List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

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[Samcro24]

You can skip the skin folds mate! Crows young gun shows off ripped rig after off-season shred

You can skip the skin folds mate! Crows young gun shows off ripped rig after off-season shred

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Just look at this fat lazy SOB

 

[George Kramer]

If you are going to start calling our players SOBs… maybe it’s time for you to move on.

That’s the thing isn’t it, he’s actually calling a young footballer a son of a bitch because in his deluded mind he didn’t work hard enough.

Disgraceful

 

[George Kramer]

You can skip the skin folds mate! Crows young gun shows off ripped rig after off-season shred

You can skip the skin folds mate! Crows young gun shows off ripped rig after off-season shred

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Just look at this fat lazy SOB

Vader should put up a photo of his rig

 

[martyparty]

That’s the thing isn’t it, he’s actually calling a young footballer a son of a bitch because in his deluded mind he didn’t work hard enough.

Disgraceful

I’m just happy that ‘fat’ bloke D. Jarman kicked 5 goals in our last GF.

 

[Vader]

As George said who I assume you have on ignore.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Well, I can categorically say that he was unfit at the start of the season. I can say with equal certainty that he had gained fitness by the middle of the year. Blind Freddy could tell you that Fog would have been one of the Burgess' highest priority players, the minute he walked through the doors.

It doesn't take a genius to fill in the blanks.

It does, on the other hand, take a high degree of wilfull ignorance to come to any other conclusion...

 

[Samcro24]

Well, I can categorically say that he was unfit at the start of the season. I can say with equal certainty that he had gained fitness by the middle of the year. Blind Freddy could tell you that Fog would have been one of the Burgess' highest priority players, the minute he walked through the doors.

It doesn't take a genius to fill in the blanks.

It does, on the other hand, take a high degree of wilfull ignorance to come to any other conclusion...

 

[Vader]

So if he was unfit at the start of the season, and fit mid season, you are indeed suggesting he got fit within about 4 weeks.

I don't think that's possible

No... I'm saying it started long before the start of the season, and he was still well short of proper fitness by the time the season started (such was the deficit with which he started). By mid-season he had finally achieved the fitness level he should have had 3 years ago.

 

[Vader]

Fog didn't turn his game around because of fitness.

Fog turned his game around as he played smarter after a good chat to our coaches & Tex.

I think better coaching played a part... but the biggest part was played by his improved fitness (and confidence - courtesy of his time with the shrink).

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think better coaching played a part... but the biggest part was played by his improved fitness (and confidence - courtesy of his time with the shrink).

No, we already knew from reports he was the fittest he has been from pre-season reports.

I was critical earlier in the season of a lack of repeat leads/efforts, but this wasn't because he couldn't due to a lack of fitness... rather that he was still learning his craft. Fortunately after some good coaching advice it has clicked.

 

[Vader]

No, we already knew from reports he was the fittest he has been from pre-season reports.

I was critical earlier in the season of a lack of repeat leads/efforts, but this wasn't because he couldn't due to a lack of fitness... rather that he was still learning his craft. Fortunately after some good coaching advice it has clicked.

I'm not arguing that. I have no doubt he was the fittest he'd ever been, he still wasn't AFL fit. All that tells us is the magnitude of the deficit from which he was starting.

He was barely 1/10 fitness in previous years. By the end of the 2022 pre-season he'd got that up to a 4/10, a massive improvement on his previous position, but still well short of where he needed to be. He continued putting in the work, and got that up to 8/10 by mid-season, which is where he should have been 3 years ago.

I'm not saying that better coaching didn't play a part - it obviously did. But the single biggest factor was a massive improvement in his fitness.

 

[Crowked]

I reckon Fogs improvement started with the camp.

 

[Samcro24]

I'm not arguing that. I have no doubt he was the fittest he'd ever been, he still wasn't AFL fit. All that tells us is the magnitude of the deficit from which he was starting.

He was barely 1/10 fitness in previous years. By the end of the 2022 pre-season he'd got that up to a 4/10, a massive improvement on his previous position, but still well short of where he needed to be. He continued putting in the work, and got that up to 8/10 by mid-season, which is where he should have been 3 years ago.

I'm not saying that better coaching didn't play a part - it obviously did. But the single biggest factor was a massive improvement in his fitness.

Are these scores from champion data, or something that the club publishes?

 

[Sanders]

I'm not arguing that. I have no doubt he was the fittest he'd ever been, he still wasn't AFL fit. All that tells us is the magnitude of the deficit from which he was starting.

He was barely 1/10 fitness in previous years. By the end of the 2022 pre-season he'd got that up to a 4/10, a massive improvement on his previous position, but still well short of where he needed to be. He continued putting in the work, and got that up to 8/10 by mid-season, which is where he should have been 3 years ago.

I'm not saying that better coaching didn't play a part - it obviously did. But the single biggest factor was a massive improvement in his fitness.

It’s just sad that you’ve talked yourself into believing this trash

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm not arguing that. I have no doubt he was the fittest he'd ever been, he still wasn't AFL fit. All that tells us is the magnitude of the deficit from which he was starting.

He was barely 1/10 fitness in previous years. By the end of the 2022 pre-season he'd got that up to a 4/10, a massive improvement on his previous position, but still well short of where he needed to be. He continued putting in the work, and got that up to 8/10 by mid-season, which is where he should have been 3 years ago.

I'm not saying that better coaching didn't play a part - it obviously did. But the single biggest factor was a massive improvement in his fitness.

No, you are very wrong on this one!

You don't suddenly get very fit in a few weeks lol.

This was more about mind than body with his change around.

 

[FR0GGY]

It’s clear he picked up fitness playing SANFL.

 

[George Kramer]

No, you are very wrong on this one!

You don't suddenly get very fit in a few weeks lol.

This was more about mind than body with his change around.

But he went from 4 to 8 I tell you!!

The idiocy of his theory is the bulk of the fitness work is done preseason. Once games start it’s recovery, maintenance and preparation for the next game.

Vader needs help.

 

[Mostyn]

We spent the first few years of Fogarty's career stuffing him around, dropping him with a hair trigger, changing his role for no reason.

We stopped doing all that s**t, backed him in after a lean period and he got the confidence to show his full potential at the highest level. In addition to extra experience at AFL level that's what led to the turnaround.

I think we let both him and Walker have a period where they were encouraged to carry too much weight - not fat, but too solid. They were also being coached to go body to body with their defender far too often.

A different physical program, and - frankly - a far better approach from the forwards coach put both of them on a path towards drastic improvement.

 

[Mostyn]

Especially when there are news reports of the extra work he was doing in the previous preseason.

It’s clear he’s come good with experience, Rahillys coaching and confidence and self belief which came from the course he and TT did.

Yes obviously he got fitter as all young footballers do with more preseasons, plus he is a big lad.

To suggest he was a lazy arse is an insult and I’d love Vader to say that to Fogs face.

This is all true.

To say Fog was unfit is just a gross simplification.

 

[BucketsNj]

If you are going to start calling our players SOBs… maybe it’s time for you to move on.

A thousand times this.

 

[Rags_118]

Nope ....just rumours McAsey wanted to leave ....no concrete info

Talia was a better player, because he was 10 years older ....don't compare a player at the start of his career, with an experienced Talia

Talia made the “22 Under 22 “teams in his 3rd and 4th seasons - he was All-Australian in his 5th season on the list (2014). Ben Rutten a lowly Rookie Pick was All-Australian in his 4th season on the list (2004).

McAsey has a lot of catching up to do to match Talia. A sceptical few might bet that McAsey won’t even reach the heights of Luke Thompson who stepped in for Talia when injured in the 2012 finals.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talia made the “22 Under 22 “teams in his 3rd and 4th seasons - he was All-Australian in his 5th season on the list (2014). Ben Rutten a lowly Rookie Pick was All-Australian in his 4th season on the list (2004).

McAsey has a lot of catching up to do to match Talia. A sceptical few might bet that McAsey won’t even reach the heights of Luke Thompson who stepped in for Talia when injured in the 2012 finals.

Cmon Rags_118 ....join us McAsey supporters .....all two of us

One last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

Last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

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[George Kramer]

Cmon Rags_118 ....join us McAsey supporters .....all two of us

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One last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

Last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

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You are either going to be mad genius if you end up being right, if not, a lonely loser

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You are either going to be mad genius if you end up being right, if not, a lonely loser

True ....at least I'll put my hand up, if I'm wrong ....apparently, that's a rarity

 

[Dangarman]

Cmon Rags_118 ....join us McAsey supporters .....all two of us

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One last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

Last crack for club greats; AFL heavyweights in No Man’s Land: Every side’s flag window

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Interesting article. Their assessment has WC furthest from a premiership window opening in 2028, then North in 2027 and us in 2026. The other 15 clubs will all be in contention over the next 3 seasons apparently.

Apparently Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Port, Richmond, Sydney and the Dogs will all be in the window next season. At least one of those clubs won't even make the finals...

 

[Big Dub]

Interesting article. Their assessment has WC furthest from a premiership window opening in 2028, then North in 2027 and us in 2026. The other 15 clubs will all be in contention over the next 3 seasons apparently.

Apparently Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Port, Richmond, Sydney and the Dogs will all be in the window next season. At least one of those clubs won't even make the finals...

Is it just me, or have we been given a really short flag window compared with other teams (excluding those in the "right now" window)?