List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

Spoiler

 

[Vader]

My guess:

Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

- Retire/New Contract 1 year
Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

- New contract
Harry Schoenberg - New contract
Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

- Delist
Josh Worrell - New Contract
Shane McAdam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

- New Contract
Jordan Butts (R) - New Contract
Fischer McAsey

3

Fischer Mcasey

Age

23

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.8

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

3star

MG

102.3

2star

D

6.8

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

MG

102.3

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

MG

114.8

2star

- Delist
Tom Doedee

12

Tom Doedee

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

3star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

228.8

3star

D

19.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

4star

- New Contract
Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

- New Contract
Lachlan Murphy

4

Lachlan Murphy

Age

25

Ht

174cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

G

1.0

4star

- New Contract
Nick Murray (R) - New Contract
Kieran Strachan (R) - New Contract
Matthew Crouch - Delist
Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

- Delist/retire
Jackson Hately

6

Jackson Hately

Age

24

Ht

191cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.4

3star

D

17.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

- - Delist
Zac Talyor - New Contract
Luke Nankervis - New Contract
Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

- Retire/New Contract 1 year
James Borlase - Delist
Tariek NewChurch - Delist

Of course things could change in 12 months, with players wanting out (e.g. Frampton this year). Those could be uncontracted players, or players who are contracted for 2024.

Potentially (depending on Walker & Sloane), that's 8 players off the senior list. Murray will likely be upgraded from the rookie list, but that's still a LOT of players to be drafting. With (potentially) 4 of our remaining 6x 100+ game players exiting, it would also leave us seriously short of experience.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If someone gazumps us on Strachan, then we'd need to find another ruckman with one of our 2x ND picks, or our only RD pick. If there are worse options than letting Strachan go, then I don't want to think about what they are. It's a terrible idea.

I'd take a huge risk and delist Crouch & attempt to rookie him ......we just have to hope & pray, a Club doesn't snatch him from under our noses

 

[1990crow]

Can’t see us delisting Strachan, he’s won the bnf 2 years in a row.
Not really his fault the coaches are wedded to ROB.

Winning a sanfl best and fairest just means your not good enough for the ones.
If he fails to overtake ROB there's really not much point keeping him given his age.

 

[MrBarry]

We pumped way too many games into Rowe last year imo given he was gone.

 

[MRB37]

Murphy and McHenry suck just as much as Rowe (for different reasons) but we were dumb enough to sign them up again so Rowe cops it instead.

I think the fanbase opinion of Murphy and McHenry and Nicks opinion on them are at opposite ends.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

He’s a contracted senior player who suffered a shocking injury and deserves some respect. But the point is if Reid didn’t * up the list management, this wouldn’t be a discussion.

Lol and what about your respect (or lack there of) to Crouch?

 

[Pick4To6]

I think the fanbase opinion of Murphy and McHenry and Nicks opinion on them are at opposite ends.

That why Nicks is in trouble if he continues to play those 2 and we keep losing.

Hopefully Murphy never plays an AFL game again.

 

[whattagun07]

So whats the general consensus on Rowe?
Not good enough?
Might be good enough, but played Out of position?
Was good enough

 

[displacedaussie]

So whats the general consensus on Rowe?
Not good enough?
Might be good enough, but played Out of position?
Was good enough

Not good enough for the AFL.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Murph and McHenry could easily find themselves delisted when their contracts run out too. Nicks might be a goner if he puts out another shit season and both of those guys will end up having their first meeting with the new coach be their last meeting.

I think the fanbase opinion of Murphy and McHenry and Nicks opinion on them are at opposite ends.

Fans demand goals from small forwards. Nicks doesn't seem to think it matters.

 

[BRL121]

So whats the general consensus on Rowe?
Not good enough?
Might be good enough, but played Out of position?
Was good enough

I reckon he was much better than expected in his movement downfield, ball getting, and passing.
However, he didn't live up to the hype of a goalsneak. His kicking for goal was very poor.
On that alone, he would be worth another go at improving.

The killer, however, is that he had little defence and no ability to keep the ball inside the 50 when under one-on one pressure.
There was one glaring example of that in an AO game which I reckon sealed the deal on his sacking under this defence-minded coach.

 

[whattagun07]

Murph and McHenry could easily find themselves delisted when their contracts run out too. Nicks might be a goner if he puts out another s**t season and both of those guys will end up having their first meeting with the new coach be their last meeting.

Would be happy if Buckley took over after next year tbh.
out: Mchenry, murphy, mcasey, crouch, sholl, sloane

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Would be happy if Buckley took over after next year tbh.
out: Mchenry, murphy, mcasey, crouch, sholl, sloane

Yes to the outs but I'm not keen on Buckley. The only time Collingwood looked good under him was when he had Longmuir helping him out. Things reverted back to the mean when he left for Freo.

 

[Bernie L]

We pumped way too many games into Rowe last year imo given he was gone.

Yes and no Baz. We didnt know we were getting Rankine until late in the season.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

If someone gazumps us on Strachan, then we'd need to find another ruckman with one of our 2x ND picks, or our only RD pick. If there are worse options than letting Strachan go, then I don't want to think about what they are. It's a terrible idea.

I have nothing against Strachan, he seems like a perfectly serviceable ruckman, but if the club does need to vacate another list spot, then it really wouldn’t be that bigger deal. Again, we’re not having our season derailed if O’Brien goes down. No flags or serious finals pushes are being gambled on here. If O’Brien goes down then TT and Himmelberg are capable of holding down the role adequately for a bottom 8 club. We do not need to waste a draft pick on a backup. We just don’t. Get through this year and have a crack at a ruckman from another club. It’s easily done and happens all the time and won’t cost an arm and a leg. It’s not that bigger deal for next year.

 

[MRB37]

That why Nicks is in trouble if he continues to play those 2 and we keep losing.

Hopefully Murphy never plays an AFL game again.

My guess/hope is it's the "best of a bad situation" type deal. Like they have have traits that he wants for the position, so they get the nod until we find someone better.

It's hard to see them both in the side next year if we're adding Rankine and trying to blood guys like Taylor and Pedlar too. Someone like Murphy should be the first one making way.

 

[Vader]

Murph and McHenry could easily find themselves delisted when their contracts run out too. Nicks might be a goner if he puts out another s**t season and both of those guys will end up having their first meeting with the new coach be their last meeting.

Pretty much no chance of either of these statements being true.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Pretty much no chance of either of these statements being true.

Murph has one more year, McHenry has two so they won't get delisted at the same time. I could easily see Murph going, then McHenry the following year though. If Nicks remains, they're probably safe. He loves talentless players who try hard.

 

[Vader]

Murph has one more year, McHenry has two so they won't get delisted at the same time. I could easily see Murph going, then McHenry the following year though. If Nicks remains, they're probably safe. He loves talentless players who try hard.

Neither will be going at the end of their current contracts.

.. and there's no chance of Nicks being sacked next year either.

 

[Crow till I die]

So whats the general consensus on Rowe?
Not good enough?
Might be good enough, but played Out of position?
Was good enough

I am an outlier it seems as i would have him 1000 times out of 1000 ahead of mchenry or murphy. He is a natural footballer with limitations but he has vastly better footskills than the other 2. Its a list f up to have him as the odd one out of those 3 imo

 

[1990crow]

I am an outlier it seems as i would have him 1000 times out of 1000 ahead of mchenry or murphy. He is a natural footballer with limitations but he has vastly better footskills than the other 2. Its a list f up to have him as the odd one out of those 3 imo

I don't think it will matter in two years. We can only cut so many players every year and replace them with better talents.

They are a leftover from the pre-2020 rebuild.

 

[Crow_68]

I am an outlier it seems as i would have him 1000 times out of 1000 ahead of mchenry or murphy. He is a natural footballer with limitations but he has vastly better footskills than the other 2. Its a list f up to have him as the odd one out of those 3 imo

Unfortunately, it comes down to the only one out of the three who was out of contract.

 

[DJ75]

Reid:

Spoke to a guy today that told me one of the coaches gave Reid a list of players that were unlikely to have an AFL career. Reid signed all them up. Most on 2-3 year deals.

 

[Scorpus]

I think the fanbase opinion of Murphy and McHenry and Nicks opinion on them are at opposite ends.

Which is strange as we keep targeting new small forwards to replace them.

 

[Vader]

Spoke to a guy today that told me one of the coaches gave Reid a list of players that were unlikely to have an AFL career. Reid signed all them up. Most on 2-3 year deals.

And you were dumb enough to believe them?