List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[SaintsSeptember]

Looks a bit seedy still. Someone get him a barocca.

Was still unconscious. He passed out, got delisted, the manager got the Saints to sign him up, they shoved a jumper on him, then stood him up and slapped his face until he woke up.
He's going " huh wha? "

 

[MordySaint]

But what makes the coaches not drop underperforming players regardless of previous conversations?

LACK OF WILL.

Our best coach of the 21st century only became so when he decided, unapologetically, to do things his own way. He dropped Dal and Milne and we barely lost a game for the next three years.

it's become pretty obvious that the power balance between the players and the coaches has changed. It looks to me that the players now have the upper hand on the coaches.

I would say the only tool the coaches now have is the ability to put drop the players to the seconds.

This tool isn't being used at the moment by our coaching staff.

 

[Klaatu]

Don't think Owens and NWM missed too many games where they were available for selection. So the games probably would have gone to Byrnes.

But there's a whole selection integrity piece missing from the above analysis. Wood has clearly worked his backside off and it shows in his performance.

That part there highlights what you can achieve if you work your backside off & we have a few who need too & Wood is a terrific player & clubman to have around.

 

[Max the great]

At least 6 list spots to fill, right?
We get an experienced, young tall defender that doesn't cost draft picks or players.
He adds depth and pressure for spots.

Who are we missing out on by signing him? Really not getting why this upsets some people so much.

How do you claim ignorance as to why it is upsetting certain people when they have stated there reasons repeatedly. If you can't comprehend there reasons then it's on you.

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[Klaatu]

it's become pretty obvious that the power balance between the players and the coaches has changed. It looks to me that the players now have the upper hand on the coaches.

I would say the only tool the coaches now have is the ability to put drop the players to the seconds.

This tool isn't being used at the moment by our coaching staff.

Didn't Higgins & Butler get dropped

 

[The Punter]

FWIW, Cordy's terms are such that the Doggies are not receiving any FA compo.

 

[stavro#4]

I like him. He sounds like me.

Doesn’t surprise me at all, I’m just glad that at last someone has gone bang here‘s the truth and here’s how I think you fix it.

I get wanting to bring in a big, game changing name and having something to go 'wow' at by the end of trade period.

But fans also need to accept we can't bring in those big names, take our top picks to the draft while also keeping the players we want to keep. Something needs to give there.

So we've improved an area of need without impacting our ability to draft, which we have forecast is a want this year. Thats a win for us and moves us forward, even if it is a small step.

Cordy taking a KPD role on our list doesn’t make us a better football club. It doesn’t give us more wins. Because when everyone is fit - he won’t play.

So - yes, he fills a need

No, we aren’t a better side. We haven’t improved and thus are treading water whilst the sides we want to catch are all improving

That is the issue posters and fans have. So, back to my original point. They need to work something out from here that makes us better.

Mitchell in

Clark out for pick 8

Long out and the pick combined with other picks upgraded to a top 20 pick

Would be something I could personally get behind inconjunction with Cordy.

I’d move on Clark as his mindset isn’t right for what we want to achieve.

I’d even consider Spider-Man from Melbourne at this point as forward/ruck support.

That would move the needle enough for me to give Walsh and co 12 months to bring in a big gun in Anderson etc

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I think Mitchell would be worth a punt, especially if we only have to give up a third round pick for him. Not a perfect fit by any means but he would improve our list overall.

Then trade Long for pick 25 or 32, enables us to hit the draft hard again.

25 & 28 gives us points to the value of pick 10.

28 & 32 = pick 13

Based on Walsh's comments this morning this or some variety (using 2023 picks) to get into the teens is the plan.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Because the bottom out is so hard to sell now, especially after 12 years of embarrassing ourselves. Imagine losing all our sponsors and memberships again. We'd need to beg the AFL for assistance again and make members believe that 5 years on the bottom of the ladder will be better this time. We'd be better to hire a gun recruiter and draft from finals. Richmond have been great at drafting from that position. A decent list architect would have a strong plan. We had Lethlean who was a media manager with some inappropriate work practices.

We’ve picked up some really nice pieces deep in the draft, but we’ve wasted 5 first round picks trying to draft midfielders in the late teens. Now we have to spend the equivalent picks to trade for the talent we didn’t find.

When we were shit we kept filling list spots with free talent and it never worked out. Far better to take a look at as many kids as you can.


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[The_Steadier]

I think Mitchell would be worth a punt, especially if we only have to give up a third round pick for him. Not a perfect fit by any means but he would improve our list overall.

Then trade Long for pick 25 or 32, enables us to hit the draft hard again.

In his brownlow year he was far more than just an accumulator.
He racked up possies, but was also very damaging too- fully deserved the brownlow that year, he was utterly dominant.

Of course he's a bit older now and had a bad leg break since then.
Also didn't play centre square midfield for most of this year, played like a fish out of water up fwd this year.

If he came cheap, I'd back him in to produce 80% of his brownlow form for the next 3 years.

Would be worth doing if we think steele could go to a whole new level as a 100% attacking petracca-type mid.

I reckon a midfield of:
steele(on full attack mode)
mitchell
crouch
gresh/sincs

matches up very favourably against the best midfields in the comp like the dees, dogs etc.

Most of our best players will be 27+ next year:
Steele, sincs, marshall = 27.

3 years of 80% brownlow level tom mitchell gives us a big boost at winning a flag while the likes of steele, sincs, marshall are still in their prime.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We’ve picked up some really nice pieces deep in the draft, but we’ve wasted 5 first round picks trying to draft midfielders in the late teens. Now we have to spend the equivalent picks to trade for the talent we didn’t find.

When we were s**t we kept filling list spots with free talent and it never worked out. Far better to take a look at as many kids as you can.


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Especially with the impending entry of a Tassie team & another period of heavily compromised drafts.

Load up on kids now has to be the plan.

 

[Highlander35]

I wonder who gets our cursed number 10 jersey

 

[Max the great]

It's the old story when the coaching is a bit one-dimensional, the coaching panel think their only option is pick the experienced player, and not take a risk in blooding new talent. I fear old Ratts, like his predecessor is anti-risk.

I agree he tends to take the safe option. But credit where it is due he did give a lot of games to our youth this season.

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[bergholt]

Don't think Owens and NWM missed too many games where they were available for selection. So the games probably would have gone to Byrnes.

But there's a whole selection integrity piece missing from the above analysis. Wood has clearly worked his backside off and it shows in his performance.

No totally, he deserved selection every game he played, I was impressed by his performances this year. I'm just saying that if we didn't have him then we'd be further progressed on understanding Connolly and Byrnes (say) and would have better draft picks to show for it.

 

[stavro#4]

In his brownlow year he was far more than just an accumulator.
He racked up possies, but was also very damaging too- fully deserved the brownlow that year, he was utterly dominant.

Of course he's a bit older now and had a bad leg break since then.
Also didn't play centre square midfield for most of this year, played like a fish out of water up fwd this year.

If he came cheap, I'd back him in to produce 80% of his brownlow form for the next 3 years.

Would be worth doing if we think steele could go to a whole new level as a 100% attacking petracca-type mid.

I reckon a midfield of:
steele(on full attack mode)
mitchell
crouch
gresh/sincs

matches up very favourably against the best midfields in the comp like the dees, dogs etc.

Most of our best players will be 27+ next year:
Steele, sincs, marshall = 27.

3 years of 80% brownlow level tom mitchell gives us a big boost at winning a flag while the likes of steele, sincs, marshall are still in their prime.

The one thing that stood out when we played the good midfields. Was that they pumped us with their quality around the ball.

Mitchell Crouch Steele is as good in the coal face as anything out there.

It’s also legitimately the last roll of the dice to make Hill work.

It also puts some serious mentors in place for Owens and Windhager +pick 9.

That’s a huge selling point to me.

 

[bergholt]

FWIW, Cordy's terms are such that the Doggies are not receiving any FA compo.

I thought that was because they picked up Jones as an FA so they cancel out?

 

[jwikked]

I wonder who gets our cursed number 10 jersey

Let’s just retire it for now.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

25 & 28 gives us points to the value of pick 10.

28 & 32 = pick 13

Based on Walsh's comments this morning this or some variety (using 2023 picks) to get into the teens is the plan.

Nice mathematics, but is anyone going to swap 28 and 32 for 13?
Points are only useful when you need points.

 

[Verdun]

Trade Radio doing a best 22 for the Saints.

cordy, coffield, sinclair howard, webster, hill, crouch, mckenzie, wilkie, wood, membrey, battle, butler, higgens, king, marshall, steele, gresham, windhager, wm, owens., clark..missed two


left out ross, jones and campbell, billings

they reckon king, sinclair, potentially gresham a grade.

Questioning where Marshall and King, will be at next year if they improve so will Saints. Needing 65 from King to improve and reliance is unhealthy according to Cooney

 

[RobbieMuir]

Gringo stated we have guaranteed Cordy a spot. Don't know how he comes to that conclusion, must be privvy to the trading conversations.

My nephew plays for the Dogs so I have watched all of the Dogs games over the past 8 years (the majority of those on TV admittedly), hence I have seen all of Cordy’s games.

He mainly plays on the opposition’s second tall, but sometimes plays on the number one forward. He was generally a best 22 player for them throughout that time in a very good team.

He is certainly no star player, but he plays with absolute desperation and intensity, more so than a lot of the guys currently on our list. He has an unco running and kicking style that makes him look a bit clumsy but his skills are nevertheless effective.

He is a very good spoiler and is quite agile, but generally doesn’t take many intercept marks. He is a bit like a poor man’s Wilkie due to his defensive mindset and spoiling ability, just a bit taller.

He is a good pickup that costs nothing in draft picks and is a significant upgrade on Joyce.

He is never going to dominate a game, but I think Saints fans will be impressed with his desperation and will-to-win each contest. He may not be a ‘best 22’ player for us, but there will no doubt be injuries and he will get plenty of games over the next three years and should prove to be a canny pickup.

 

[bergholt]

The one thing that stood out when we played the good midfields. Was that they pumped us with their quality around the ball.

Mitchell Crouch Steele is as good in the coal face as anything out there.

It’s also legitimately the last roll of the dice to make Hill work.

It also puts some serious mentors in place for Owens and Windhager +pick 9.

That’s a huge selling point to me.

Yeah agreed. I'd take him but pick 28 is the absolute most I'd pay, and honestly I'm not sure we can even afford that considering we need youth. Maybe if we get 25 or 32 for Long then it works.

 

[WRFL Indentity]

So.....

Long for 32
Clark & Future 3rd for 8

Future 2nd for Mitchell
28 & 32 for 16

Hit draft with 8,9 & 16

2023 we go balls in on Anderson?

 

[The Punter]

I thought that was because they picked up Jones as an FA so they cancel out?

Quite possibly, but I think that's a one subtract the other situation, so at the very least, it looks like Cordy is on a similar deal to the one Liam Jones just recieved.

 

[bergholt]

Quite possibly, but I think that's a one subtract the other situation, so at the very least, it looks like Cordy is on a similar deal to the one Liam Jones just recieved.

Yeah would have thought he's pretty cheap one way or the other

 

[Armoooo]

I’d be asking gc what it would take to change the sign around his neck from a 7 to a 9. The deal will still get done to shift him and they score another win.

Agree with this.

We want pick 25 for Long, they're offering pick 36... perhaps a compromise could be Long and 9 for 7 and 31