List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

what do we do?

  • trade back in with a future first and take phillipou

  • trade back in with a future second and take barnett

  • trade back in with a future second for someone else

  • only take MM and keep the other spot for PSD/rookie


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Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson (re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman (re-listed)
 
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Yes so you must be extremely disappointed in Hamish for picking Gallucci, Jones and McHrenry.

But you know we can’t have 6 x 177cm midfielders.
Geez you're becoming tiresome running that same line every time I post something re the draft.

I know you're baiting me so don't expect me to get into any of back and forth that you revel in with posters silly enough to keep biting.
 
How many posters are complaining about Soligo? How many would be complaining now had we taken Serong over McAsey?

Its to do with the quality of the player and you know that. But you wont have a bad word to say about Hamish's recruiting so there is that.

And yes, you do need some balance in the midfield, you must acknowledge that at least.
Nobody is complaining about Soligo now but people definitely were complaining about him being too short, go home factor and other things when he was drafted. Having said that, 'some people on the internet are upset' is not a high bar.
 

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Mutineer ....thoughts on Barnett ?

I think he'd make a great KPD .....has the size, mobility, and aggressive game to succeed

Where do you think he goes in the Draft .....1st rnd ?
I can see it

I don't think he's shown as much promise as someone like Lewis Hayes when he's been played down back, but he's shown the aggression and sticky hands when resting back there, like you say

That said, I think he gets drafted based on his rucking potential more than anything
 
Geez you're becoming tiresome running that same line every time I post something re the draft.

I know you're baiting me so don't expect me to get into any of back and forth that you revel in with posters silly enough to keep biting.
And yet you put out provocative posts like “usual suspects” and you don’t expect a response?

And it’s not baiting you, all Im after is just once an unbiased assessment of our drafting in particular our midfield, the fact you won’t means my posts seem to be repetitive.
 
Nobody is complaining about Soligo now but people definitely were complaining about him being too short, go home factor and other things when he was drafted. Having said that, 'some people on the internet are upset' is not a high bar.
No doubt. But in the end that matters little. We will accept quality drafting.
 
Geez you're becoming tiresome running that same line every time I post something re the draft.

I know you're baiting me so don't expect me to get into any of back and forth that you revel in with posters silly enough to keep biting.
You started the baiting, ignoring the fact that Hamish hasnt been capable of drafting a midfield and keeps going to the same well which lacks speed, height and skill. Unfortunately he's had a lot of drafts and failed.

The fact is he has a fetish with sub 6 ft mids for some inconceivable reason that dont football very well at AFL level.

You may love a Lockie Neale but I would prefer a Dusty, Bont, type if I had a choice of 2. Unfortunately we have neither and no I dont think anyone will melt with a genuine classy mid but we will if he goes left field or picks a tall
 
You're dreaming if you the usual suspects won't run the "short people" up the flagpole as usual. How does grabbing a tall forward or a tall defender average out the height of our midfield.

Not being a smart ass here but how many times have you seen George Wardlaw, Elijah Tsatas, Jhye Clark or Harry Sheezel play at any level?
You talk about short players more than anyone else on here. No one was happy when we took a tall in Mcasey at 6
 
You started the baiting, ignoring the fact that Hamish hasnt been capable of drafting a midfield and keeps going to the same well which lacks speed, height and skill. Unfortunately he's had a lot of drafts and failed.

The fact is he has a fetish with sub 6 ft mids for some inconceivable reason that dont football very well at AFL level.

You may love a Lockie Neale but I would prefer a Dusty, Bont, type if I had a choice of 2. Unfortunately we have neither and no I dont think anyone will melt with a genuine classy mid but we will if he goes left field or picks a tall
And how many of those have been available to us in recent times?

Thankfully one might be available this year in Phillipou
 
Nobody is complaining about Soligo now but people definitely were complaining about him being too short, go home factor and other things when he was drafted. Having said that, 'some people on the internet are upset' is not a high bar.
When we end up with Jones, McHenry, Gallucci, Poholke, Rowe then go small, small, small after Pedlar and Schoenberg and are sitting in the bottom 4 everyone has the right to melt and raise questions with each pick
 
And how many of those have been available to us in recent times?

Thankfully one might be available this year in Phillipou
Don't get to excited, we have a habit of doing the illogical.
I posted a list enough times.
The other job of list managers and recruiters is to put your picks in places to get guys you need. Im not saying thats easy but its what they get paid to do. Jenkins non trade, Gibbs trade, Dangerfield trade, there's been plenty of opportunities to be creative ands we are talking close to a 10 year period of small slow poor disposal guys far outweighing speed and skill.
 

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And how many of those have been available to us in recent times?

Thankfully one might be available this year in Phillipou
I think Elijah Hewett has a lot of similarities physically and game style wise to Dusty?
 
When we end up with Jones, McHenry, Gallucci, Poholke, Rowe then go small, small, small after Pedlar and Schoenberg and are sitting in the bottom 4 everyone has the right to melt and raise questions with each pick
I think the question is whether the problem with those draft picks is their height or not. I'm talking specifically about people complaining about the drafting of short players, not people complaining about drafting clear misses like Gallucci (which is a justified complaint but has nothing to do with height). Rachele, Soligo and Berry are shorter and look like great picks, McHenry and Jones not so much, though I'm still hopeful Jones might work out to be decent.

Also, not sure if you're saying Pedlar and Schoenberg are short or what the bar is for 'tall' really, but I don't know if Pedlar is that short. He's pretty close to the height of someone like Petracca or Martin, who I'm sure we agree are decent mids.

Anyway, don't care about height really, there are tons of dud picks that are tall. Just need to pick good players as consistently as possible.
 
Mutineer was
Maybe go check out the draft board from that year, I was on the Lachie Ash bandwagon actually, but I could see the club's thinking in trading back to get who they hoped would be Daniel Talia's replacement when GWS's offer was so good. I don't think too many clubs would have knocked back the deal GWS offered essentially pick 4 for 2 1st round picks 6 & 10 (Luke Pedlar).
 
It we are up for drafting just in terms of a game breaker with real weapons

1. Sheezel
2. Phillipou
3. Tsatas
4. Hewett

^ Are the obvious in order of preference for me

McKenzie and Jye Clarke are also both potential great mids but likely be more the consistent types and overall I have then higher than Hewett as he’s a bit risky ( big gap between good and bad )
 
Don't get to excited, we have a habit of doing the illogical.
I posted a list enough times.
The other job of list managers and recruiters is to put your picks in places to get guys you need. Im not saying thats easy but its what they get paid to do. Jenkins non trade, Gibbs trade, Dangerfield trade, there's been plenty of opportunities to be creative ands we are talking close to a 10 year period of small slow poor disposal guys far outweighing speed and skill.
Wouldn't necessarily have called guys like Gallucci and Jones 'slow, with poor disposal' at the time they were drafted

The problem is in our pure talent identification. Thankfully this seems to have improved a bit with top 6 or so picks (Rachele/Thilthorpe), where it's close to impossible to miss (that said we still managed to mess up selecting McAsey), but we seem to struggle to pin-point the players whose strengths can be applied in an AFL system, in order to reach a high level of potential. See: Gallucci, Jones, Ned, McAsey. Hell, even Pedlar could still end up in this category (although I won't start to make a judgment there until next season)

The stuff you say about using your assets wisely definitely has premise, although in a few cases I'd more say that it was just a plain whiff (e.g. Gibbs deal, GWS McAsey deal) rather than lacking creativity
 
It we are up for drafting just in terms of a game breaker with real weapons

1. Sheezel
2. Phillipou
3. Tsatas
4. Hewett

^ Are the obvious in order of preference for me

McKenzie and Jye Clarke are also both potential great mids but likely be more the consistent types and overall I have then higher than Hewett as he’s a bit risky ( big gap between good and bad )
I'd be ecstatic to get a game-breaker, that said I'd be cool with getting any high-end young midfield talent. We're still overall lacking in that department

It's why I'd be okay with drafting Clark if we were to go down that path, an inside mid with his smarts and kicking skills is still something we lack
 
I'd be ecstatic to get a game-breaker, that said I'd be cool with getting any high-end young midfield talent. We're still overall lacking in that department

It's why I'd be okay with drafting Clark if we were to go down that path, an inside mid with his smarts and kicking skills is still something we lack
Bloody good overhead for his size as well.
 
Nobody is complaining about Soligo now but people definitely were complaining about him being too short, go home factor and other things when he was drafted. Having said that, 'some people on the internet are upset' is not a high bar.
I just want the recruiters to bring in guys that are natural footballers first and then condition them to be athletic not the other way round.

I have been a critic of Frampton for example as he just can't defend 1 v 1 at afl level BUT if he could redefine himself as an effective second ruck then he has real value as he CAN hit targets by foot and he CAN intercept mark. Its why i like parnell...sure he has had a baptism of fire as a small defender at AFL level but he CAN hit targets so as he improves his defensive output you can rely on him to hit a target. Lets just get as many natural footballers as we can do first and foremost...not athletes who need to learn how to kick
 
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I think the question is whether the problem with those draft picks is their height or not. I'm talking specifically about people complaining about the drafting of short players, not people complaining about drafting clear misses like Gallucci (which is a justified complaint but has nothing to do with height). Rachele, Soligo and Berry are shorter and look like great picks, McHenry and Jones not so much, though I'm still hopeful Jones might work out to be decent.

Also, not sure if you're saying Pedlar and Schoenberg are short or what the bar is for 'tall' really, but I don't know if Pedlar is that short. He's pretty close to the height of someone like Petracca or Martin, who I'm sure we agree are decent mids.

Anyway, don't care about height really, there are tons of dud picks that are tall. Just need to pick good players as consistently as possible.
It’s more about talent the size. Neale is great, his height doesn’t matter, we have lots of misses but you can’t blame height
 
I think the question is whether the problem with those draft picks is their height or not. I'm talking specifically about people complaining about the drafting of short players, not people complaining about drafting clear misses like Gallucci (which is a justified complaint but has nothing to do with height). Rachele, Soligo and Berry are shorter and look like great picks, McHenry and Jones not so much, though I'm still hopeful Jones might work out to be decent.

Also, not sure if you're saying Pedlar and Schoenberg are short or what the bar is for 'tall' really, but I don't know if Pedlar is that short. He's pretty close to the height of someone like Petracca or Martin, who I'm sure we agree are decent mids.

Anyway, don't care about height really, there are tons of dud picks that are tall. Just need to pick good players as consistently as possible.
It’s more about talent the size. Neale is great, doesn’t matter the size, we have lots of misses but you can’t blame height or
 
I just want the recruiters to bring in guys that are natural footballers first and then condition them to be athletic not the other way round.

I have been a critic of Frampton for example as he just can't defend 1 v 1 at afl level BUT if he could redefine himself as an effective second ruck then he has real value as he CAN hit targets by foot and he CAN intercept mark. Its why i like parnell...sure he has had a baptism of fire as a small defender at AFL level but he CAN hit targets so as he improves his defensive output you can rely on him to hit a target. Lets just get as many natural footballers as we can do first and foremost...not athletes who need to learn how to kick
I'm not convinced there are a lot of natural footballers who are not athletic who are available in the draft in the modern game. Without athletic abilities they're not going to get through the junior systems to get discovered in most cases, and probably won't be suitable for the AFL anyway. Obviously you might find the occasional gem but it's going to be rare and not a viable drafting strategy. That said, Pedlar is someone with some good football attributes who seems to lack the fitness/tank side of the game at the moment and he's not doing better than someone like Berry who is less highly skilled but has the physical/athletic side down and is growing in to the rest of his game. Maybe Pedlar comes good with another preseason or two and is a star, maybe not, but Berry seems to be ahead right now.

But even in the Pedlar case he's obviously still athletic, just doesn't have an AFL level tank. Basically I think this is something which sounds good but doesn't really exist, unless you can point to some natural footballers who just needed to be conditioned that we've passed over in the draft and some other, wiser club picked up. We've had plenty of draft misses but they don't look like that to me.
 

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