Resource 2023 AFL Draft Discussion...

[Jeffcrowe]

Prefer Visentini

He’s got a brother in this years draft , prob slightly advanced as an 18 yo to the port one

Nice late / rookie option

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I dont like him either

He’s quite special

Go watch his Vic metro v WA game - one of the performances of the season from anyone

 

[Mostyn]

Tim Silvers basically said we're looking at taking only 2 or maybe 3 at a pinch in the AA interview I posted in the Thebby thread so it's pretty clear we'll be looking to trade up or into 2024.

Yeah, more than three picks seems very unlikely.

We will have quite a bit of flexibility around list structure, though - whatever we do, it'll be a conscious choice, for better or worse.

I want to see two early picks and something in the 20s, then I think we're done.

 

[GROTTO]

Pick 20. North will get compensation Pick 2 for McKay.

No they won't. Clubs will burn down AFL House if that happens.

North Melbourne are competitive, that's all that matters. The AFL doesn't need them to be successful, like they did GCS.

Dont worry you were not the only one that disagreed with me.

 

[Mostyn]

Dont worry you were not the only one that disagreed with me.

Yeah, that was depressing.

 

[GROTTO]

Yeah, that was depressing.

Trust me, I wish you were right. Brings me no satisfaction, its even more depressing that I got it right, I wish in this case I was wrong.

 

[dogs105]

Trust me, I wish you were right. Brings me no satisfaction, its even more depressing that I got it right, I wish in this case I was wrong.

Shit's ****ed man.

 

[jenny61_99]

yep

Holy guacamole!

 

[GROTTO]

Is Billy Willson the blonde absolutely jacked kid? Has Thomo like guns already?

yep

Holy guacamole!

Thats ridiculously strong. The amount of time and effort to develop a physique like that is insane.

I see kids at my gym that are almost as strong as this kid. 10 years ago, you never saw kids built like this at at the age of 17,18.

 

[jenny61_99]

Just shows he's gone the extra hard yards to give himself the best possible chance to get onto an AFL list. clubs will know if they draft him they'll get 100% buy in. Can play as well and tested very well at the Vic State Combine on Sunday

Where do you think he'll end up going? Top 10?

 

[jackster83]

Just shows he's gone the extra hard yards to give himself the best possible chance to get onto an AFL list. clubs will know if they draft him they'll get 100% buy in. Can play as well and tested very well at the Vic State Combine on Sunday

Can he actually play though?

Sam Kerridge had a build like that and we know how that turned out.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I've seen enough to know he's a very decent prospect as a very speedy and agile running back, a real metres gained type defender in that role and the Stingrays gave him midfield exposure partnering Harry DeMattia in there after representing VC at the Nationals in defence. In the few midfield games he played he definitely showed enough to suggest that he can play midfield with further development.

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Billy Wilson

Defender

182cm, 71kg

The 2023 riser for Vic Country, a halfback with excellent acceleration and accumulation, Wilson rebounds, gets high, and sets up forward thrusts.

He creates overlap, is generally clean, clears the backline well, his polish is reasonable, and his defensive skillset is developing. Is averaging a team-high 5.6 rebound 50s for the Rays as well as 20 disposals.

Has a good athletic base and well-built body, his form coming off the back of a strong preseason and 15 games of Talent League exposure in 2022.

Billy Wilson in action for the Dandenong Stingrays

Profile reads well. 10cm short.

 

[GROTTO]

Can he actually play though?

Sam Kerridge had a build like that and we know how that turned out.

Exactly, but then again Kerridge got his chance because of his athletic prowess, not exactly sure he would have in an earlier era based on his skills set.

 

[Big Dub]

Dont worry you were not the only one that disagreed with me.

Yeah, given the feedback from the league over their assistance package, I thought the AFL wouldn't give it. Until we got 19 for Doedee. No way they were going to give North the same compo as a non-vic team.

Still, while trying to trade up in the draft, would we rather 9 and 30 or 10 and 20, or is it a push?

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Courtesy of Rookie Me Central...

NATIONAL DRAFT COMBINE TOP 10s​

2km TIME TRIAL

Name	State	State League Club	Community Club	Result (min:sec)
Tarkyn O’Leary	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Parkdale Vultures	5:48
Darcy Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers	5:52
Ethan Read	QLD	GC Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin	5:56
Jordan Croft	VIC M	Calder Cannons	Maribyrnong Park	6:05
Caiden Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University	6:06
Aiden O’Driscoll	WA	Perth	Northam Saints	6:06
Archie Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers	6:08
Connor O’Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury	6:11
Joel Freijah	VIC C	GWV Rebels	Horsham Saints	6:13
Harvey Johnston	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Parkdale Vultures	6:17
Koltyn Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown Condingup	6:17

20m SPRINT

Name	State	State League Club	Community Club	Result (sec)
Aiden O’Driscoll	WA	Perth	Northam Saints	2.871
Will Graham	QLD	GC Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin	2.915
Caleb Windsor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	South Belgrave	2.916
Lance Collard	WA	Subiaco	North Beach	2.923
Kane McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta	2.930
Zane Zakostelsky	WA	Claremont	North Beach	2.954
Phoenix Gothard	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury	2.963
Taylor Goad	SA	South Adelaide	Willunga	2.965
Eion McElholm	Ireland	N/A	N/A	2.993
Harry DeMattia	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Edithvale-Aspendale	2.996

AGILITY TEST

Name	State	State League Club	Community Club	Result (sec)
Lance Collard	WA	Subiaco	North Beach	8.157
Koltyn Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown Condingup	8.194
Angus Hastie	VIC C	Geelong Falcons	Geelong West Giants	8.204
Bodie Ryan	SA	Glenelg	Brighton	8.208
Zane Zakostelsky	WA	Claremont	North Beach	8.233
Ashton Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton	8.244
Reece Torrent	WA	Peel Thunder	Halls Head	8.260
Darcy Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers	8.263
Aiden O’Driscoll	WA	Perth	Northam Saints	8.302
Nate Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat	8.331

STANDING VERTICAL JUMP

Name	State	State League Club	Community Club	Result (cm)
Zane Zakostelsky	WA	Claremont	North Beach	80
Phoenix Gothard	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury	78
Will Graham	QLD	GC Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin	78
Mitchell Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah	78
Kane McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta	77
Darcy Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers	76
Riley Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham	75
Jack Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella	74
Taylor Goad	SA	South Adelaide	Willunga	74
Aiden O’Driscoll	WA	Perth	Northam Saints	73
Caleb Windsor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	South Belgrave	73

RUNNING VERTICAL JUMP

Name	State	State League Club	Community Club	Result (cm)
Darcy Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers	98
Zane Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster	97
Will Graham	QLD	GC Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin	95
Kane McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta	95
Mitchell Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah	94
Zane Zakostelsky	WA	Claremont	North Beach	94
Aiden O’Driscoll	WA	Perth	Northam Saints	92
Caleb Windsor	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	South Belgrave	92
Riley Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham	91
Cooper Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mt Martha	90

Kane Mcauliffe with some consistent results - quick with a good leap

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Just shows he's gone the extra hard yards to give himself the best possible chance to get onto an AFL list. clubs will know if they draft him they'll get 100% buy in. Can play as well and tested very well at the Vic State Combine on Sunday

Be happy to grab him if he’s available in the rookie draft somehow

 

[crow2crow]

Can he actually play though?

Sam Kerridge had a build like that and we know how that turned out.

as did CEY after a year or so

 

[rabidcrow]

Darcy Wilson athletic traits were off the charts

Ethan Read breaking 6min 2km at 202cm is also insane and has never happened

Where will Collard go do you think. Read in one of the draft threads he is seen as a massive flight risk - smells like a West Coast Smokey to me


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[StonesThrow]

Still baffles me that this testing exists after watching them play all year.

 

[Golumless]

Still baffles me that this testing exists after watching them play all year.

My guess is it's a way to track if a lad is still physically developing as much as it is about traits - after all, most of the improvement being in the AFL would have is physical. On top of being a way to compensate if injuries are present and to judge how well a player is recovering.

The eyes can only tell you so much about a player.

 

[Crow_68]

Gold Coast don’t need too many more points to match bids on their 3 x academy players.

Let’s assume they are bid on at 2, 6, 12. Points required are 5,536, less 20% discount = 4,428.

They currently have 11, 18, 31, 37, 61, 65, 70, 73, total = 3,676 points.

Effectively, only now need to bring in an extra 752 points = pick 25.

Should be able to achieve that with a couple of trades (Chol, Burgess).

Unless we offer them 2024 picks, not sure we will have a shot at pick 11.

 

[All_In]

Gold Coast don’t need too many more points to match bids on their 3 x academy players.

Let’s assume they are bid on at 2, 6, 12. Points required are 5,536, less 20% discount = 4,428.

They currently have 11, 18, 31, 37, 61, 65, 70, 73, total = 3,676 points.

Effectively, only now need to bring in an extra 752 points = pick 25.

Should be able to achieve that with a couple of trades (Chol, Burgess).

Unless we offer them 2024 picks, not sure we will have a shot at pick 11.

They have four as I understand it.

 

[StonesThrow]

My guess is it's a way to track if a lad is still physically developing as much as it is about traits - after all, most of the improvement being in the AFL would have is physical. On top of being a way to compensate if injuries are present and to judge how well a player is recovering.

The eyes can only tell you so much about a player.

Recovering players don't test do they? Don't clubs also do their own doctors exams on players?

I feel like after years of looking at these results, they often don't translate to what you end up seeing on the football field (except for the obvious ones).

 

[Big Dub]

Gold Coast don’t need too many more points to match bids on their 3 x academy players.

Let’s assume they are bid on at 2, 6, 12. Points required are 5,536, less 20% discount = 4,428.

They currently have 11, 18, 31, 37, 61, 65, 70, 73, total = 3,676 points.

Effectively, only now need to bring in an extra 752 points = pick 25.

Should be able to achieve that with a couple of trades (Chol, Burgess).

Unless we offer them 2024 picks, not sure we will have a shot at pick 11.

To use all of those picks, Gold Coast would need to bring 8 open main list spots into the draft. I can't see them taking more than 6 in, possibly 5.

Assuming it's 6 spots, their top 6 picks provide 3,628 points against a need of 4,941 (6,176 less 20% discount) based on bids at 2, 6 and 12.

If we trade them 20 and 23 for 11 (and they lose the use of 65), they get to 3,936 points. If we add 26 (and they lose 61) it gets them to 4,530. That's probably close enough if one of their picks slips a spot or 2. 20, 23 and 26 is a lot for 11 and Burgess, but if we aren't using a third pick, then it doesn't really matter. Maybe they give us a future 3rd back.

OR, they can wait until draft night and trade picks without losing their back end picks. Which would add another 225 points.

 

[George Kramer]

To use all of those picks, Gold Coast would need to bring 8 open main list spots into the draft. I can't see them taking more than 6 in, possibly 5.

Assuming it's 6 spots, their top 6 picks provide 3,628 points against a need of 4,941 (6,176 less 20% discount) based on bids at 2, 6 and 12.

If we trade them 20 and 23 for 11 (and they lose the use of 65), they get to 3,936 points. If we add 26 (and they lose 61) it gets them to 4,530. That's probably close enough if one of their picks slips a spot or 2. 20, 23 and 26 is a lot for 11 and Burgess, but if we aren't using a third pick, then it doesn't really matter. Maybe they give us a future 3rd back.

OR, they can wait until draft night and trade picks without losing their back end picks. Which would add another 225 points.

Doesn’t sound like they are waiting for draft night as their list manager said they are talking to us about pick swaps and Burgess was part of that