!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The first point above is incorrect the 197 points relates to the discount we get not the cost AFL changed the 20% discount to flat 197 point discount for picks between 21-40. The cost will be the value of the draft pick the NGA is selected at so worst case

Pick 21 = 878 Points if we match we get a discount of 197 points so cost to us is = 681 points

So the discount is actually 22% at this pick and increases with each pick taken later as the discount is a flat 197 points for any pick between 21 - 40.

Pick 40 = 429 Points if we match discount of 197 points so cost to us is = 232 Points or 46% discount

So worst case if both our NGA's were bid on at Pick 21 and 22 we would need to find = 878 + 845 = 1723 - (197 +197) = 1329 Points

Best case they are bid on after 40 and we just use next available selection.

See link for details https://www.afl.com.au/news/523629/...ection-period-nab-afl-mid-season-rookie-draft

So my calculations were generally correct except for the flat 197 discount.

The AFL only allow us to go into deficit if we have points for the deficit in next years draft. For this purpose they calculate the points as if we finish top of the ladder.

They will not allow us to write off the points needed.

So if we had no second round pick, and not enough points in the later picks next year, we either use the first round pick or they don't allow the deficit.


Worst case scenario for deficit.

Owens 20 - 912 points - 197 = 715 points.
Windhager - 878 points - 197 = 681 points.

Total points needed = 1396 points.
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Points we have in the tail end of the draft.
62 66 and 67. Guessinig they will come forward to 50ish. We will get around 778 points.

Deficit = 618.

AFL calculate allowable deficit as :
First round 985. Second round 502. 3rd round 220. 2x 4th round. 38.

If we traded out the second round pick, we would either be banned from matching, or we would need to downgrade our first round pick by around 400 points. Possibly turning it into a second round pick.

note that the actual points that we get for our future picks will depend where we finish next year. The points in the above scenario are those used by the AFL for calculating whether or not they will allow you to go into deficit.
-------------------------------

Probably a more likely scenario is :
Owens - Pick 24 785 points -197 = 588
Windhanger pick 32 584 points -197 = 387
Total = 975

Deficit around 197 points.

If we finished , hmmm 5th on the ladder next year, our second round pick would be 584 points and would turn into an early 3rd.

If we traded our 2022 second now we could absorb the points with our 2022 future 3rd.

 

[Ekomaira]

i can't even follow this quote anymore

 

[AirWinmar]

Bing’s management is pissed off at the Saints.

Is Bing pissed off at the Saints?

Cos that’s all I care about.

To be fair, I think that original tweet wasn't good, but his manager is bringing up again bringing it into focus again after 3years. If he really wants Ben to concentrate on his footy, he would be best of not drawing further attention to it

 

[StFly]

i can't even follow this quote anymore

You forgot the [/quote] in trying to follow the [/quote] which is why you couldn't follow said [/quote]

The tldr though is: no you

 

[lewdogs]

To be fair, I think that original tweet wasn't good, but his manager is bringing up again bringing it into focus again after 3years. If he really wants Ben to concentrate on his footy, he would be best of not drawing further attention to it

Pretty sure the trainee receptionist made that tweet.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Well done saints.

It was from 2018 - seriously are they bringing it up again?

 

[bird_man]

Some bloke suggesting Adelaide give us 4 for 9 and their pick of Battle, Lonie and Kent so they can use it on Dawson

 

[George]

It was from 2018 - seriously are they bringing it up again?

Even more bizarre is we never actually tweeted that haha

 

[StCicatriz]

Some bloke suggesting Adelaide give us 4 for 9 and their pick of Battle, Lonie and Kent so they can use it on Dawson

i like this guy. can we make him adelaide list manager?

 

[Ailurus]

Some bloke suggesting Adelaide give us 4 for 9 and their pick of Battle, Lonie and Kent so they can use it on Dawson

Deal

 

[The Punter]

Some bloke suggesting Adelaide give us 4 for 9 and their pick of Battle, Lonie and Kent so they can use it on Dawson

Would rate the player traded from St Kilda at around pick 33. Only one of the three players mentioned would rate that highly IMO.