List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[g_TRAIN]

I doubt we are looking to get any more players this trade period listening to Walsh just now

He essentially said we're going to target the draft for the next 3 years

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I’d be asking gc what it would take to change the sign around his neck from a 7 to a 9. The deal will still get done to shift him and they score another win.

I want both

 

[Yawkey way]

Neither Adelaide club looks like having a first rounder next year.

And if he is as good as what we believe. We will want 2.

I personally don’t care how talented Clark is if the work ethic to meet it isn’t there.

I’m still not buying that work ethic line and clubs find picks every year, who knows maybe we’ll get Bergman or similar and more. No need at all to be trading young talent which we‘re short off with next years first just sitting there.

 

[gringo2011]

But just as a thought experiment, what if we hadn't brought Wood in and so we were slightly worse this year, lost one more game. We would have finished two positions lower on the ladder, instead of picks 9, 28, 47, 85 we'd have 7, 25, 45, 83. And instead of Wood playing 19 games those 19 games would have been spread between Connolly and Nas and Byrnes and Owens, so we'd have more info about all of them, more development there.

Which of those two is the better outcome?

Considering we missed finals anyway, probably better to not have Wood. I know that's not how the decision making can work but in hindsight I'm not sure what we gained.

It's how list management is meant to operate. Holding patterns that are not quite good enough are easy to achieve but to break through we need some investment in youth. Sometimes long injury lists are a god send. Port and Collingwood are examples of clubs that found players through necessity when they were smashed by injury. Sometimes you have to be rave and start to roll the dice on the guys with more improvement in them.

Ratts actually changed a lot up with Clark, Coffield, Paton and Wilkie as the mainstays of defence when they were all very inexperienced. It was brave but since he's reverted to safety first and gone backwards.

 

[gringo2011]

Honestly have no issues at all with getting Tom Mitchell if it costs us nothing much. It puts pressure on our midfield (including Mitchell) to perform, because spots will be limited. I think Windhager/Owens can both play forward rotating through the middle. Having Mitchell also allows us to play Gresh forward more which we need and allow Steele to rest forward which he didn't do this year at all.

It would be better to take an old guy knowing that he'll be going out as the next crop start to demand more game time. Another prime mid probably gets us into finals and looks like momentum which builds desirability and attracts free agents and want-aways.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I suggest you read the proposition. We are hypothetically suggesting 3 top 20 picks.

With Mitchell on top.

? I'm confused. Reading is not my strong suit.

Basically I want to tank for a few years and get top talent then go hard. No one on the board or admin would go for it cos it's not good for business, but I'd find that much more enjoyable as a supporter than to middle for another 10 years

 

[Hubnester]

How do you claim ignorance as to why it is upsetting certain people when they have stated there reasons repeatedly. If you can't comprehend there reasons then it's on you.

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I mean beyond the mental gymnastics to criticise the club at every opportunity. Like perhaps by addressing any of the points I made in a rational manner.

 

[stavro#4]

I’m still not buying that work ethic line and clubs find picks every year, who knows maybe we’ll get Bergman or similar and more. No need at all to be trading young talent which we‘re short off with next years first just sitting there.

That’s the call the club needs to make.

I don’t care too much about players anymore. I just want to win games.

Maybe I’ll learn to love them like I did Harves and Rooey and Lenny when they achieve a similar level of success.

Even on personal levels. Haven’t had a brownlow medalist since 98. Coleman since 05’

Lack of All Australians since the granny years.

Not even a rising star winner.

It’s ****ing bleak and we argue the merits of keeping players who have achieved sweet **** all.

 

[stavro#4]

? I'm confused. Reading is not my strong suit.

Basically I want to tank for a few years and get top talent then go hard. No one on the board or admin would go for it cos it's not good for business, but I'd find that much more enjoyable as a supporter than to middle for another 10 years

1 top 10 pick a year for a few years isn’t going to change the landscape is it?

Even if we land a star. We lose a star in Steele. Etc etc.

The hypothetical proposition put both feet in the current and future camps.

 

[gringo2011]

I remember what happened the last time we brought on a bloke that was obsessed with 3 top 20 picks per draft

You don't get them without giving up overs. To me the draft positions aren't everything, just use what you have well.

Look at Nathan O'Driscoll. Cost pick 27, the pick after Allison. Has meant that they can move Acres on so he moves into a wing. Looks like he'll be a gun. Sonsie pick 28 and looks better than most of the top 10 in his draft already.

Just get a good recruiter and let him pick with what he's got.

 

[St Significant]

? I'm confused. Reading is not my strong suit.

Basically I want to tank for a few years and get top talent then go hard. No one on the board or admin would go for it cos it's not good for business, but I'd find that much more enjoyable as a supporter than to middle for another 10 years

We did that 8 years ago and where did it get us? 3 top 20 picks in 2013 and 2 first round picks in 2014 (including the prized 1st pick). This was supposed to set us up for a tilt at the flag. All we have to show for it today is Jack Billings and no Premiership cup!

 

[Yawkey way]

That’s the call the club needs to make.

I don’t care too much about players anymore. I just want to win games.

Maybe I’ll learn to love them like I did Harves and Rooey and Lenny when they achieve a similar level of success.

Even on personal levels. Haven’t had a brownlow medalist since 98. Coleman since 05’

Lack of All Australians since the granny years.

Not even a rising star winner.

It’s ******* bleak and we argue the merits of keeping players who have achieved sweet * all.

That’s true I just can’t stand to see the sort of talent we need heading out the door. If he does get traded and the pick turns into someone like Humphrey well it will be all aboard. It’s all about the club or should be when you’ve had as little success as we have but perversely it’s the lack of success that causes us to fixate on individuals Imo.

 

[gringo2011]

That’s the call the club needs to make.

I don’t care too much about players anymore. I just want to win games.

Maybe I’ll learn to love them like I did Harves and Rooey and Lenny when they achieve a similar level of success.

Even on personal levels. Haven’t had a brownlow medalist since 98. Coleman since 05’

Lack of All Australians since the granny years.

Not even a rising star winner.

It’s ******* bleak and we argue the merits of keeping players who have achieved sweet * all.

I reckon that lack of love for our players is because they seem fragile, don't turn up at crucial times and they are mostly very boring to watch. King and Sincs the exception but you couldn't get a more beige list or a club with less pizzazz. We are irrelevant but I'm not sure how you turn that around. It's like we've been downing handfuls of Mogadons. The whole place seems half asleep.
Hopefully Walsh will throw some firecrackers through the windows and get the campaigners going.

 

[bergholt]

We did that 8 years ago and where did it get us? 3 top 20 picks in 2013 and 2 first round picks in 2014 (including the prized 1st pick). This was supposed to set us up for a tilt at the flag. All we have to show for it today is Jack Billings and no Premiership cup!

Just because it was poorly executed doesn't necessarily mean it was the wrong strategy

 

[St Significant]

You don't get them without giving up overs. To me the draft positions aren't everything, just use what you have well.

Look at Nathan O'Driscoll. Cost pick 27, the pick after Allison. Has meant that they can move Acres on so he moves into a wing. Looks like he'll be a gun. Sonsie pick 28 and looks better than most of the top 10 in his draft already.

Just get a good recruiter and let him pick with what he's got.

If you had gun recruiters like Geelong and Sydney have then you would have faith that you can land very good players even with 2nd round picks.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Because the bottom out is so hard to sell now, especially after 12 years of embarrassing ourselves. Imagine losing all our sponsors and memberships again. We'd need to beg the AFL for assistance again and make members believe that 5 years on the bottom of the ladder will be better this time. We'd be better to hire a gun recruiter and draft from finals. Richmond have been great at drafting from that position. A decent list architect would have a strong plan. We had Lethlean who was a media manager with some inappropriate work practices.

Drafting from finals is a good idea. Especially since playing finals entices good opposition players to get traded to us and also boosts the currency of our players so we can trade them out for more. Which lets us keep topping up from finals. Eg. Play finals, make Highmore look like an all Australian, trade him for a first rounder.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

I like him. He sounds like me.

Time to change the profile picture

 

[phantom13]

I hope everyone that banged on about wanting a big KPD is happy, you get Cordy FFS. Great he definitely improves us.

 

[gringo2011]

We’ve picked up some really nice pieces deep in the draft, but we’ve wasted 5 first round picks trying to draft midfielders in the late teens. Now we have to spend the equivalent picks to trade for the talent we didn’t find.

When we were s**t we kept filling list spots with free talent and it never worked out. Far better to take a look at as many kids as you can.


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You've still got enough clout to attract two potential superstar mids to you. We are at a point where no-one wants to come and because we haven't drafted well there isn't the foundation there to start adding to it through high priced trades which sits you out of drafts.

 

[St Significant]

Just because it was poorly executed doesn't necessarily mean it was the wrong strategy

Sure it was a sound strategy but led by incompetent administrators at the time who made critical errors putting us in the position we are in today.

 

[bergholt]

Sure it was a sound strategy but led by incompetent administrators at the time who made critical errors putting us in the position we are in today.

Yeah totally, but how does it help us to dwell on that? If we have incompetent administrators we're ****ed no matter what we do.

 

[Senor Ding Dong]

We did that 8 years ago and where did it get us? 3 top 20 picks in 2013 and 2 first round picks in 2014 (including the prized 1st pick). This was supposed to set us up for a tilt at the flag. All we have to show for it today is Jack Billings and no Premiership cup!

yep, what a debacle
2013 - 3 picks in the top 20 (including pick 3) + billy longer a top 10 pick from only 2 years earlier
2014 - 3 picks in the top 22 (including pick 4)

And now Dmac and Billings is all that we have to show from that.

I would question how much of this is down to poor drafting, and how much is due to poor development. Unfortunately I suspect Billings Dunstan and Acres in particular would have been much different players had they been drafted elsewhere

 

[Klaatu]

That’s the call the club needs to make.

I don’t care too much about players anymore. I just want to win games.

Maybe I’ll learn to love them like I did Harves and Rooey and Lenny when they achieve a similar level of success.

Even on personal levels. Haven’t had a brownlow medalist since 98. Coleman since 05’

Lack of All Australians since the granny years.

Not even a rising star winner.

It’s ******* bleak and we argue the merits of keeping players who have achieved sweet * all.

Totally agree i barrack for the jumper and club players are irrelevant in the scheme of it winning games & respect in the comp is the way to go, players come and go but the club will always stay.

 

[gringo2011]

Prestia has been integral to all the good at Richmond since he got there.

Don’t fool yourself into believing otherwise.

King is the only player with superstar potential on our list.

I'm not down playing his impact, he was certainly part of it. But after we beat them they changed their game plan and created the modern run and gun chaos game plan which didn't need 22 super skilful players. He looked at what he had, not what he didn't have. Players bought in and sacrificed their games and lots of other factors too but a big part of their improvement came from accepting that the list had limitations but working around it.

 

[The_Steadier]

? I'm confused. Reading is not my strong suit.

Basically I want to tank for a few years and get top talent then go hard. No one on the board or admin would go for it cos it's not good for business, but I'd find that much more enjoyable as a supporter than to middle for another 10 years

If we tanked for the next 3 years, we'd be starting the 2026 season:

*having made finals once in 15 years.

*stuff all members, truly embarrassing, NRL level crowd numbers.

* circa 15-20 million dollars in debt.

*RSEA centre relocated to Hobart, and a new name: the Tasmanian DevilSaints.