List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[TRP1996]

AFL TOP-UP LIST​

ADELAIDE
Luke Partington, Glenelg FC
Corey Lyons, Glenelg FC
Sam Durdin, Glenelg FC
Matthew Allen, Glenelg FC
Justin Hoskin, Central District FC
Travis Schiller, Central District FC
Kyle Presbury, Central District FC
Billy McCormack, Central District FC
Malachy Carruthers, Sturt FC
Daniel Fahey-Sparks, Sturt FC
Tom Lewis, Sturt FC
Casey Voss, Sturt FC
Alex Spina, North FC
Campbell Combe, North FC
Harrison Wigg, North FC
Aaron Young, North FC
Jay Boyle, Crows SANFL
Nathan Freeman, Crows SANFL
Matthew Wright, Crows SANFL
Isaya McKenzie, Crows SANFL

Break in case of COVID emergency: Every AFL club’s top-up players for 2022

The AFL has released the list of players that clubs have nominated as top-ups this season, as they aim to keep the season running under the AFL’s COVID-19 contingency plan.

www.theage.com.au

Brilliant planning by the club.

Now we just need to get Corey Lyons into the AFL team and we can lure Jarryd back!

 

[Mego Red]

I think the interesting question this off season with be "will we be aggressive with moving players on"?

Probably one of our ruckmen should be traded.

Probably one of the similar senior mids, and one of the tall defenders.

I'm not going to argue you'd get a fortune for them, but there might be some value in the list we can trade out.

 

[Vader]

I think the interesting question this off season with be "will we be aggressive with moving players on"?

Probably one of our ruckmen should be traded.

Probably one of the similar senior mids, and one of the tall defenders.

I'm not going to argue you'd get a fortune for them, but there might be some value in the list we can trade out.

We only have 2x ruckmen, plus TT who is primarily a KPF. ROB is our senior player, and Strachan signed a multi-year contract last year. There's not a snowball's chance in Hell that we'll be trading any of them, and neither should we.

If we could get a half-eaten packet of chips for Frampton, then I think we'd jump at it - but we won't, and delisting is his likely fate. I wouldn't be averse to trading McAsey or Worrell if someone made us a decent offer - but once again, both re-signed on 2-year deals last year, so it's highly unlikely that either will be traded. I doubt they'd attract many suitors anyway. That just leaves Butts & Murray, and only an idiot would suggest we willingly part with this pair.

That leaves the senior mids... Sloane is too old to attract interest, and the club won't be trading the team Captain. Mrouch failed to attract any interest whatsoever as a FA last year, and signed a multi-year contract on reduced terms as a result - he's not going anywhere either, based on the lack of suitors if nothing else. That leaves Laird & Keays. Both are young enough to attract interest, and I'm not averse to the idea of trading one (or both) of them - I just can't see it happening.

The "moving senior players on" phase has now concluded. Tex should retire this year, and Seed's concussion issues could see him do likewise - but that's it for the senior departures. Davis has been living on borrowed time for years, and should be gone at the end of this year - he's been around for an eternity, but with so few games played I can't call him a "senior player". We're now into the "weeding out the juniors" phase. We've brought in a ridiculous number of kids over the last few seasons, and it's now time to start deciding which of them will sink, and which will swim. ROC was the first of the juniors to be dispatched last year, and he definitely won't be the last.

 

[Mutineer]

I think the interesting question this off season with be "will we be aggressive with moving players on"?

Probably one of our ruckmen should be traded.

Probably one of the similar senior mids, and one of the tall defenders.

I'm not going to argue you'd get a fortune for them, but there might be some value in the list we can trade out.

Which one Reilly O'Brien or Keiran Strachan?

Surely you're not suggesting Riley Thilthorpe or Billy Frampton are Ruckmen going forward?

If Thilthorpe's future is as a Ruck we overpaid big time pick wise.

 

[Mutineer]

We only have 2x ruckmen, plus TT who is primarily a KPF. ROB is our senior player, and Strachan signed a multi-year contract last year. There's not a snowball's chance in Hell that we'll be trading any of them, and neither should we.

If we could get a half-eaten packet of chips for Frampton, then I think we'd jump at it - but we won't, and delisting is his likely fate. I wouldn't be averse to trading McAsey or Worrell if someone made us a decent offer - but once again, both re-signed on 2-year deals last year, so it's highly unlikely that either will be traded. I doubt they'd attract many suitors anyway. That just leaves Butts & Murray, and only an idiot would suggest we willingly part with this pair.

That leaves the senior mids... Sloane is too old to attract interest, and the club won't be trading the team Captain. Mrouch failed to attract any interest whatsoever as a FA last year, and signed a multi-year contract on reduced terms as a result - he's not going anywhere either, based on the lack of suitors if nothing else. That leaves Laird & Keays. Both are young enough to attract interest, and I'm not averse to the idea of trading one (or both) of them - I just can't see it happening.

The "moving senior players on" phase has now concluded. Tex should retire this year, and Seed's concussion issues could see him do likewise - but that's it for the senior departures. Davis has been living on borrowed time for years, and should be gone at the end of this year - he's been around for an eternity, but with so few games played I can't call him a "senior player". We're now into the "weeding out the juniors" phase. We've brought in a ridiculous number of kids over the last few seasons, and it's now time to start deciding which of them will sink, and which will swim. ROC was the first of the juniors to be dispatched last year, and he definitely won't be the last.

Did you watch yesterday's SANFL game vs Norwood?

Billy Frampton may well have a future as a KPD, once again he looked at home in defence and it might be a novel thing at the Crows but a KPD that can kick like Frampton might just make into a decent AFL player.

 

[Vader]

Did you watch yesterday's SANFL game vs Norwood?

Billy Frampton may well have a future as a KPD, once again he looked at home in defence and it might be a novel thing but a KPD that can kick like Frampton might just make into a decent AFL player.

No, I didn't watch it.

Frampton is much better as a KPD than a KPF, but we already knew that. My Grandmother has been dead for 5 years, and she's still a better KPF than Frampton. That's how low his bar was as a KPF - but as a KPD he's much better than that. He's still behind Murray & Butts. This is his 8th season in the AFL, and he still hasn't cemented a position in the best 22 - either for us, or (previously) for the Power Failures. How many clubs are going to jump at the opportunity to trade for a player with his (lack of) resume?

 

[Sanders]

No, I didn't watch it

Gosh

 

[Mutineer]

No, I didn't watch it.

Frampton is much better as a KPD than a KPF, but we already knew that. My Grandmother has been dead for 5 years, and she's still a better KPF than Frampton. That's how low his bar was as a KPF - but as a KPD he's much better than that. He's still behind Murray & Butts. This is his 8th season in the AFL, and he still hasn't cemented a position in the best 22 - either for us, or (previously) for the Power Failures. How many clubs are going to jump at the opportunity to trade for a player with his (lack of) resume?

Murray is a long way off a lock in that position just yet, a couple of ordinary showings from him at AFL level and Frampton continuing to shine in the SANFL that could change quickly especially if Murray has a couple of games like his Daniher game. Frampton's kicking will not be being missed by the coaching panel either. There's no reason why Frampton can't re-invent himself a la Liam Jones.

 

[GrommoT]

I think the interesting question this off season with be "will we be aggressive with moving players on"?

Probably one of our ruckmen should be traded.

Probably one of the similar senior mids, and one of the tall defenders.

I'm not going to argue you'd get a fortune for them, but there might be some value in the list we can trade out.

Reckon we're going to have to ... we'll need to make room for 3 draftees with the likelihood of early 1st/2nd round picks. Anyone we've had for a number of years and haven't done much ought to be nervous.

Which one Reilly O'Brien or Keiran Strachan?

Surely you're not suggesting Riley Thilthorpe or Billy Frampton are Ruckmen going forward?

If Thilthorpe's future is as a Ruck we overpaid big time pick wise.

What if Strachan allows to get Lemmey and one of the elite mids in the draft?

 

[Mutineer]

Reckon we're going to have to ... we'll need to make room for 3 draftees with the likelihood of early 1st/2nd round picks. Anyone we've had for a number of years and haven't done mucj should be nervous.


What if Strachan allows to get Lemmey and one of the elite mids in the draft?

Are you serious?

Strachan's value is not in the same stratosphere as those type of players.

 

[Vader]

Reckon we're going to have to ... we'll need to make room for 3 draftees with the likelihood of early 1st/2nd round picks. Anyone we've had for a number of years and haven't done much ought to be nervous.


What if Strachan allows to get Lemmey and one of the elite mids in the draft?

There's a fighting chance that the AFL will return list sizes to their pre-pandemic numbers. That would instantly create 2x additional positions on the senior list, without the need to trade/retire/delist anyone.

The AFL promised that this would happen for the 2022 season. They lied. However, there's no excuse for not doing it at the end of this year.

The implications of extra list positions should be obvious, when it comes to the need to delist existing players.

 

[Vader]

Are you serious?

Strachan's value is not in the same stratosphere as those type of players.

Obviously not, but he could be one piece in the puzzle which allows it to happen.

*** I am not in favour of trading Strachan, nor do I think there's any chance of it happening. Just pointing out that GrommoT isn't completely off the planet with his suggestion.

 

[GrommoT]

Are you serious?

Strachan's value is not in the same stratosphere as those type of players.

He's contracted - if he has a good season and a team just outside of the 8 needs a ruckman, maybe he could allow us to leverage our r2 pick (or 2023) into a mid r1 pick this year.

 

[Mutineer]

Obviously not, but he could be one piece in the puzzle which allows it to happen.

*** I am not in favour of trading Strachan, nor do I think there's any chance of it happening. Just pointing out that GrommoT isn't completely off the planet with his suggestion.

Yes he is, in what Universe does a 27 year old Ruckman that's hardly played any AFL get us into that kind of draft territory. You're dreaming.

Only way Strachan gets traded is if he wants out for more opportunities. Dominating the 197cm Norwood Ruck/Forward Harry Boyd and a couple of 190cm chop out rucks yesterday, c'mon.

 

[Mutineer]

He's contracted - if he has a good season and a team just outside of the 8 needs a ruckman, maybe he could allow us to leverage our r2 pick (or 2023) into a mid r1 pick this year.

You're dreaming honestly.

 

[Golumless]

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What if Strachan allows to get Lemmey and one of the elite mids in the draft?

There isn't too many players who are going to help us achieve that on our list. Not without us parting with our 2023 1st at any rate.

We should consider parting with it, we'll have a very good idea where our youth is at by the end of this year.

 

[Mutineer]

He's contracted - if he has a good season and a team just outside of the 8 needs a ruckman, maybe he could allow us to leverage our r2 pick (or 2023) into a mid r1 pick this year.

Mid 1st round pick isn't where draftees considered in your "elite" category are found if there's such a thing ....there were 4 draftees in the 2021 draft that possibly fell into your category Jason Horne-Francis, Nick Daicos, Sam Darcy and Finn Callaghan...they went 1,2,3,4.

 

[Mego Red]

Which one Reilly O'Brien or Keiran Strachan?

Surely you're not suggesting Riley Thilthorpe or Billy Frampton are Ruckmen going forward?

If Thilthorpe's future is as a Ruck we overpaid big time pick wise.

Me - I'm trading Reilly O'Brien.

Highest value and a big contract off your list - I think he gets you a pick from 18 to 22.

I'm grabbing a junior developing ruckman with high upside and a warm body to put on the rookie list - and playing Strachan, whio's clearly the best ruckman not currently leading an AFL team.

I'd also trade one of Laird, Crouch and Keays - I'd support whoever they got the best value for. Similar, one of McAsey and Murray should be traded. I'd keep Frampton on the list, as I think he's excellent tall depth if you have injuries but isn't really demanding development time in the first 18. I'd also be curious what value players like McAdam and Hamill would have in the market.

 

[Mutineer]

Me - I'm trading Reilly O'Brien.

Highest value and a big contract off your list - I think he gets you a pick from 18 to 22.

I'm grabbing a junior developing ruckman with high upside and a warm body to put on the rookie list - and playing Strachan, whio's clearly the best ruckman not currently leading an AFL team.

I'd also trade one of Laird, Crouch and Keays - I'd support whoever they got the best value for. Similar, one of McAsey and Murray should be traded. I'd keep Frampton on the list, as I think he's excellent tall depth if you have injuries but isn't really demanding development time in the first 18. I'd also be curious what value players like McAdam and Hamill would have in the market.

Thank christ you're not our list manager...

 

[Jirkago75]

Did you watch yesterday's SANFL game vs Norwood?

Billy Frampton may well have a future as a KPD, once again he looked at home in defence and it might be a novel thing at the Crows but a KPD that can kick like Frampton might just make into a decent AFL player.

Reckon we're going to have to ... we'll need to make room for 3 draftees with the likelihood of early 1st/2nd round picks. Anyone we've had for a number of years and haven't done much ought to be nervous.


What if Strachan allows to get Lemmey and one of the elite mids in the draft?

I agree with you, there is no use having Strahan in the list to play second fiddle. we aren’t even in final contention, so I’d trade him if we get an early second or trade up to a first with something else. I know it sounds stupid BUT ruckman are worth more as there aren’t many quality ones around . If we hold onto him for too long, his value will be non existent.
I’m our rebuild, we should extract every bit of value from players that aren’t good enough and or won’t be there in the long term. Good clubs do this, let hope we can

 

[Mego Red]

Thank christ you're not our list manager...

Why?

We're spending a lot on someone who is replaceable on our list and is potentially worth more to others. He's perfectly fine, but the player we would get with the trade assets ROB would bring us could be a lot more important to us. Persoinally, I'm worried that we might be overpaying him for where we're at and what we need - if we can get assets for him now then we should, and we should just go grab a ruckman when we're closer to contending again.

 

[Mego Red]

I agree with you, there is no use having Strahan in the list to play second fiddle. we aren’t even in final contention, so I’d trade him if we get an early second or trade up to a first with something else. I know it sounds stupid BUT ruckman are worth more as there aren’t many quality ones around . If we hold onto him for too long, his value will be non existent.
I’m our rebuild, we should extract every bit of value from players that aren’t good enough and or won’t be there in the long term. Good clubs do this, let hope we can

I agree with you about this - except with the value you think ruckmen have. There's always ruckmen in the market that are gettable, and sides only really need one ruckman and a couple of break-glass options.

 

[Pugsley]

All this talk of trading Laird. It won't happen. Nicksy and Rory go back to the 1sts at Scotch College.

 

[Mutineer]

Why?

We're spending a lot on someone who is replaceable on our list and is potentially worth more to others. He's perfectly fine, but the player we would get with the trade assets ROB would bring us could be a lot more important to us. Persoinally, I'm worried that we might be overpaying him for where we're at and what we need.

You know what kind of money ROB's on do you?

Put that play station away.

 

[dogs105]

Are you serious?

Strachan's value is not in the same stratosphere as those type of players.

Is ROB'S?