List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[latinoheat]

Pick 15 - Gallucci
Pick 44 - Poholke
Pick 51 - Himmelberg
Pick 62 - Signorello
Pick 75 - Davis

None should be on our list at years end

 

[Mutineer]

None should be on our list at years end

Funnily enough I haven't put a line completely through Davis yet but my patience with Himmelberg is past now.

 

[Jirkago75]

Mids, Mids and more Mids. Would love to get another first rounder but struggle to think of any of our players who would be worth that currency.

If we pick up Max as father son, wonder what Doedee gets us. If it’s 2 firsts (1 top 10 and a later one). I’d me interested.
We have so many holes on our list, it’s crazy

 

[texanmike]

I read some article the other day, Clarkson when he was in charge at hawthorn did not allow them to draft anyone that was a bad kick of the football, no matter how good they were in other areas of the game, we really need to follow the same mantra, too many players in our current team that can’t kick reliably.

 

[Clayton Lamb]

If we pick up Max as father son, wonder what Doedee gets us. If it’s 2 firsts (1 top 10 and a later one). I’d me interested.
We have so many holes on our list, it’s crazy

I dont think outside our club that Doedee is rated that highly. He's starting his 7th season and he's only played 53 games. Jordan Dawson taken in same draft as Doedee has played more games and was traded for a very late first rounder. A second rounder is probably Doedee's worth on the market.

 

[Mutineer]

I read some article the other day, Clarkson when he was in charge at hawthorn did not allow them to draft anyone that was a bad kick of the football, no matter how good they were in other areas of the game, we really need to follow the same mantra, too many players in our current team that can’t kick reliably.

James Worpel

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "James Worpel is a natural born leader who loves the contested side of football and fierce tackling. His kicking is an area that will need to improve, but his inside game is top notch."

central.rookieme.com

Drafted James Worpel while Clarko was there.....

IMPROVEMENTS

• Kicking
• Agility

Worpel has two glaring improvements which hinder him from going to the next level. The cause for concern with his game is his kicking which as previously mentioned is poor, even for an inside midfielder. But rather than just quote the stats, there are technical aspects to his low efficiency. Most of his kicks often come under pressure, or when he does win the ball, sometimes his kicking action sees him off balance and he puts too much of an emphasis on penetration rather than trying to hit up an easier target. But putting an emphasis on penetration, he leans back on his kick, forcing it to loop or float which enables opponents to have a greater chance of spoiling, or getting to the ball drop. If he can take an extra second or two to put more emphasis on placement rather than penetration I dare say his kicking will improve.

 

[Mutineer]

I dont think outside our club that Doedee is rated that highly. He's starting his 7th season and he's only played 53 games. Jordan Dawson taken in same draft as Doedee has played more games and was traded for a very late first rounder. A second rounder is probably Doedee's worth on the market.

Won't matter, he won't be put on the trade table.

 

[maxlilly]

If we pick up Max as father son, wonder what Doedee gets us. If it’s 2 firsts (1 top 10 and a later one). I’d me interested.
We have so many holes on our list, it’s crazy

Doedee, another first round pick thats playing in the back pocket.
I like him and would love to see him in the midfield but he is wasted in the back pocket.
Back pocket players rarely get you a first round pick, let alone 2

 

[Sanders]

I read some article the other day, Clarkson when he was in charge at hawthorn did not allow them to draft anyone that was a bad kick of the football, no matter how good they were in other areas of the game, we really need to follow the same mantra, too many players in our current team that can’t kick reliably.

Clarkson doesn’t/didn’t have authority over drafting. He didn’t “allow” them to do anything

I’m sure he argues persuasively and was a massive driver of the culture so that this was the overarching set of values

I get that this sounds the same but it’s not. Coaches don’t have authority in drafting (thankfully).

 

[George Kramer]

Pick 15 - Gallucci
Pick 44 - Poholke
Pick 51 - Himmelberg
Pick 62 - Signorello
Pick 75 - Davis

Why did you post their picks? Was it to highlight Hamish blew a first rounder, a pick in the 40s (Lyons compo) and later picks?

 

[George Kramer]

Mids, Mids and more Mids. Would love to get another first rounder but struggle to think of any of our players who would be worth that currency.

There’s no point, we won’t play them as mids. We’ve got a bunch we don’t like if they are any good.

 

[Jirkago75]

Won't matter, he won't be put on the trade table.

I wouldn’t trade him but it’s an interesting discussion. Good talent but just so injury prone

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Clarkson doesn’t/didn’t have authority over drafting. He didn’t “allow” them to do anything

I’m sure he argues persuasively and was a massive driver of the culture so that this was the overarching set of values

I get that this sounds the same but it’s not. Coaches don’t have authority in drafting (thankfully).

This is from a Hawthorn scout (long way down the totem pole so fwiw)

Clarkson had three non-negotiables he wanted the drafters/recruiters to abide by. He never told them which players they should draft or got involved at that level however the three non-negotiables were

Kicking
Competitiveness (needed to be hard c units)
Character (hard workers, coachable, team oriented)

If a player ended up at the Hawks who didn't fit the criteria eg kicking was iffy the drafters would get absolutely roasted by Clarkson. Staff right down to the volunteer level were scared shitless of drafting the wrong type of player.

This came from low down the chain of command so potential for exaggerations, half truths etc but it was their perspective

 

[George Kramer]

This is from a Hawthorn scout (long way down the totem pole so fwiw)

Clarkson had three non-negotiables he wanted the drafters/recruiters to abide by. He never told them which players they should draft or got involved at that level however the three non-negotiables were

Kicking
Competitiveness (needed to be hard c units)
Character (hard workers, coachable, team oriented)

If a player ended up at the Hawks who didn't fit the criteria eg kicking was iffy the drafters would get absolutely roasted by Clarkson. Staff right down to the volunteer level were scared shitless of drafting the wrong type of player.

This came from low down the chain of command so potential for exaggerations, half truths etc but it was their perspective

And given the list and game plan makes sense

 

[Mutineer]

Why did you post their picks? Was it to highlight Hamish blew a first rounder, a pick in the 40s (Lyons compo) and later picks?

HUH?

 

[George Kramer]

HUH?

A picture of the players from the draft was posted, you posted their draft positions, why?

 

[Jinglebells32]

If we pick up Max as father son, wonder what Doedee gets us. If it’s 2 firsts (1 top 10 and a later one). I’d me interested.
We have so many holes on our list, it’s crazy

probably a second rounder. He's hardly got on the field

 

[Mutineer]

A picture of the players from the draft was posted, you posted their draft positions, why?

I didn't post the pic.Gallucci is the only player that was a 1st round pick the others 3rd round onwards and IMO Gallucci's problem wasn't so much lack of talent, it appears he wasn't prepared to work hard enough or accept feedback performance wise. Probably the only year the recruiting guys haven't managed to find a pretty decent player with a later/rookie pick.

 

[George Kramer]

I didn't post the pic.Gallucci is the only player that was a 1st round pick the others 3rd round onwards and IMO Gallucci's problem wasn't so much lack of talent, it appears he wasn't prepared to work hard enough or accept feedback performance wise. Probably the only year the recruiting guys haven't managed to find a pretty decent player with a later/rookie pick.

I know you didn't post the pic, the question was why you posted their draft positions which you have since answered. It was basically an attempt to deflect away from Hamish's abysmal draft performance that year.

 

[Mutineer]

I know you didn't post the pic, the question was why you posted their draft positions which you have since answered. It was basically an attempt to deflect away from Hamish's abysmal draft performance that year.

Can't always pick diamonds out of the rough...The only real big fail there is Gallucci and how we came to pick him has been discussed plenty in the past.
Gallucci went around the mark he was predicted to go....he was the midfielder around that point in the draft with genuine speed on offer which apparently was Pyke's wish. And like I said I really don't think lack of talent was the reason he failed to live up to what you may expect from later 1st round pick. He seemed to tick the "character" assessment box being an AFL Academy member, Captaining the Eastern Ranges TAC Cup and Co-Captaining Vic Metro's U16's team.

 

[George Kramer]

Can't always pick diamonds out of the rough...The only real big fail there is Gallucci and how we came to pick him has been discussed plenty in the past.
Gallucci went around the mark he was predicted to go....he was the midfielder around that point in the draft with genuine speed on offer which apparently was Pyke's wish. And like I said I really don't think lack of talent was the reason he failed to live up to what you may expect from later 1st round pick. He seemed to tick the "character" assessment box being an AFL Academy member, Captaining the Eastern Ranges TAC Cup and Co-Captaining Vic Metro's U16's team.

Add Gallucci to Hamish's history of mediocre to poor first round picks. We need a fresh set of eyes and drafting philosophy.

 

[Crow till I die]

Early doors this season but it might be needed that we look to trade our 2023 1st into this draft to try and flesh out the high end picks we have already taken to try and speed things up a bit. If we have another lean year and a bottom 4 finish, there might be a number of takers for that future pick. I like Max Michalanney as player - Rostervor boy and has real poise. I think would be a good addition to our list. Then if we end up with 2 firsts - say a top 4 and a pick between 8-12 (hopefully from trading our future 1st and wheeling and dealing it if needs be), grab the best mid in the draft and then go again.

Are there any needs based players that we would have a good chance of trading for coming out of contract this year? - we know Luko and Rankine currently are out as is Dunkley but who else and are they gettable?. Whatever happens at the end of this year, we need to be really aggressive both at the trade table and the draft to put more high end players around the kids we currently have

 

[Mutineer]

DaKids 1990crow

Here's a pic taken in February re Max Michalanney's growth....

Isaac Keeler 198cm - 88Kg, Adam D'Alioa 186cm - 86kg, Max Michalanney, 190cm 75Kg.

 

[1990crow]

DaKids 1990crow

Here's a pic taken in February re Max Michalanney's growth....

Isaac Keeler 198cm - 88Kg, Adam D'Alioa 186cm 0 86kg, Max Michalanney, 190cm 75Kg.

View attachment 1356943

Looks like he's clearly a third tall unless he has a late growth spurt.

 

[1990crow]

Early doors this season but it might be needed that we look to trade our 2023 1st into this draft to try and flesh out the high end picks we have already taken to try and speed things up a bit. If we have another lean year and a bottom 4 finish, there might be a number of takers for that future pick. I like Max Michalanney as player - Rostervor boy and has real poise. I think would be a good addition to our list. Then if we end up with 2 firsts - say a top 4 and a pick between 8-12 (hopefully from trading our future 1st and wheeling and dealing it if needs be), grab the best mid in the draft and then go again.

Are there any needs based players that we would have a good chance of trading for coming out of contract this year? - we know Luko and Rankine currently are out as is Dunkley but who else and are they gettable?. Whatever happens at the end of this year, we need to be really aggressive both at the trade table and the draft to put more high end players around the kids we currently have

I would be hesitant to trade out future picks now having watched the first two rounds.
Might be two steps back to go forward required and whilst in principal yes it would be good to have multiple elite talents coming through this offseason, the risk is end of next year we are still bottom 4 and we miss out on a sure fire gun that is better than this year's trade in.