List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I agree with you over Rankine being Pick 5. Its just playstation trading to think it could be anything but.

I don't understand this clubs supporters want to find a player to hate. Some of the anti Keays rhetoric is kind of pathetic. The only issue he has is poor skills. But all of a sudden, people start smashing every aspect of his game to make him look like this pathetic player with no talent.

We all know he needs to work on his skills. Stick to that, no need to make up things just to inflate your perspective.

Keays similar style but huge upgrade on Holman for example

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yeah we're heavily into him. Cheers for that mate.

Is it long term to help replace Howe who is 33 yo ish ?

 

[LeftyLuke]

“Keays straight swapped for Rankine”

What the fk would the Suns want with a midfielder/forward with little talent, very poor skills and is a s**t decision maker?..

When they have a heap of talented midfielder/forwards in their side already and will be adding a couple more with all their good draft picks this year…

Id rather Rankine and Turner too.. so you’d have to think the Suns would as well!

Rankine will cost us pick 5.. I think many in here still hvent come to terms with that!

Not if we don't have pick 5. I'm pretty certain we will take that pick out of play and swap it for pick 12 and 19. They will have to take pick 12 if that's all we have. If they ask for pick 19 as well that will most likely be traded out as well for a player I hope. I think they should be happy to get 12 after the way they have carried on bad mouthing Rankine.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Not if we don't have pick 5. I'm pretty certain we will take that pick out of play and swap it for pick 12 and 19. They will have to take pick 12 if that's all we have. If they ask for pick 19 as well that will most likely be traded out as well for a player I hope. I think they should be happy to get 12 after the way they have carried on bad mouthing Rankine.

It wouldn't surprise me if we look to get extra picks this draft by trading some futures. We may end up keeping pick 5 though and trading our future first and do some pick swaps with gc using pick 23. We have some steak knife players too like a Crouch GC might want to bolster its experienced playing group. So for once we do have plenty of options.

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[rabidcrow]

Not if we don't have pick 5. I'm pretty certain we will take that pick out of play and swap it for pick 12 and 19. They will have to take pick 12 if that's all we have. If they ask for pick 19 as well that will most likely be traded out as well for a player I hope. I think they should be happy to get 12 after the way they have carried on bad mouthing Rankine.

If we were doing pick 12/19 for 5 why wouldn’t we just give 5 and get 25 back. Be pretty poor form to split the pick, deny GC a replacement high draft pick just to move 6 picks up the order


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[Bearded Clam]

Not if we don't have pick 5. I'm pretty certain we will take that pick out of play and swap it for pick 12 and 19. They will have to take pick 12 if that's all we have. If they ask for pick 19 as well that will most likely be traded out as well for a player I hope. I think they should be happy to get 12 after the way they have carried on bad mouthing Rankine.

12 and 19 for 5?..

Why?.. so we can run the risk of Gold Coast then asking for two first rounders for Rankine.. and rightfully so.

The way I see it the Rankine deal should be around the same as the Lever deal was..

Lever was offered $800k a year by the dees.. Rankine is being offered between $700-$900k a year (depending on who you believe in the media) by the crows.

Crows got two firsts (10 and 16?) for Lever.

So pick 5 on its own should be well enough.

But if we split pick 5 for 12 and 19 I could easily see GC asking for 12 and our 2023 1st..

and if this situation was reversed crows supporters would be demanding the same.

Its crazy how we, as supporters, think when our players leave we should get a shitload for them but when a player comes to us we shouldnt have to pay the same!.

Pick 5 is gone.. and so it should be for a 22 year old player who will most likely be an absolute gun for the club for the next decade.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It wouldn't surprise me if we look to get extra picks this draft by trading some futures. We may end up keeping pick 5 though and trading our future first and do some pick swaps with gc using pick 23. We have some steak knife players too like a Crouch GC might want to bolster its experienced playing group. So for once we do have plenty of options.

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It would surprise me..

Look at the list..

We are struggling to free up list spots as it is.. if we bring forward future draft picks we’ll be wasting them as we wont be able to even use them.

We also run the risk of simply losing them matching a bid on MM if one came earlier than the picks we’ve dragged into 2022 from 2023..

 

[spexau]

12 and 19 for 5?..

Why?.. so we can run the risk of Gold Coast then asking for two first rounders for Rankine.. and rightfully so.

The way I see it the Rankine deal should be around the same as the Lever deal was..

Lever was offered $800k a year by the dees.. Rankine is being offered between $700-$900k a year (depending on who you believe in the media) by the crows.

Crows got two firsts (10 and 16?) for Lever.

So pick 5 on its own should be well enough.

But if we split pick 5 for 12 and 19 I could easily see GC asking for 12 and our 2023 1st..

and if this situation was reversed crows supporters would be demanding the same.

Its crazy how we, as supporters, think when our players leave we should get a shitload for them but when a player comes to us we shouldnt have to pay the same!.

Pick 5 is gone.. and so it should be for a 22 year old player who will most likely be an absolute gun for the club for the next decade.

Lol this is every club's supporters. Trades need to be equitable but people's passion gets in the way of logic.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not if we don't have pick 5. I'm pretty certain we will take that pick out of play and swap it for pick 12 and 19. They will have to take pick 12 if that's all we have. If they ask for pick 19 as well that will most likely be traded out as well for a player I hope. I think they should be happy to get 12 after the way they have carried on bad mouthing Rankine.

Also..

Who swaps a top 5 pick for pick 12 and a second rounder?..

Has that ever happened before?

seems like a sweet deal for the club that gets pick 5..

 

[LeftyLuke]

Also..

Who swaps a top 5 pick for pick 12 and a second rounder?..

Has that ever happened before?

seems like a sweet deal for the club that gets pick 5..

You would only do it if you aren't taking 5 to the drsft which we aren't. Pick 12 and 19 are worth 2216 points and pick 5 is worth 1878 points so it's a pretty good trade for a team that's not going to the draft.

I don't think we will go to the draft this year and will trade in experience which we need. If we trade out pick 5 that gives us 12,19 and 23. Pick 12 gets used on Rankine. That leaves us with 19 and 23.

So we can possibly trade 19 and 23 for a better first round pick, say pick 10 and take that to the draft or alternatively use that on a quality experienced midfielder such as Hopper. Alternatively pick 19 gets the hopper trade done and we take 23 to the draft.

The way i see it is that we overpay with 5 for Rankine or control our own destiny with bringing in two experienced players which we need. We don't need more kids, we need experience around the 23-25 year old age group. I hear the usual comments that we need an elite mid through the draft but I think our midfield is looking pretty damn good with Laird, Berry, Soligo, Taylor, Schoenberg, Pedlar, Rankine?, Rachele?, Hopper?. I think a better ruck and another experienced KPD is more of a pressing need.

 

[arrowman]

Another piece of the Matt Crouch

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Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

trade puzzle:

Adelaide midfielder Matt Crouch weighing up trade request: AFL trade news

"I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy."

www.zerohanger.com

The Ballarat product has revealed a call is yet to be made, with discussions on his future continuous following exit meetings at the club earlier this week.

"As I've said consistently throughout the whole season I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy," Crouch told 10 News.

"That's a decision I've got to weigh up.

"We've spoken about that probably the last month, I've had conversations with Nicksy and Reidy (Justin Reid - Adelaide list manager) about that," he said of looking elsewhere should the club see him as a fringe asset.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Another piece of the Matt Crouch trade puzzle:

Adelaide midfielder Matt Crouch weighing up trade request: AFL trade news

"I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy."

www.zerohanger.com

The Ballarat product has revealed a call is yet to be made, with discussions on his future continuous following exit meetings at the club earlier this week.

"As I've said consistently throughout the whole season I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy," Crouch told 10 News.

"That's a decision I've got to weigh up.

"We've spoken about that probably the last month, I've had conversations with Nicksy and Reidy (Justin Reid - Adelaide list manager) about that," he said of looking elsewhere should the club see him as a fringe asset.

Surely Crouch has his answer after not getting picked for most of this year that he won't be getting picked in the AFL side next year.

 

[Ramify]

Isn't Dawson playing the same position with us that he played with Sydney?

He seems to want to be the quarterback who's starting chains of play from the backline, instead of our on one wing where you can get cold watching the ball on the other side of the ground.

Maybe I'm misremembering his Sydney time, but it seems like he's doing the same role.

Yeah mainly.I think he did a bit of both, but I'm sure I remember there being a vibe that he was after more midfield time and that this was part of our pitch to lure him home?

My bias is showing in that post as I really dont like the Roos philosophy of building/launching from defence, whilst sacrificing key attacking weapons to do so. I recognise what Wayne pointed out in that this is Nicks blueprint, that this maybe an appropriate early course(yr 1+2)considering our list profile and that this is tried, true and has worked in a positional sense for the Swans and to a degree Melbourne. The difference in our case is the lack of both stability and system down back. This far in and I dont see system unless system amounts to "every man attack the same ball then give it to Jordan cos he kicks good". It's Chaos back there most of the time.

Dawson will always be a gun regardless of position played. I just don't equate us to Sydney in any respect and as such feel he would prove to be a greater asset up field.
Either way, we are 4th year in now and if we are still relying on the quality of a player to plug holes,as opposed to settling players into long term positions/structures and drilling match winning systems into them then we are following the Swans blueprint in board magnet name only.

Oh, and I don't really care what Dawson wants. He'll play where I tell him and he'll like it . Besides, he could still play QB from the Wing. Just needs to start receiving on the Flank rather than deep in our back half.

 

[Vader]

You would only do it if you aren't taking 5 to the drsft which we aren't. Pick 12 and 19 are worth 2216 points and pick 5 is worth 1878 points so it's a pretty good trade for a team that's not going to the draft.

In 2019 Adelaide swapped pick 4 for pick 6 and GWS' 2020 1st round pick - which turned out to be #11.

So, if pick #4 = #6 + #11, then swapping #5 for #12 + #19 is a staggeringly bad deal.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Another piece of the Matt Crouch trade puzzle:

Adelaide midfielder Matt Crouch weighing up trade request: AFL trade news

"I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy."

www.zerohanger.com

The Ballarat product has revealed a call is yet to be made, with discussions on his future continuous following exit meetings at the club earlier this week.

"As I've said consistently throughout the whole season I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy," Crouch told 10 News.

"That's a decision I've got to weigh up.

"We've spoken about that probably the last month, I've had conversations with Nicksy and Reidy (Justin Reid - Adelaide list manager) about that," he said of looking elsewhere should the club see him as a fringe asset.

Sounds like he wants to play AFL… He’s been told that wont be happening at the crows in 2023 and so his manager has put the feelers out to all the other AFL clubs…

And no one’s interested.

There’s no “weighing up”.. there’s him realising the game has gone past his type of midfielder (slow, one dimensional crabs with no hurt factor and little to offer) and he’s desperately hoping someone else is dumb enough to give him another contract.

We shouldve delisted him last year but its a positive that the club has finally seen the light.

 

[Bearded Clam]

In 2019 Adelaide swapped pick 4 for pick 6 and GWS' 2020 1st round pick - which turned out to be #11.

So, if pick #4 = #6 + #11, then swapping #5 for #12 + #19 is a staggeringly bad deal.

Yep..

The only way I’d be swapping pick 5 is if pick 7, 8 or 9 is coming back plus that clubs 2023 1st.

Then I’d be offering that pick 7, 8 or 9 up to GS for Rankine and saying “give us one of your late seconds back please”..

Top 5 picks are solid gold and encrusted in diamonds.

 

[LeftyLuke]

12 and 19 for 5?..

Why?.. so we can run the risk of Gold Coast then asking for two first rounders for Rankine.. and rightfully so.

The way I see it the Rankine deal should be around the same as the Lever deal was..

Lever was offered $800k a year by the dees.. Rankine is being offered between $700-$900k a year (depending on who you believe in the media) by the crows.

Crows got two firsts (10 and 16?) for Lever.

So pick 5 on its own should be well enough.

But if we split pick 5 for 12 and 19 I could easily see GC asking for 12 and our 2023 1st..

and if this situation was reversed crows supporters would be demanding the same.

Its crazy how we, as supporters, think when our players leave we should get a shitload for them but when a player comes to us we shouldnt have to pay the same!.

Pick 5 is gone.. and so it should be for a 22 year old player who will most likely be an absolute gun for the club for the next decade.

Not the way Roo was talking. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he say recently that 5 was off the table and quoted pick 12 for a contracted CC. If GC really rated Rankine they would have matched our offer at at least offered him 700 for 5. I find it hard to stomach them asking for overs when they offered him 650 for 2 allegedly. Let's also remember that Lever put together a couple of seasons of quality games. Rankine has had about 10 games where he looked elite.

Pick 12-15 is fair for Rankine imo. We don't have a pick around there unless we trade a player out and use it with pick 23. If we don't do that we have to trade out pick 5. GC can demand all they want but if we hold firm they end up with nothing. All we have to do is restructure his deal to 1.2m for the first two years so no one can match it in the PSD. I'm sure Rankine won't mind mind this after they way they have treated him.

 

[Mutineer]

Another piece of the Matt Crouch trade puzzle:

Adelaide midfielder Matt Crouch weighing up trade request: AFL trade news

"I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy."

www.zerohanger.com

The Ballarat product has revealed a call is yet to be made, with discussions on his future continuous following exit meetings at the club earlier this week.

"As I've said consistently throughout the whole season I don't want to be playing SANFL footy, I want to be playing AFL footy," Crouch told 10 News.

"That's a decision I've got to weigh up.

"We've spoken about that probably the last month, I've had conversations with Nicksy and Reidy (Justin Reid - Adelaide list manager) about that," he said of looking elsewhere should the club see him as a fringe asset.

Zerohanger just rehashing what other media sources published previous....be good if they actually reported something new.

 

[crow2crow]

In 2019 Adelaide swapped pick 4 for pick 6 and GWS' 2020 1st round pick - which turned out to be #11.

So, if pick #4 = #6 + #11, then swapping #5 for #12 + #19 is a staggeringly bad deal.

agree with you on this one

 

[Gtowncrow]

Can I ask how Frampton went?

Darcy Moore MK II.

"Can't believe he's a chance to to play here now after I've left"

 

[rabidcrow]

Also..

Who swaps a top 5 pick for pick 12 and a second rounder?..

Has that ever happened before?

seems like a sweet deal for the club that gets pick 5..

Correct! And we need to take an average deal for 5 so we can screw over GC and benefit poor old Richmond - give them a top 5 pick on the cheap? No thanks

In all seriousness we may only take MM at this draft. Perhaps one more player. Would be surprised if we don’t take a tall (Keeler if available or one of many other SA talls that fall down the list if we don’t end up with 23 still)

Even trading Sholl, Macasey, Frampton, Rowe and Crouch only gives us 2 list spots assuming Strachan and Butts are upgraded and Rankine comes in - will stand corrected if I have stuffed this up. I guess if Seedsman retires and moves to rookie list there is another?


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[Mego Red]

In 2019 Adelaide swapped pick 4 for pick 6 and GWS' 2020 1st round pick - which turned out to be #11.

So, if pick #4 = #6 + #11, then swapping #5 for #12 + #19 is a staggeringly bad deal.

While I wouldn't necessarily do 5 for 12 and 19, I'm pretty sure that GWS deal is now considered a massive overpay by them.

I think pick 5 for 8 and 19 is closer to what you'd expect.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mick Godden on Kymbo & Rooch (29.8.22)

Adelaide FC SANFL coach Mick Godden joined Kymbo and Rooch after recording a big win in the SANFL Finals yesterday

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[Bob Neil]

In 2019 Adelaide swapped pick 4 for pick 6 and GWS' 2020 1st round pick - which turned out to be #11.

So, if pick #4 = #6 + #11, then swapping #5 for #12 + #19 is a staggeringly bad deal.

I can exclusively reveal (courtesy of my secret meeting with Binuk) that the true and correct formula for valuing and trading draft picks is set out by the 'Golden Ratio'. You simply take the number of the draft pick you wish to trade for (e.g. pick 10) and then apply the GR (~1.618) to find the next two draft picks (e.g. 16 and 26) which then, in aggregate, represent its equivalent value. This method is fully endorsed by Gil, the AFL Commission and Freemasons Victoria.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If correct ...and we've asked about a trade for Jordan Sweet ....does that raise the possibility a Club is chasing Strauchan

Would make sense, given his SANFL performances ....Callum Sinclair just retired from SYD