List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pedlar was probably a bit of a risk ... would have likely gone much higher if he didn't seem to be prone to injuries.

I would assume the Club knew he'd have a year of rebuilding his body in 2021 ......IMO they expected more than what Pedlar gave this year .....got him into the side early, it appears though they gave up on rushing him fairly early in the year

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

So what did he say and which co-hosts? Because Bicks agreed with him that he’s been critical for a long time

Again, your rules, find the bit yourself

 

[George Kramer]

Again, your rules, find the bit yourself

Yeah good one, I pointed out how ridiculous your request was and you know it was, now you’re just being a baby.

I’ll just stick with what I heard in the clip, where Bicks acknowledged Rowe hasn’t changed his tune about his opinion on our list management and since the only reference about McHenry suggested no change in opinion too, I’ll go with you made it up.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Yeah good one, I pointed out how ridiculous your request was and you know it was, now you’re just being a baby.

I’ll just stick with what I heard in the clip, where Bicks acknowledged Rowe hasn’t changed his tune about his opinion on our list management and since the only reference about McHenry suggested no change in opinion too, I’ll go with you made it up.

Nope. Didn’t make it up. You’re either too lazy to find it yourself or too stupid to realize you heard it and can’t connect the dots.

 

[George Kramer]

Nope. Didn’t make it up. You’re either too lazy to find it yourself or too stupid to realize you heard it and can’t connect the dots.

You’re all over the place. I know what I heard, the same thing you did, Bicks acknowledging Rowe has been critical of our list management and McHenry’s name being mentioned as a draft selection.

Even earlier today when you had the chance before I asked you, you said the other hosts said he was fired up, that’s not the same as changing his opinion in case you are confused.

Anyway, this has been done to death.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

You’re all over the place. I know what I heard, the same thing you did, Bicks acknowledging Rowe has been critical of our list management and McHenry’s name being mentioned as a draft selection.

Even earlier today when you had the chance before I asked you, you said the other hosts said he was fired up, that’s not the same as changing his opinion in case you are confused.

Anyway, this has been done to death.

A direct quote. It’s on the podcast.

Rowe: (talking about port v crows list managers) “ones lauded the others a dud”

Ginever: “wow …”

Rowe: “an absolute dud”

Bicks: “what’s happened to you today Rowie”

Rowe: “err err err I’ve had a bit of coke … I’m off to the cricket I’m quite excited”

Bicks: “but nothings changed in the last 18 months but today you’ve just been really critical”


Now tell me. What’s different today compared to a month ago in Rowe’s relationship with the club.

If you can’t get that, your being deliberately obtuse.

 

[George Kramer]

A direct quote. It’s on the podcast.

Rowe: (talking about port v crows list managers) “ones lauded the others a dud”

Ginever: “wow …”

Rowe: “an absolute dud”

Bicks: “what’s happened to you today Rowie”

Rowe: “err err err I’ve had a bit of coke … I’m off to the cricket I’m quite excited”

Bicks: “but nothings changed in the last 18 months but today you’ve just been really critical”


Now tell me. What’s different today compared to a month ago in Rowe’s relationship with the club.

If you can’t get that, your being deliberately obtuse.

So it wasn’t at the beginning of the show like you said originally

Is that it? He said Rowe’s been really critical, that’s not stating a change of opinion on list management and you failed to include the part where Rowey said he’s been critical for 18 months and Bickley acknowledged it.

Sure he’s pissed at his sons delisting and was more vocal, but that doesn’t mean he has changed his opinion on our list management and McHenry. Surely you can understand that?

 

[Carmo]

Why is anyone using Stephen Rowe as an authority on anything about football? How did we get here?

 

[GreyCrow]

Unrelated but not sure if anyone caught Rowey’s meltdown on 5AA last night , totally lost it calling Reid a “Dud” and “should
be sacked” our list management “a joke amongst AFL circles” and went on to “wasted draft picks” then mentioning McAsey, McHenry and Jones.

The same dud who picked his son to play for the Crows?



(I agree with Rowey but he shot himself while aiming the gun)

 

[GreyCrow]

So you'd dismantle a list after playing off in the GF the year before? (admittedly things didn't go too well in 2018)

How long before we get back to the same position again, do you reckon?

I think as has been mentioned on here the biggest mistake was thinking we needed to punish and blame the players.

There was a pressure cooker environment and the camp blew the lid off.

The better idea was to send them off to relax and recharge and forget the result. Concentrate on being better fathers and sons etc

But a transition plan should have been in place as well.

I'm sure I mentioned the Geelong method of bringing in 5 new players each year - but 2018 we decided to not only blame the players but to make them carry the burden of continuity when fresh legs and faces may have just been enough

 

[George Kramer]

Why is anyone using Stephen Rowe as an authority on anything about football? How did we get here?

Who is doing that?

 

[GrommoT]

I think as has been mentioned on here the biggest mistake was thinking we needed to punish and blame the players.
There was a pressure cooker environment and the camp blew the lid off.
The better idea was to send them off to relax and recharge and forget the result. Concentrate on being better fathers and sons etc

A separate issue ... off field things were a bit rotten in Denmark.

But a transition plan should have been in place as well.

See point a above.

I'm sure I mentioned the Geelong method of bringing in 5 new players each year - but 2018 we decided to not only blame the players but to make them carry the burden of continuity when fresh legs and faces may have just been enough

The Geelong method is really not available to us (at least not with players who could make a difference). Like it or not, we have to rely on drafting and developing. We've had good fortune lately with 2 talented ex-SA players wanting to come home but it's not really a dependable way of getting talent.

All that said, I think we're on a good track to get back up.

 

[Sanders]

I agree why don't we all ignore him and don't respond to any of his posts.

Yeah… yeah… spike. Yeah yeah you’re the best

 

[Sanders]

How will he cope? Think of the children!

it hurts so much…

 

[Sanders]

Rowe needs to understand that, as he leads the major sports commentary in SA, he has to be fundamentally professional at all times.

I think there’s a pretty good chance he and his bosses know what their obligations are

 

[rabidcrow]

I knew someone would raise Lever .....we can't say that was a great success though, can we ? ......who else have we taken a risk with .....OK maybe Carey, but we sold the farm there ......Gibbs likewise

Port identify their targets, and find a way to get them .....so close with Esava this year

The 2018 draft they picked brilliantly and that puts them in a good position moving forward. But they did give up a lot - I reckon Wingard may have been really useful in the 2020 prelim when they lost by a goal, may even have been enough to get them over the line. Could argue similar giving up Howard - a type they desperately need.

I agree they have drafted well and aggressively chased their targets. But they could have missed a significant window in doing so


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[crow2crow]

And he would be right and its a crying shame rowe is out and mchenry stays. I'd have j rowe 100 times out of 100 ahead of mchenry. Rowe has his limitations but is a natural footballer. Mchenry is a headless chicken that runs all day

it wont make any difference to the outcome though so its not worth wasting thought on

the fact there is no interest in him elsewhere suggests all list managers see it the same

ive veen disappointed with how few goals rowe has kicked given his chances and possessions

mchenry won't be in team anyway and murphy will be delisted end of the year

 

[rabidcrow]

And he would be right and its a crying shame rowe is out and mchenry stays. I'd have j rowe 100 times out of 100 ahead of mchenry. Rowe has his limitations but is a natural footballer. Mchenry is a headless chicken that runs all day

I prefer Rowe also over McHenry and Murphy. But at this stage 17 other list managers haven’t jumped on him - still may after the draft.

Either way though suggests cutting him isn’t a poor decision


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[rabidcrow]

It's bad value because a possible top five pick next year should MINIMUM get us a top five pick this year.

And if we in any way rated him, we could have traded the future 1st and kept our pick and drafted him.

No one is giving a top 5 pick for a maybe next year. Having said that I would bet my house we aren’t trading into the early part of this draft.


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[rabidcrow]

Welsh ... was thinking WTF is Walsh?

Ha - typing quickly. You are correct


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[rabidcrow]

Good on you for thinking that. He’s the only one we drafted from that year that’s been cut.

Contract status cost him. Like many he didn’t make himself a lock in the team and has been delisted accordingly

If we had have of found a taker for Crouch, Sholl etc he may still have been on our list


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[Samcro24]

A direct quote. It’s on the podcast.

Rowe: (talking about port v crows list managers) “ones lauded the others a dud”

Ginever: “wow …”

Rowe: “an absolute dud”

Bicks: “what’s happened to you today Rowie”

Rowe: “err err err I’ve had a bit of coke … I’m off to the cricket I’m quite excited”

Bicks: “but nothings changed in the last 18 months but today you’ve just been really critical”


Now tell me. What’s different today compared to a month ago in Rowe’s relationship with the club.

If you can’t get that, your being deliberately obtuse.

Surprised Rowie admitting to getting on the anti inflammatories before the cricket.

 

[Mostyn]

I prefer Rowe also over McHenry and Murphy. But at this stage 17 other list managers haven’t jumped on him - still may after the draft.

Either way though suggests cutting him isn’t a poor decision


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I've been going back and watching our wins from this year - which is a bit misleading - but one of the players who did a lot more good things than I remembered was McHenry.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've been going back and watching our wins from this year - which is a bit misleading - but one of the players who did a lot more good things than I remembered was McHenry.

This is true .....the wave of emotion on match days, quite often clouds objective assessment on players .....not saying McHenry and Jones were great, however, they weren't as poor as portrayed on the board

 

[StonesThrow]

This is true .....the wave of emotion on match days, quite often clouds objective assessment on players .....not saying McHenry and Jones were great, however, they weren't as poor as portrayed on the board

I had to watch quite a few replays this year (knowing who'd won) and even I think he was poor in most games. A significant backwards step from where he looked to be tracking in 2021.

He's not a small forward (scored 2 goals twice this year) and his (effective) pressure comes and goes.

To be that small you either need to be quick or classy and he's neither.