List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Scorpus]

If we want a midfield of pressure acts we may as well have a starting group of Keays, Berry, McHenry and Murphy

 

[JPetro83]

keep checking twitter updates from the club to see our delistings. im sure the players know so why not let the public know?
i am ready to riot of we keep Davis again...

 

[Mutineer]

keep checking twitter updates from the club to see our delistings. im sure the players know so why not let the public know?
i am ready to riot of we keep Davis again...

Well there is this?

 

[PoholkMe10]

keep checking twitter updates from the club to see our delistings. im sure the players know so why not let the public know?
i am ready to riot of we keep Davis again...

Probably waiting for bnf before announcing anything, but Davis would be the only one on the delist pile at the moment you'd think. Frampton, Rowe, Crouch, Sholl even Himmelberg potentially traded. Too many potentially leaving and coming in through the trade period to know how many delisting are actually required as well.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Probably waiting for bnf before announcing anything, but Davis would be the only one on the delist pile at the moment you'd think. Frampton, Rowe, Crouch, Sholl even Himmelberg potentially traded. Too many potentially leaving and coming in through the trade period to know how many delisting are actually required as well.

David should have been delisted 5 years ago. He deserves an award for staying on a list as long as he has.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Probably waiting for bnf before announcing anything, but Davis would be the only one on the delist pile at the moment you'd think. Frampton, Rowe, Crouch, Sholl even Himmelberg potentially traded. Too many potentially leaving and coming in through the trade period to know how many delisting are actually required as well.

Have we had it confirmed that a trade of himm, so soon after the club re-contracting him, is actually allowed?..

 

[maxlilly]

Well there is this?

Benny was able to afford to buy the ring after getting a new contract

 

[Vader]

Are we going to be younger next year?

Wouldn't have thought so... & doubt will be much in it.

Depends on what happens with Crouch & Seedsman. Brown is already gone - that's 11 years & 176 games experience gone. Crouch potentially adds 9 years & 125 games, and Seedsman 12 years & 132 games. Collectively, they're enough to ensure that our list will be younger & less experienced in 2023 than it was in 2022.

However, if we're comparing our 2023 "best 22" with the 2022 "best 22", then the 2023 unit should be older & more experienced - given that none of the senior players were in the "best 22" by the end of 2022. A lot will depend on what happens with Sloane, Smith & Walker, all of whom are rapidly approaching the end.

 

[Vader]

Have we had it confirmed that a trade of himm, so soon after the club re-contracting him, is actually allowed?..

It's allowed... there's just 0.000% chance of it happening.

 

[Sanders]

Berry attended 66% of CBA’s this year, Graham only 22%, and yet he still finishes with the highest pressure acts in the comp. (The stats you’ve used above includes all mids, you can select mid/fwds of which Graham is certainly top of the bunch)

Warranted this year Graham has apparently spent more time up forward, but even last year his CBA’s were only 26%.

Graham has the type of endurance where he’s able to affect pressure outside the contest (something we are sorely lacking), and link up in defensive/attacking chains.

I know some people have some preconceived ideas about Sam Berry and Jack Graham being similar players, but they are not.

Just head on over to the Richmond board and ask. They’ve described him being able to apply pressure in multiple areas of the ground, and is a crucial supporting link

The only real question IMO is whether we don’t have a crack at Graham because we believe Berry could become that sort of player. Does Berry have that endurance?

Don’t get me wrong I am a MASSIVE Berry fan, but he is purely inside mid at the moment, Graham is not.




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So you want to recruit someone into our midfield who isn’t even earning midfield minutes at his current club - that guy is going to be a mid saviour?

Feels like a full moon moment

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So you want to recruit someone into our midfield who isn’t even earning midfield minutes at his current club - that guy is going to be a mid saviour?

Feels like a full moon moment

AND .....you have to ask why? .....given the Midfield was RICH's weakest area this year .....Prestia & Cotchin out injured, Short in the midfield, but a terrible midfielder ....yet Graham can't get a gig ?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Depends on what happens with Crouch & Seedsman. Brown is already gone - that's 11 years & 176 games experience gone. Crouch potentially adds 9 years & 125 games, and Seedsman 12 years & 132 games. Collectively, they're enough to ensure that our list will be younger & less experienced in 2023 than it was in 2022.

However, if we're comparing our 2023 "best 22" with the 2022 "best 22", then the 2023 unit should be older & more experienced - given that none of the senior players were in the "best 22" by the end of 2022. A lot will depend on what happens with Sloane, Smith & Walker, all of whom are rapidly approaching the end.

I understand that this average age of our best 22 players will obviously go up, but clubs progress collectively as a playing unit. Having experienced/older players around the club helps set training standards, pass crucial knowledge on to younger players, and for them to have role models in general.

I’ve said it before that having Frampton, Crouch and Brown in the SANFL, and Himmelberg for periods, has no doubt accelerated the development of some players we’re expecting to get games in the seniors next year.

I think seeing the exits of Brown, Frampton and Crouch in particular will be huge loss in terms of the above. Again, it’s not a reason to keep them, but in a ‘whole-of-club’ sense to me it’s a concern our playing list is getting younger.


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[AFC979810]

Wouldn't it make sense just to take Bowes and his contract and Rankine?

Gold Coast get to keep pick 7. We don't lose Pick 5.

Surely we have enough cap space for it. And if Bowes doesn't want to come here - we agree to release him.

 

[crow2crow]

Norf and WCE are the only other lists around our mark. immediately in front of us on the table, Essendon and Hawks are far better lists.

Remember that whatever we have done this year results wise has been done with minimal injuries, it couldn't have got any better.

No thanks Hawthorn definitely worse

Essendon on par

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Inside the tense negotiations of the AFL trade period​

What is the etiquette when a club wants a player, do clubs engage in stonewalling tactics, and who are the better and worse operators to deal with across the negotiating table?

Former Port Adelaide, Hawthorn and St Kilda list manager Chris Pelchen stresses that the most important element of trade negotiations is understanding the methods of other clubs. And ultimately it is less about clubs than it is about people.

“More so than from club to club, it really comes down to the individual personality of the person you’re dealing with,” Pelchen says

While some clubs may have reputations, it’s really because of the person involved who sets the tone. It changes from coach to coach, and obviously coaches change over time.

“Inevitably you are going to have some who drive harder bargains than others, some who will start with ambitious claims, others who are very direct with how they talk with you and their best offer is their best offer.

“That’s why it’s important to get to know the person you’re dealing with and primarily it’s the coach, the list manager and the recruiting manager who will drive those conversations.”

Thankfully, according to Pelchen, the days of clubs trying to pull one over the opposition are just about gone.

There is a more holistic approach taken. And as one ex-list manager notes, the industry is a small one. If a club tries to dud another, those who feel they’ve been on the wrong end of the bargain will remember. With live trading on draft night, you never know when you might need to call in a favour.

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[mick500]

Frampton, Rowe, Crouch, Sholl even Himmelberg potentially traded.

Degoey not signing with Collingwood for 640k a year for 5 years cos of the good boy clause. We could do worse than having a crack at him.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Wouldn't it make sense just to take Bowes and his contract and Rankine?

Gold Coast get to keep pick 7. We don't lose Pick 5.

Surely we have enough cap space for it. And if Bowes doesn't want to come here - we agree to release him.

I want pick 5 and 7. Give GC pick 23 for Rankine or we take him to the PSD. No one is taking on 1.5m next year. Trade 7 to Richmond for 12 and 19. That leaves us with pick 5,12,19.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Don’t you just love it that all the media discussion around Geelong is ‘just how good’ their pay structure is, and that’s how they’re able to fit so many good players in, etc etc

Anyone else and it’s ‘tHeY aLwAys UnDeRpAy ThEiR pLaYeRs!!!!’




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[DJ75]

Don’t you just love it that all the media discussion around Geelong is ‘just how good’ their pay structure is, and that’s how they’re able to fit so many good players in, etc etc

Anyone else and it’s ‘tHeY aLwAys UnDeRpAy ThEiR pLaYeRs!!!!’




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Easy to fit all these players in when half their pay is done off the books.

 

[Jetafl]

I want pick 5 and 7. Give GC pick 23 for Rakine or we take him to the PSD. No one is taking on 1.5m next year. Trade 7 to Richmond for 12 and 19. That leaves us with pick 5,12,19.

We have to be reasonable and pick 23 will be 25 or north of is not reasonable for Rankine or realistic. That is akind to when we postured as a club we will accept pick 2 for B Crouch or we keep him (we all know how that went)

 

[LeftyLuke]

We have to be reasonable and pick 23 will be 25 or north of is not reasonable or realistic. That is akind to when we postured as a club we will accept pick 2 for B Crouch or we keep in (we all know how that went)

I think 23 is reasonable. We gave up 17 for Dawson and he is a far superior player and can play multiple pisitions. We hope Rankine will be a star but there is some risk with him.

 

[DaKids]

I think 23 is reasonable. We gave up 17 for Dawson and he is a far superior player and can play multiple pisitions. We hope Rankine will be a star but there is some risk with him.

The lad finished 10th in their club champ award with 4 less games played. Would be interested on a votes per game comparison but no idea how to do it.

Don’t think he’s much of a risk now he’s settled into his football.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think 23 is reasonable. We gave up 17 for Dawson and he is a far superior player and can play multiple pisitions. We hope Rankine will be a star but there is some risk with him.

Ha!

Seriously though, GC don't need more second round picks this year.

GC to the deal with Brisbane for their pick 15 for their suite of 2nd rd picks

23/1 for Rankine, 15, then hope we have a really good year!

 

[Jetafl]

I think 23 is reasonable. We gave up 17 for Dawson and he is a far superior player and can play multiple pisitions. We hope Rankine will be a star but there is some risk with him.

We came out of the Dawson trade on the plus side of the ledger that is for sure 100% agree with you there. However we will have to agree to disagree my friend with Izak as a pick of about 25 would be a steal for us. Izak is worth a 1st round for sure I'd say 8-14 range is reasonable and fair IMO. Anyone neutral in this I would think Izak is worth a first rounder at least. I don't see a great argument for a 2nd rounder mid 20's myself.

 

[LeftyLuke]

We came out of the Dawson trade on the plus side of the ledger that is for sure 100% agree with you there. However we will have to agree to disagree my friend with Izak as a pick of about 25 would be a steal for us. Izak is worth a 1st round for sure I'd say 8-14 range is reasonable and fair IMO. Anyone neutral in this I would think Izak is worth a first rounder at least. I don't see a great argument for a 2nd rounder mid 20's myself.

If you take his draft position out of the equation I can see a pick around 17-23 is fair. We also need to consider that gc are essentially pushing him out by lowballing his contract. If I had seen 2 full years of a top 5 b & f from Izak I would be happy to pay pick 10. That hasn't been the case.