List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[gringo2011]

The weirdest part about the Pelchen era was the 2012 draft where we traded our two first round picks for Tom Lee and Hickey

In general though I think the 3 top 20 strategy was sound, we just fcuked the picks up. Melbourne did something similar 2013-2015 but they nailed enough picks to get their core going, then added guys like May and Lever later on. That's after they already fcuked up their earlier rebuild from 08-11 of course.

Poor recruiters on top of choosing to plant a crop in the middle of a drought. We decided to rebuild in a patch where GC and GWS took masses of first round picks out of the pool. 2012 was a great top 10 then a shit draft. One of the worst ever and we sold players to get into it then traded out as far from the good bit as possible. The plan wasn't horrible in another draft, but they should have known that the draft was shit and that having more skin in it wasn't a good thing.

 

[botts]

“Put time into a kid”: Lloyd criticises St Kilda’s free agent signing

“I was surprised by it.”

www.sen.com.au

Lol..still salty from not being allowed to assist King.

You can put time into the kids but they arnt ready. Sometimes throwing them
In the deep end can be detrimental to there development

 

[gringo2011]

Playing Hayes in defence would be robbing Peter to pay Paul

We brought him in as a key forward who can pinch hit in the ruck and we have a gaping hole there

That suggestion sounds a lot worse than playing Cordy

I'm saying that we don't need an emergency third tall forward. We could find something on the list already for that and if Howard goes down we probably end up having to play a kid like Adams/Heath or move a forward up. Anyway I still think he's been brought in as a best 22 player not depth anyway.

 

[gringo2011]

Feel bad for Cordy. Social media is absolute filth these days, he can't even check his new clubs Instagram announcement without seeing every single comment complaining or saying something horrible about the guy. No good

He was copping it at the Dogs, he's probably used to it.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'm aware we got picks back my point was we traded ourselves out of the top end of that draft for some very speculative mature agers. Granted the picks after ours are mostly trash but trading in Hickey when we could have just drafted Grundy was a huge clanger even at the time. Could have kept BJ and drafted a generational ruckman who'd still be playing for us now.

When we traded out of that draft, the thought that Grundy would still be available was fanciful at best.

No way the club trades for Hickey if they thought there was a chance that Grundy gets through to pick 11 (let alone 17).

 

[Bushy70]

We’ve had a meeting with a former top 10 pick.
More Invalid Stout than Champagne though.

Cadyn Beetham?

 

[George]

But just as a thought experiment, what if we hadn't brought Wood in and so we were slightly worse this year, lost one more game. We would have finished two positions lower on the ladder, instead of picks 9, 28, 47, 85 we'd have 7, 25, 45, 83. And instead of Wood playing 19 games those 19 games would have been spread between Connolly and Nas and Byrnes and Owens, so we'd have more info about all of them, more development there.

Which of those two is the better outcome?

Considering we missed finals anyway, probably better to not have Wood. I know that's not how the decision making can work but in hindsight I'm not sure what we gained.

None of what you've said is guaranteed, all hypothetical. Wood wasn't taking anyone else's place in the side and performed well for a majority of the year.

 

[gringo2011]

We paid through the arse to get the supposed best wingman in the comp, then go plonk him on the back flank to get a kick cause we can't work out how to use him properly… then stick a DFA from north on the wing to amass 15 touches a game and people seem happy.

You'd think he was Peter Matera.

FMD.

He had a good year but he's not moving us forward. Too good to drop, not good enough to take us forward. It's sort of like our list now. Too old for masses of improvement because we traded in mature GOPs and ignored the draft, now we are selling the draft as the way forward. We still don't have an actual plan and seem to make it up as we go by the week.

I think this one is more likely to work or at least buys us some time at least. Gives them time to justify signing Ratts up before we had to.

 

[Nutsngum]

We still don't have an actual plan and seem to make it up as we go by the week.

I would have said the plan to shore up the middle age bracket with free agency and use our actual draft position to get our under 22 demographic in better shape was fairly obvious.

 

[Premium]

Heard he’s really taken a few young players under his wing.

Sharman initially, Nasiah.

Volunteers to coach the aflw side too in his time off

By all accounts Mason Wood step up a level when he moved to St Kilda , realized it was his last roll of the dice and has given it everything, becoming the best endurance runner at the club and does all the hard work for a wingman - plugging holes in defense and even hitting the scoreboard and is capable in the air.

He might not even play much next year , who knows but he has shown he can be more than useful and if only used as depth is more than worth having on the list.

 

[bergholt]

“Put time into a kid”: Lloyd criticises St Kilda’s free agent signing

“I was surprised by it.”

www.sen.com.au

Lol..still salty from not being allowed to assist King.

Hm if Lloyd's saying it's a bad idea then I'm now strongly in favour of this signing

 

[Max the great]

Surely Sir Leonard will be able to improve our midfield regardless of what the head-coach tries to do?

Let's hope so

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[Drop Kick]

I'm backing Cordy to play more games than Allison for the Saints in 2023.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[longlivelenny]

The one position in the backs that we lack is a big gorilla minder. Cordy is Battle, Sharman, Wilkie, Highmore size. He's coming into one position we have too many to fit in. It makes no sense apart from nailing Highmore's career shut. We'll probably play him forward though so pushes Sharman and Hayes out.

The idea that you need massively tall key backs is just not accurate. He is 195 and I would suggest he plays taller than battle.

No teams in the comp have 2 defenders above 195 that I can think of.

Geelong have one tall and a bunch of medium s. So do Carlton, Brisbane, Collingwood and Freo.

Sydney are all 194 or under.

What you really need is a gun interceptor and a lockdown defender + a team defence that minimizes the number of times an opposition player gets a 1v1 opportunity.

Hopefully cordy can be the lockdown and that opens up one of the others to be more attacking.

Personally I don't rate battle and would trade him out in a heartbeat if a good offer came along as he isn't great as a lockdown and is not a great interceptor. Unfortunately for him I think his best role would be the one membrey plays for us.



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[snails13]

“Put time into a kid”: Lloyd criticises St Kilda’s free agent signing

“I was surprised by it.”

www.sen.com.au

Lol..still salty from not being allowed to assist King.

Does he mean someone like Oscar Clavarino or Darragh Joyce

 

[CaptainRisky]

But just as a thought experiment, what if we hadn't brought Wood in and so we were slightly worse this year, lost one more game. We would have finished two positions lower on the ladder, instead of picks 9, 28, 47, 85 we'd have 7, 25, 45, 83. And instead of Wood playing 19 games those 19 games would have been spread between Connolly and Nas and Byrnes and Owens, so we'd have more info about all of them, more development there.

Which of those two is the better outcome?

Considering we missed finals anyway, probably better to not have Wood. I know that's not how the decision making can work but in hindsight I'm not sure what we gained.

Leo and Ryan didn't really deserve games and i doubt either makes it

 

[Armoooo]

Good deal for the lions IMO. I doubt they're holding onto the future 2nd, but in a stronger draft its worth about as much as the pick 15 on its own.

 

[longlivelenny]

Please answer the question. So according to you the Saints have GUARANTEED Cordy a starting position no matter what? So if doesn't need to earn his spot? Not fit enough after injury, no matter whack him straight back in?

Jesus Christ the crap you come up with .

Fact is Jones has rejoined the Bulldogs, Cordy is only a GoP he was offered 3 years over two so it increases his security AND he might think his chances of more seniors game time is better because of Jones arriving.

But to make up stuff about him being guaranteed a starting position now matter what is absolutely ludicrious, but then again you were the one that posted that Mitchell may get us in the 8 to save Ratten then in the next post you said the only way to attract good players was to make the 8.

Really you go from one crazy brain fart to the next.

It's can be a bit of in between.
My guess is that we told him we see him playing a certain role in the 22. He obviously liked the offer and took it.

Everyone in the team has to be fit enough and in form enough to play, there are never guarantees.

No need to fly off the handle over a technicality in someone's post.

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[bergholt]

Leo and Ryan didn't really deserve games and i doubt either makes it

Yeah but Leo didn't deserve games in 2021 either and when he came in he showed some signs. Agree on Byrnes. My only point is that if they played more games this year then we find out more about them and maybe we're in a position to move them on sooner, if we're convinced they're not going to make it. Which gives us a better chance of getting the next one who does.

 

[Joffaboy]

By all accounts Mason Wood step up a level when he moved to St Kilda , realized it was his last roll of the dice and has given it everything, becoming the best endurance runner at the club and does all the hard work for a wingman - plugging holes in defense and even hitting the scoreboard and is capable in the air.

He might not even play much next year , who knows but he has shown he can be more than useful and if only used as depth is more than worth having on the list.

Wish Clark had that attitude.

 

[saint66au]

With the signing of Zaine Cordy

21

Zaine Cordy

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

, St. Kilda have recruited a total of 48 premiership players from opposing clubs, the most in any club’s history.

 

[Nutsngum]

This is the shit that breaks the F/S/Academy and is a massive rort that should be removed immediatly. A club should at absolute minimum have a pick within the round theyre bidding in.

 

[gringo2011]

The idea that you need massively tall key backs is just not accurate. He is 195 and I would suggest he plays taller than battle.

No teams in the comp have 2 defenders above 195 that I can think of.

Geelong have one tall and a bunch of medium s. So do Carlton, Brisbane, Collingwood and Freo.

Sydney are all 194 or under.

What you really need is a gun interceptor and a lockdown defender + a team defence that minimizes the number of times an opposition player gets a 1v1 opportunity.

Hopefully cordy can be the lockdown and that opens up one of the others to be more attacking.

Personally I don't rate battle and would trade him out in a heartbeat if a good offer came along as he isn't great as a lockdown and is not a great interceptor. Unfortunately for him I think his best role would be the one membrey plays for us.



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That's true but just watched enough of his games to get the impression that he's not really a true key position back. He's a kind of spoiling unco looking dude who makes you stressed when he has the ball. The Dogs lack key defensive players more than we do. If they thought he was one I don't think he'd be on his way out. Hopefully I eat my words but we need a Harrison Petty type of big, solid one on one player like Nathan brown was more than a skinny athletic spoiler. To me he's most like Wilkie but a bit taller and a bit shitter. He looks like a guy who tries really hard at least.

 

[DougalHoward]

Geoff Walsh on trade radio now