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DesertRoo said:
I’m not entirely convinced the only reason Goater didn’t play more is because the hole he’d leave in the vfl team.
The lack of kpp depth left us so vulnerable to injury across the list.
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He may end up a great pick. I certainly won't be writing him off just yet.
But you don't really get ready to go players in the 20s. They usually take a few years to get going.
The 3 senior players we grab with our rookie list spots are much more likely to improve us next year. That's the hope anyways.
 
Outside the safety of the First round, the successful teams usually pick players with at least a standout elite trait, usually athletic related, and back their programs in to enhance their weaknesses. Geelong and Richmond have been masters at that in recent times.

We've had a history, particularly under Joyce and Scott, of playing safe and using those later picks on neat, solid footballers who don't really move the needle all that much.

At 23, I want the kid with the most upside. Following the Goater approach.
 
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buttox said:
He may end up a great pick. I certainly won't be writing him off just yet.
But you don't really get ready to go players in the 20s. They usually take a few years to get going.
The 3 senior players we grab with our rookie list spots are much more likely to improve us next year. That's the hope anyways.
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I certainly agree with you on that, I think some of our rookies will play a lot of more games next year compared to our picks.
 
DesertRoo said:
I certainly agree with you on that, I think some of our rookies will play a lot of more games next year compared to our picks.
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It really is now or never time.
If we don't improve next year the clarko gloss will wear off and we risk ending up a feeder club like gc used to be.
Our picks are really good. We will get some good young players in. But the big risk is over doing it and making our list profile too young for like the 5th year running.
Give me a rookie who pushes Mahoney out of the side please. That's how we improve.
 
Shinboner1 said:
I forgot we had jacko on the list.
God spots for the senior side will be so hard to lock down a spot for numbers 12-23 in the senior side.
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If we add Logue, Tucker and 3 more senior body's blokes like Jacko won't be thrown to the wolves too early like we have done the last few years. We would be able to give them time to develop in the twos. The club has really not been fair to our development players. We play 4 or5 of them every week. Which will never work out.
It's a great way to kill a young blokes confidence.
 
buttox said:
If we add Logue, Tucker and 3 more senior body's blokes like Jacko won't be thrown to the wolves too early like we have done the last few years. We would be able to give them time to develop in the twos. The club has really not been fair to our development players. We play 4 or5 of them every week. Which will never work out.
It's a great way to kill a young blokes confidence.
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did we'll in the seniors when he played.
I'd be keeping him playing every week if able.
 
buttox said:
We have enough development rucks already imo. Look what Hawthorne payed for meek this year. A third rounder and his development years are pretty much done.
I agree with kpfs though.
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If you are referring to Edwards Buttox, reckon he will be lucky to go again next season. Goldy 1 to 2 years tops, CCJ and X make up the 4. With 25 on the bench, it's likely that 2 rucks will very much be in vogue. There's room for another 200+, ideally 205, player on the list. Could be a cat b, or speculative pick. It's likely that only X and CCJ will be on our list in a couple years of our current crop
 
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If you are referring to Edwards Buttox, reckon he will be lucky to go again next season. Goldy 1 to 2 years tops, CCJ and X make up the 4. With 25 on the bench, it's likely that 2 rucks will very much be in vogue. There's room for another 200+, ideally 205, player on the list. Could be a cat b, or speculative pick. It's likely that only X and CCJ will be on our list in a couple years of our current crop
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Rucks are cheap at the trade table is the thing.
4 on the list currently is pushing 10% of the list. Goldy won't be pushed out of the team by anyone of the other 3. Better to grab a kpf like Larkey at later picks and just trade in the next Hickey or meek type for bugger all.
Those types are available every year for third round picks and realistically have similar output to guys like xerri. 4 years development wasted imo.
On the flipside we got Larkey for a 4th round pick and he would now net us a first rounder if he was to leave. His value is higher because kpfs are much harder to find.
 

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Shinboner1 said:
did we'll in the seniors when he played.
I'd be keeping him playing every week if able.
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He did really well for a rookie. No doubt.
The problem is we play 5-6 rookies every week.
1 in isolation is a good thing. 5-6 gives you 2 win seasons.
Players in most other clubs are not considered for selection in the ones if they don't get 30 touches in the vfl. Our threshold seems to be 20+ touches. Our depth is our problem. We need more competition for spots. Jacko is promising. But he would not have played yet at 90% of other clubs.
 
buttox said:
Rucks are cheap at the trade table is the thing.
4 on the list currently is pushing 10% of the list. Goldy won't be pushed out of the team by anyone of the other 3. Better to grab a kpf like Larkey at later picks and just trade in the next Hickey or meek type for bugger all.
Those types are available every year for third round picks and realistically have similar output to guys like xerri. 4 years development wasted imo.
On the flipside we got Larkey for a 4th round pick and he would now net us a first rounder if he was to leave. His value is higher because kpfs are much harder to find.
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Don't rucks generally command a 2nd rounder even if they arent that good?
 
Shinboner1 said:
Don't rucks generally command a 2nd rounder even if they arent that good?
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Not really they are pretty cheap.
Top 5 rucks in the league would get a good trade result.
Top 20-25 kpfs would get similar to those trade values.
The goal should be what Richmond did getting nank. He ends up 6th or 7th best rucks in the league and cost very little in picks and salary cap.
He losses the hit outs like 2 games more a season than the top 5 and costs about half as much.
Geelong made finals like 10 years running with hack rucks and a good sharking midfield. Sydney the same.
Both have good kpfs.
 
buttox said:
Not really they are pretty cheap.
Top 5 rucks in the league would get a good trade result.
Top 20-25 kpfs would get similar to those trade values.
The goal should be what Richmond did getting nank. He ends up 6th or 7th best rucks in the league and cost very little in picks and salary cap.
He losses the hit outs like 2 games more a season than the top 5 and costs about half as much.
Geelong made finals like 10 years running with hack rucks and a good sharking midfield. Sydney the same.
Both have good kpfs.
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Even then Grundy just went for pick 27, sure his contract is huge, but still considered a top 3 ruck for a long time.
 
I wouldn't mind trying to poach Ned Moyle from GC, he had a pretty good year, averaged around 40 hitouts this year in the vfl.
 
Masked Avenger said:
Outside the safety of the First round, the successful teams usually pick players with at least a standout elite trait, usually athletic related, and back their programs in to enhance their weaknesses. Geelong and Richmond have been masters at that in recent times.

We've had a history, particularly under Joyce and Scott, of playing safe and using those later picks on neat, solid footballers who don't really move the needle all that much.

At 23, I want the kid with the most upside. Following the Goater approach.
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I disagree. We definitely did with Dumont but we were forced to draft athletic flankers during compromised drafts. Players that couldn't find it but had "x-factor"

Garner, Harper, Wood, Walker. very athletic players.

McKenzie may have not been athletic but he had an elite peg.

Williams had speed.

Clarke and Hartung had elite endurance.

Hayden broke the vertical leap record.

We didn't play it safe with Ben Brown.

If anything, we got unlucky with a lot of our picks. Walker, Garner, EVW and Harper basically fell apart - hard to find more unlucky footballers than those 4. Curran never got on the field. Hayden and Wood spent more time off the field than on it. Watson, Durdin, Nielson all had reconstruction surgeries in their first year.
 
How Jack Ziebell given 2 years encapsulates our performances.
 
Mr Lloyd Christmas said:
How Jack Ziebell given 2 years encapsulates our performances.
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He got two because we blinked and went against our one year for veterans rule and offered Tarrant two. We should have known Tarrant was gone anyway and stuck to our guns.
 
The Filth Wizard said:
He got two because we blinked and went against our one year for veterans rule and offered Tarrant two. We should have known Tarrant was gone anyway and stuck to our guns.
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Yes it wasn’t like anyone was going to offer him two years
 
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